The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant

[BobRyan]

The Ten Commandments were given exclusively to Israel.

Until you read the actual Bible in places like Mark 2:27 to see what was "made for mankind"
And Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth

 

[BobRyan]

You’ll have to prove that using the Pauline epistles specifically,

"All scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine" according to Paul

since what St. Paul wrote is part of the New Testamen

I don't have a problem with Paul - he affirms ALL of scripture.

 

[The Liturgist]

"All scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine" according to Paul

I don't have a problem with Paul - he affirms ALL of scripture.

Good.

 

[timothyu]

"All scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine" according to Paul

Which at the time was the Torah. The foundation for not only the coming of the messiah, but what Jesus taught.

 

[timothyu]

hmm -- you admit that it was a sin even for Adam to do it - even though it is not quoted at all until Exodus 20 and is not quoted at all in the entire NT..

Adam was well before the Noahide 'laws' but Genesis clearly states he and Eve took God's name in vain when they put their will ahead of His, the original sin.

 

[Studyman]

You have convinced yourself that the way you reinterpret scripture is the only way, so anyone else's comments are automatically wrong. That is a dangerous position to take.

That is truly what you do on this forum. And when your adopted philosophy is challenged with actual Scriptures, and you are asked relevant questions concerning the difference between what the religious sect you have adopted teaches, and what the Scriptures actually say, to refuse to answer the questions. But when you ask me questions about my understanding, I answer you, not with my own words, but with the Scriptures that led me to my understanding. I am happy to discuss what is written.

But you don't do that Bob, in your religion, if I don't agree with your words, I am wrong. And the Scriptures have nothing to do with it at all.

The mainstream preachers of Jesus Time did the same exact thing. Jesus challenged their religious philosophy by showing them what was actually written. The reason why they didn't believe Him, is not because HIS Words didn't aligned with Moses and the Prophets, but because to believe Him, would mean the exposure of their man-made religion, with their man-made judgments, and their man-made high days etc.

I am convinced that the Holy Scriptures are trustworthy for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The religious system of this world, promotes the judgments, high days, commandments and Sabbaths of men, just as the rebellious Jews did.

I don't believe I'm better than the rebellious Jews, as Paul points out in Romans 3. If I live in rebellion to God's Word, I will receive the same reward from God promised to every man who lives in rebellion to God.

Many, "who come in Christ's Name", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, promote the teaching that a man can rebel against God's judgments and commandments, as long as they call Jesus Lord, Lord.

I find zero evidence of this popular religious philosophy in the Holy Scriptures, and make this known to others on this forum, in God's Love.

Jesus said these things may not be well received.

 

[Bob S]

Bob S said:
The Ten Commandments were given exclusively to Israel.

Until you read the actual Bible in places like Mark 2:27 to see what was "made for mankind"
And Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth

As believers, set free in Christ, we are not judged by whether or not we keep the Sabbath day (Colossians 2:16). Instead, we follow the Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus Christ. We find our rest in Him, and seven days a week are filled with worship of Him.

If the Sabbath was made for everyone, why is it that early historians never recorded anyone observing it? Weren't the disciples commissioned to spread the good news to the World? Why didn't they teach all of those they converted to observe the Sabbath? Why did Paul write in Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.?????

It is so clear that Jesus isn't interested in us keeping ritual days. What He is interested in is our ability to do unto others as He has done for us. Jesus said:
Matthew 25:45
Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Yep, according to Is 66 I will keep the Sabbath, and according to Is 65, then I will die.

 

[Bob S]

That is truly what you do on this forum. And when your adopted philosophy is challenged with actual Scriptures, and you are asked relevant questions concerning the difference between what the religious sect you have adopted teaches, and what the Scriptures actually say, to refuse to answer the questions. But when you ask me questions about my understanding, I answer you, not with my own words, but with the Scriptures that led me to my understanding. I am happy to discuss what is written.

But you don't do that Bob, in your religion, if I don't agree with your words, I am wrong. And the Scriptures have nothing to do with it at all.

The mainstream preachers of Jesus Time did the same exact thing. Jesus challenged their religious philosophy by showing them what was actually written. The reason why they didn't believe Him, is not because HIS Words didn't aligned with Moses and the Prophets, but because to believe Him, would mean the exposure of their man-made religion, with their man-made judgments, and their man-made high days etc.

