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I was told by a non believer that I should not be "so meek"

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I was told by a non believer that I should not be "so meek".
Someone I was talking to like a friend, that we shared issues with, trying to assist another.
End up as someone trying to control and I stood up setting boundaries to which they did NOT like.
Ended there. But she said early on " I shouldn`t be so meek" not explaining, but I am in the understanding how Jesus wants us to be, as one that does not flare up but patience in God and a gentle soul.
It just shocked me that she said that I was like what how can you speak against the Lord how He wants me to be
 

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Why would you expect a nonbeliever to validate things of God? They’re unsaved and view life from that lens. It‘s unrealistic. Some people may believe differently and their feelings for you compel them to look beyond themselves and be accepting of your differences. Others are less accommodating in certain areas. Most notably religion and politics in this age.

The more you care about someone the more likely you’ll focus on common ground than not. I would be more discriminating with my friendships and let people show you who they are before a bond is forged.

~bella
 
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Why would you expect a nonbeliever to validate things of God? They’re unsaved and view life from that lens. It‘s unrealistic. Some people may believe differently and their feelings for you compel them to look beyond themselves and be accepting of your differences. Others are less accommodating in certain areas. Most notably religion and politics in this age.

The more you care about someone the more likely you’ll focus on common ground than not. I would be more discriminating with my friendships and let people show you who they are before a bond is forged.

~bella
well we did have things in common, and as "being loving to everyone " thing. Not a uh we cannot be friends kinda thing. It just shocked me, it`s normal to me and I was like getting it thrown in the face almost like saying do not be like God!
 
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I was told by a non believer that I should not be "so meek".
Someone I was talking to like a friend, that we shared issues with, trying to assist another.
End up as someone trying to control and I stood up setting boundaries to which they did NOT like.
Ended there. But she said early on " I shouldn`t be so meek" not explaining, but I am in the understanding how Jesus wants us to be, as one that does not flare up but patience in God and a gentle soul.
It just shocked me that she said that I was like what how can you speak against the Lord how He wants me to be
There are two kinds of meekness.
One is meekness towards God and His Lordship.
The other is submission to this world's ethics and norms.
It sounds like your friend got just what they wanted, someone who wouldn't be cowed into someone else's frame of mind.
 
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A worldly person can say not to be meek so the person can get you to argue and struggle with the person. And then the person can get control of you and possess you. Arguing can get us weak and hurt so we go along with worldly people, and we might try to use immoral and other pleasures to make us feel better.
 
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I was told by a non believer that I should not be "so meek".
Someone I was talking to like a friend, that we shared issues with, trying to assist another.
End up as someone trying to control and I stood up setting boundaries to which they did NOT like.
Ended there. But she said early on " I shouldn`t be so meek" not explaining, but I am in the understanding how Jesus wants us to be, as one that does not flare up but patience in God and a gentle soul.
It just shocked me that she said that I was like what how can you speak against the Lord how He wants me to be
Are you sure they were not encouraging you to be more assertive?
 
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I was told by a non believer that I should not be "so meek".
I've been told by "believers" that I shouldn't be "so opinionated." Everybody always has an opinion. Not everybody has an opinion you should value or listen to.

Be meek. Be opinionated. Be whatever the situation calls for. Let them worry about figuring themselves out before they take on telling you how you to be.
 
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I was told by a non believer that I should not be "so meek".
Someone I was talking to like a friend, that we shared issues with, trying to assist another.
End up as someone trying to control and I stood up setting boundaries to which they did NOT like.
Ended there. But she said early on " I shouldn`t be so meek" not explaining, but I am in the understanding how Jesus wants us to be, as one that does not flare up but patience in God and a gentle soul.
It just shocked me that she said that I was like what how can you speak against the Lord how He wants me to be
You didn’t give us much context about this conversation, but in saying you shouldn’t be so meek, I would imagine a non believer is not speaking from a biblical point of view. They may have used the word meek as meaning at a disadvantage in your situation. Maybe advice to stand up for yourself?
 
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I was told by a non believer that I should not be "so meek".
Someone I was talking to like a friend, that we shared issues with, trying to assist another.
End up as someone trying to control and I stood up setting boundaries to which they did NOT like.
Ended there. But she said early on " I shouldn`t be so meek" not explaining, but I am in the understanding how Jesus wants us to be, as one that does not flare up but patience in God and a gentle soul.
It just shocked me that she said that I was like what how can you speak against the Lord how He wants me to be

If she's a 'non-believer,' it's my guess that she thinks that Jesus' teaching can get in the way of firmly advocating for what she thinks are the most relevant social priorities.

Of course, being that we live in an ongoing dynamic of time, you can still go ask her point-blank as to what she was intending to mean by her comment about your being "too meek." Maybe go ask her for further clarification?
 
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You didn’t give us much context about this conversation, but in saying you shouldn’t be so meek, I would imagine a non believer is not speaking from a biblical point of view. They may have used the word meek as meaning at a disadvantage in your situation. Maybe advice to stand up for yourself?
The things we were talking about and how I even stood up to her in attempt to control and go against my free will she should have seen I am far capable of standing up for myself, in a good way I have to say. Not in a negative way. Just assertive. We don`t speak anymore, as she tried to control me one time too many. Press new age on me as well. I said do not push me, and it ended with that. Clearly attempts to control. Totally opposite ended up in not respecting beliefs. My way or the highway person. It was said randomly, not connected to a topic. And as she knew I could stand up for myself it was not about that either
 
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I've been told by "believers" that I shouldn't be "so opinionated." Everybody always has an opinion. Not everybody has an opinion you should value or listen to.

Be meek. Be opinionated. Be whatever the situation calls for. Let them worry about figuring themselves out before they take on telling you how you to be.
Well I stick out everywhere on all ends. I am from Scandinavia where women are free spirit,strong minds, and it is seen as normal that both men and women express their opinions without a problem. As well as being assertive. As well as just being yourself. Meaning, how you chose to be, natural, no masks etc. It is normal. It is a human right. we are very humanitarian. I am deep, quirky, introspective, ambivert. Very much into psychology and know myself. So yes those who prefer to keep a mask and pretense won`t like it. But same time I am very gentle, very compassionate and empathic. I help people. Never think of myself first it has always been that way. I am that age now I don`t care much what other people think. Let them. Let them miss out. Don`t need falsity. I am authentic. I have helped many people.
 
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You didn’t give us much context about this conversation, but in saying you shouldn’t be so meek, I would imagine a non believer is not speaking from a biblical point of view. They may have used the word meek as meaning at a disadvantage in your situation. Maybe advice to stand up for yourself?
I did not give as much context as I would like as she is a new ager and things would get misunderstood and confused and worse. I kept away from that thinking you can still talk, but .. the force ..no.
 
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You didn’t give us much context about this conversation, but in saying you shouldn’t be so meek, I would imagine a non believer is not speaking from a biblical point of view. They may have used the word meek as meaning at a disadvantage in your situation. Maybe advice to stand up for yourself?
It shocked me and I was like, what? when she said it and without context.
 
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A worldly person can say not to be meek so the person can get you to argue and struggle with the person. And then the person can get control of you and possess you. Arguing can get us weak and hurt so we go along with worldly people, and we might try to use immoral and other pleasures to make us feel better.
seeing the aftermath and how she did try to press her wants and beliefs and really used force despite me had asked her never to push me, you are most likely right. It did not work though. I stood up.
 
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seeing the aftermath and how she did try to press her wants and beliefs and really used force despite me had asked her never to push me, you are most likely right. It did not work though. I stood up.
I did not even argue, I am not a person that argue I am more assertive. So I stated you push me don`t do this and you do this stop this. Then more push and I just finished the conversation there
 
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There are two kinds of meekness.
One is meekness towards God and His Lordship.
The other is submission to this world's ethics and norms.
It sounds like your friend got just what they wanted, someone who wouldn't be cowed into someone else's frame of mind.
That have never worked with me. Not even when things have been severely bad. I am very much a respect thoughts feelings and wants of anyone including myself. Coming from a society focused on humanitarian equality and all that it is quite natural. It is my hard boundaries something I would never back from. And especially even more when it comes to God. It does not mean I am not gentle. I am from nature gentle and empathic. But I did warn her from the beginning because she claimed she could help with things. (I won`t go into it it is about psychology and stuff) so i told her, never push me. And I told her why. So of course it happened. Not one that tried to cross like that ever not even during my childhood abuse managed to cross that. And they tried. Just another reason. And it is human rights. God never does it he is a gentleman. She refused to not and wanted to enforce new age beliefs. Then it is hasta la vista sayonara
 