I am convinced that the Holy Scriptures are trustworthy for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The religious system of this world, promotes the judgments, high days, commandments and Sabbaths of men, just as the rebellious Jews did.

I don't believe I'm better than the rebellious Jews, as Paul points out in Romans 3. If I live in rebellion to God's Word, I will receive the same reward from God promised to every man who lives in rebellion to God.

Many, "who come in Christ's Name", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, promote the teaching that a man can rebel against God's judgments and commandments, as long as they call Jesus Lord, Lord.

I find zero evidence of this popular religious philosophy in the Holy Scriptures, and make this known to others on this forum, in God's Love.

Jesus said these things may not be well received.

Why do you keep insisting I belong to a religious sect? My beliefs come directly from the scriptures I quote. I don't observe the Jewish Sabbath because scripture tells me I am not subject to the laws of the Old Covenant. Actually, they are not either. Jesus ended the laws of the Sinai covenant at Calvary. Col 2:16 tells me not to allow you to put me under the laws of the Sinai Covenant

 

[Studyman]

Why do you keep insisting I belong to a religious sect? My beliefs come directly from the scriptures I quote. I don't observe the Jewish Sabbath because scripture tells me I am not subject to the laws of the Old Covenant.

No, the Scriptures doesn't teach you that. I have posted for you the very Word's of the Holy One of Israel who defined HIS own New covenant for you, and you reject His Words in favor of your own religious philosophy. The religious sect you have adopted teaches you to do that, not the Word of God. The religious sect you adopted before that, taught you other philosophies, if you had adopted the JW you would be promoting their religious philosophies.

The Spirit of the Christ who created, sanctified and made Holy His Sabbath, is not a "Jewish Spirit". But your region teaches you that it is.

You are free to peddle your religion, just as the Pharisees were free to peddle theirs. But Jesus said to "Live By" Every Word of God, not Calvin or Wesley or White.

Actually, they are not either. Jesus ended the laws of the Sinai covenant at Calvary. Col 2:16 tells me not to allow you to put me under the laws of the Sinai Covenant

No, that is what your religion teaches. Here is what Paul teaches.

Col. 2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition "of men", after the rudiments "of the world", and not after Christ.

You have adopted and are now preaching to others that The Christ, the Holy One of Israel, who became flesh and Blood in the person of Jesus, created "Vain deceit", "Traditions of men" and "Rudiments of this world", and then instructed His People to walk in them, and when HE became a man, He walked in them, Paul walked in them, the Body of Christ walked in them. The Spirit of Christ who created these "Sayings" was not a man or a Jew, but a Spirit of God. That isn't "my interpretation", it's undeniable Biblical Truth.

Paul tells those faithful Colossians who have "Yielded Themselves" servants to obey this Christ, whose Words are Spirit and Life, those who "Offer themselves" a living sacrifice to this Christ, Holy, Acceptable to Him, which is simply their reasonable service, the following in Col. 2:16.

16 Let "no man" therefore judge "you" (Faithful Colossians) in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow "of things to come"; but the body is "of Christ". (Not Baptists, not JW's, not Methodist, not SDA, not Mormons, etc., etc., those who "Yield themselves" to this Christ, is the Body of Christ".

The high days created by your religious sect to walk in are shadows of nothing, they are ancient traditions of men warned about by the Christ "of the Bible", as HE did through Jer. 10.

18 Let no man "beguile you" of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

20 Wherefore "if ye be dead with Christ" from the rudiments "of the world", why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Bob, you are free to adopt the philosophies of whatever sect you want. But the Christ's Judgments, Commandments, Statutes and commandments are not "Commandments or Traditions of men" and they are not "Rudiments of this world".

Your high days, your judgments, your statutes promoted by this world's religious system "who call Jesus Lord, Lord", are "Rudiments of this world and traditions of men".

Paul is telling those Gentiles who submitted to God's Righteousness like the Church of God in Acts 2, not to let the "Other voice" in the garden God placed them in, turn them away from the Way of the Lord" like they turn Eve away.