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That have never worked with me. Not even when things have been severely bad. I am very much a respect thoughts feelings and wants of anyone including myself. Coming from a society focused on humanitarian equality and all that it is quite natural. It is my hard boundaries something I would never back from. And especially even more when it comes to God. It does not mean I am not gentle. I am from nature gentle and empathic. But I did warn her from the beginning because she claimed she could help with things. (I won`t go into it it is about psychology and stuff) so i told her, never push me. And I told her why. So of course it happened. Not one that tried to cross like that ever not even during my childhood abuse managed to cross that. And they tried. Just another reason. And it is human rights. God never does it he is a gentleman. She refused to not and wanted to enforce new age beliefs. Then it is hasta la vista sayonara
Now had it really truly been about what God wants it would have been a totally another story. But she was a new ager. we shared a broken childhood and she was not even healed herself and struggled. I helped her, and she claim she could help me. with some psychological stuff. Now I know a lot of psychology and I could clearly see my wounds are more of missing what i did not have like people who cares, as I had no one. It is not as much about attachement styles anymore or even other things,I could tell. I have done a lot of work. I am like if there is something I will work with it. But her wounds were much more severe and more obvious to me, that needed therapy. It was not something I could fix there and then. But I could see it. Yet, she thought I was on the same page and wanted to fix me,when I did not even need fixing. it can go that way, when one is hurting. But same time she was a dominating person.
 
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You were responding to a strawman to begin with so no matter how you answered it this was going to be seen through the lens of egalitarianis. Which is usually the worldview through which modern ideology sees equality and submission. Any submission is seen as bowing down according to relationships based on pwer.

Whereas Peter teaches and the Christian disposition in Christ is not about power in the first place. Or at least is not seen entirely through the lens of power. So its really a misrepresentation of the Christian position.

It also depends on the games people are playing. Like I said the misrepresentations, appeals to emotion, ect and in that sense a Christian has to play it by ear depending on the situation.

Technically I think the spirit of Peters teachings that Christians should submit to rulers and even servants to masters even if they are unjust is not about power or being a doormat.

Rather fundementally I think its the disposition of being Christlike that even though the person may be using falsehoods or being cruel and unjust that without a word being said the Christlike obedience and purity which is very hard to deny and argue against with any rationalisation. Is itself the powerful arguement.

But this never means that Peter was saying we must just allow that cruelty, misrepresentation or injustice go unsaid. It will depend on the situation because I think there are many situations where its best to actually say nothing. Or that this is their view or beliefs and disagree and leave the example and God to do the rest. That is premised on that you are trying to live the example of Christs submission which is not about power.

But Peter also says this in 1 Peter 2 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorance of foolish men. So the example of Christ without words can alone silence or expose the ignorance and foolishness. Even if the arguements sound good.

Then Peter says 16 Live in freedom, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God.

So despite the Christlike servant like disposition Peter is saying this is actually freedom which would sound contradictory to egalitarianism. But he is also saying don't cover-up for evil. So it seems there is this balance between living the Christlike disposition and knowing when and what to say to not allow an evil or wrong to go unsaid,

I think generally debates and arguements fall into the first which is to say nothing or little. But its understandable and easy for Christians to get into arguements especially with non Christians like on this forum lol. But its really designed for that and I don't think reflects real life too much. Though it can sometimes and this seems to be increasing.

So I would say just knowing that in the end its not really the words but the example of quiet, humble, servant like disposition in Christ that is more powerful if we want to convince someone of truth. I would say then if we are living that disposition and really we transform and get wiser. But if we aim for this then our words even if little will have much more power.

That doesn't mean that this is the knock out words that will win a debate as opposing opinions are really beliefs as well which cannot be defeated by rationality.

But I don't think we should back down or allow an obvious misrepresentation to happen especially if its between Christians on the truth of scriptures. I think then the only reply is to use scripture as the basis and in that way it brings things back to Christs truth and we know that there is such a truth to be found in scripture as God is not one of confusion and disorder and that this is the only truth, As Paul said use Gods word and spirit like a sword, The Armor of God.
 
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