I can't stop you from preaching that the Righteousness of the Holy One of Israel, the Rock, are worthless Jewish traditions, beggarly elements of this world, and a yoke of Bondage. But I can point out His Word that exposes such a religious philosophy as from below and not above.

 

[BobRyan]

Bob S said:
The Ten Commandments were given exclusively to Israel.

The Ten Commandments were given exclusively to Israel.

Until you read the actual Bible in places like Mark 2:27 to see what was "made for mankind" -- scripture says it is "the Sabbath"

And Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" - for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth

As believers, set free in Christ

Not "set free from those scriptures " in Christ however.

Your dismissal of Christ's teaching in Mark 2:27 using the phrase above - is not reasoning from those texts - but in spite of them

, we are not judged by whether or not we keep the Sabbath day

only in the same sense as --- we are not judge by whether or not we take God's name in vain.

Do you realize that?

It means that your statement is on shaky ground.

(Colossians 2:16).

Col 2 16 is referencing the errors of the gnostics and as we all know the Ten Commandments are not the product of Christian gnostics in the first century.

Instead, we follow the Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus Christ.

Jesus' custom was to attend Sabbath services in the Synagogues according to the Gospels

We find our rest in Him, and seven days a week are filled with worship of Him.

Is it your claim that God's Sabbath commandment was in the form "do not worship Me six days each week"??
have you thought your arguments through??

If the Sabbath was made for everyone,

Jesus said "the Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27

And your response is of the form "if Jesus' statement were true then..."

have you thought your arguments through??

why is it that early historians never recorded anyone observing it?

Why is it there is no "do not take God's name in vain" commandment in all of the NT and not found in scripture before Exodus 20?

Is it because it is ok to take God's name in vain?

have you thought your arguments through??

Weren't the disciples commissioned to spread the good news to the World? Why didn't they teach all of those they converted to observe the Sabbath?

Because they are teaching them the gospel "Every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 -- even outside of Israel - teaching both gentiles and Jews "every Sabbath".

So much so that in Acts 13 - gentiles wait for the Jews to leave the synagogue then go to Paul and ask for MORE Gospel preaching to be scheduled for them "the next Sabbath"

Clearly you are not reading the material found in scripture on this subject outside of a few snips.

Consider being open to the topic.

Why did Paul write in Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.?????

1. The Col 2 is addressed to the errors of gnostic Christians who taught the "worship of angels" and the "traditions of men" instead of scripture.
2. In Mark 7 before the cross - Jesus' teaching was "judge not that you be not judged" -- it did not change in Col 2.

Yep, according to Is 66 I will keep the Sabbath, and according to Is 65, then I will die.

If that is your argument for dismissing scripture it falls flat for those who actually read Is 66 and Is 65.
Isaiah 66 tells you the context for vs 23 is "the New Heavens and the New Earth"

No such context is given for your Isaiah 65 statement which you would know had you read both chapters fully before posting that comparison.

You need to embrace the text - rather than isolate and snip.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: "All scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine" according to Paul

Which at the time was the Torah. The foundation for not only the coming of the messiah, but what Jesus taught.

agreed -

But Paul included more than the Torah - as scripture - the inspired Word of God

Heb 3:
6 but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house—whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.
7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,

“Today if you hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tried Me by testing Me,
And saw My works for forty years... (Ps 95:7-10 -- David's writing)

He includes the entire OT.

And also NT teaching as we see in 1 Thess 2:13 "For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe"

Torah is just the first 5 books of the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

Adam was well before the Noahide 'laws' but Genesis clearly states he and Eve took God's name in vain when they put their will ahead of His, the original sin.

I don't see any text saying "Adam took My name in vain" or "Do not take My name in vain" before Exodus 20.

My point is not that this is ok - just that we all know it is a sin EVEN though it is not quoted before Ex 20.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The Ten Commandments were given exclusively to Israel. The remainder of the World's population had rules of some kind. Since the Jews did not have the laws of the Sinai Covenant until Moses went up on Mt Sinai and received them, they had some laws they abided by, as did the remainder of the World. Noah received instructions from God on how to do certain things. 12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.

The covenant made with Noah and the one made with Abraham are the covenants given to Gentiles. There were no Israelites at that time. The covenant made with Israel was exclusively made for Israel.

As far as how the Jews are able to believe Gentiles had seven rules to live by, I guess we can take it or leave it.

Paul sent to the gentiles did write in Ephesians 6:1–3 instructs Gentile Christians in Ephesus to honor their parents, citing the 5th Commandment directly.

“Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. ‘Honor your father and mother,’ which is the first commandment with promise: ‘that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth.’”

if this is not proof enough I do not know what is? capiche?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

here is a rewritten augmented text of the opening post so we may all keep on track and not divert from the subject of the validity of the Ten Commandments, the Moral law, described by God as the Covenant.

To address whether Jesus taught the Ten Commandments and whether they remain valid, we’ll examine His teachings in the New Testament (NKJV) and complement them with Old Testament scriptures, focusing on the Ten Commandments as given in Exodus 20:1–17 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21. The argument is that Jesus affirmed the commandments’ moral principles, reinforcing their enduring validity, supported by His words and Old Testament context.

Jesus Teaching the Ten Commandments
Jesus explicitly referenced and upheld the Ten Commandments in His teachings, particularly in the Gospels, emphasizing their moral and spiritual significance. Here are key instances:

1. The Rich Young Ruler (Matthew 19:16–22, Mark 10:17–22, Luke 18:18–23)
In Matthew 19:16–19 (NKJV), a young man asks Jesus, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” Jesus responds, “But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” When asked, “Which ones?” Jesus lists several from the Ten Commandments:
- “You shall not murder” (6th, Exodus 20:13)
- “You shall not commit adultery” (7th, Exodus 20:14)
- “You shall not steal” (8th, Exodus 20:15)
- “You shall not bear false witness” (9th, Exodus 20:16)
- “Honor your father and your mother” (5th, Exodus 20:12)
- And adds, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18), tying the commandments to love.

This shows Jesus directly affirming the commandments as a path to eternal life, focusing on the moral laws governing human relationships.​

2. The Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:17–20)

Jesus declares, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17, NKJV). He continues, “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (5:18). This demonstrates the enduring validity of the Ten Commandments, as Jesus came to fulfill their deeper intent. He then expounds on specific commandments:​

Murder (6th Commandment): In Matthew 5:21–22, Jesus intensifies “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13), teaching that anger and insults violate its spirit.​

Adultery (7th Commandment): In Matthew 5:27–28, He expands “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:14) to include lustful thoughts, emphasizing internal purity.​

Jesus doesn’t abolish the commandments but deepens their application, showing their ongoing relevance.

3. The Greatest Commandment (Matthew 22:35–40, Mark 12:28–31)
When asked about the greatest commandment, Jesus says, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets” (Matthew 22:37–40, NKJV, quoting Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18).
The first four commandments (Exodus 20:3–11) focus on loving God (no other gods, no idols, not taking God’s name in vain, keeping the Sabbath), while the last six (Exodus 20:12–17) address loving others (honoring parents, no murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, or coveting). Jesus summarizes the Ten Commandments under love, affirming their foundational role.

4. Other Teachings
In Matthew 15:19–20, Jesus lists:" For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander. among sins defiling a person, echoing Exodus 20:13-16.
Honoring Parents (5th Commandment)**: In Mark 7:9–13, Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for neglecting “Honor your father and your mother” (Exodus 20:12) by prioritizing tradition over God’s command.

Old Testament Context (NKJV)

The Ten Commandments, given in Exodus 20:1–17 and reiterated in Deuteronomy 5:6–21, form the core of God’s covenant with Israel. Key Old Testament passages affirm their enduring moral weight:
Deuteronomy 4:13–14: “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.”
Psalm 119:97–98 “Oh, how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day. You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies.”
Isaiah 42:21: “The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will exalt the law and make it honorable,” pointing to the Law’s enduring honor, fulfilled in Christ.

Validity of the Ten Commandments Today

Jesus’ teachings confirm the commandments’ ongoing relevance, not as a means of salvation but as a guide for righteous living:

Moral Continuity: In Matthew 5:17–18, Jesus affirms the Law’s permanence until “heaven and earth pass away.” Since this hasn’t occurred, the ten commandments, called the moral law remain.

Fulfillment, Not Abolition: Jesus fulfills the Law by embodying its intent (e.g., perfect love) and providing grace, but this doesn’t nullify its moral standards (Romans 3:31: “Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law”).

New Covenant Application: While ceremonial and civil aspects of the Mosaic Law (e.g., sacrifices) are fulfilled in Christ (Hebrews 10:1–10), the moral law, encapsulated in the Ten Commandments, persists as a reflection of God’s character. Romans 13:8–10 (NKJV) echoes this: “He who loves another has fulfilled the law,” listing commandments like “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” and others, tying them to love.


Grace vs. Law: While salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9), the commandments guide Christian conduct (1 John 5:3: “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome”).


Jesus taught and affirmed the Ten Commandments, explicitly citing them (Matthew 19:16–19), deepening their application (Matthew 5:17–28), and summarizing them under love (Matthew 22:37–40). Old Testament scriptures (Exodus 20, Deuteronomy 5, Psalm 119) establish their divine origin and enduring value. The commandments remain valid as moral standards for ALL believers, fulfilled in Christ’s love and grace, guiding righteous living in the New Covenant.

 

[Canuckster]

here is a rewritten augmented text of the opening post so we may all keep on track and not divert from the subject of the validity of the Ten Commandments, the Moral law, described by God as the Covenant.

To address whether Jesus taught the Ten Commandments and whether they remain valid, we’ll examine His teachings in the New Testament (NKJV) and complement them with Old Testament scriptures, focusing on the Ten Commandments as given in Exodus 20:1–17 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21. The argument is that Jesus affirmed the commandments’ moral principles, reinforcing their enduring validity, supported by His words and Old Testament context.

Jesus Teaching the Ten Commandments
Jesus explicitly referenced and upheld the Ten Commandments in His teachings, particularly in the Gospels, emphasizing their moral and spiritual significance. Here are key instances:

1. The Rich Young Ruler (Matthew 19:16–22, Mark 10:17–22, Luke 18:18–23)
In Matthew 19:16–19 (NKJV), a young man asks Jesus, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” Jesus responds, “But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” When asked, “Which ones?” Jesus lists several from the Ten Commandments:
- “You shall not murder” (6th, Exodus 20:13)
- “You shall not commit adultery” (7th, Exodus 20:14)
- “You shall not steal” (8th, Exodus 20:15)
- “You shall not bear false witness” (9th, Exodus 20:16)
- “Honor your father and your mother” (5th, Exodus 20:12)
- And adds, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18), tying the commandments to love.

This shows Jesus directly affirming the commandments as a path to eternal life, focusing on the moral laws governing human relationships.​

2. The Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:17–20)

Jesus declares, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17, NKJV). He continues, “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (5:18). This demonstrates the enduring validity of the Ten Commandments, as Jesus came to fulfill their deeper intent. He then expounds on specific commandments:​

Murder (6th Commandment): In Matthew 5:21–22, Jesus intensifies “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13), teaching that anger and insults violate its spirit.​

Adultery (7th Commandment): In Matthew 5:27–28, He expands “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:14) to include lustful thoughts, emphasizing internal purity.​

Jesus doesn’t abolish the commandments but deepens their application, showing their ongoing relevance.

3. The Greatest Commandment (Matthew 22:35–40, Mark 12:28–31)
When asked about the greatest commandment, Jesus says, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets” (Matthew 22:37–40, NKJV, quoting Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18).
The first four commandments (Exodus 20:3–11) focus on loving God (no other gods, no idols, not taking God’s name in vain, keeping the Sabbath), while the last six (Exodus 20:12–17) address loving others (honoring parents, no murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, or coveting). Jesus summarizes the Ten Commandments under love, affirming their foundational role.

4. Other Teachings
In Matthew 15:19–20, Jesus lists:" For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander. among sins defiling a person, echoing Exodus 20:13-16.
Honoring Parents (5th Commandment)**: In Mark 7:9–13, Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for neglecting “Honor your father and your mother” (Exodus 20:12) by prioritizing tradition over God’s command.

Old Testament Context (NKJV)

The Ten Commandments, given in Exodus 20:1–17 and reiterated in Deuteronomy 5:6–21, form the core of God’s covenant with Israel. Key Old Testament passages affirm their enduring moral weight:
Deuteronomy 4:13–14: “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.”
Psalm 119:97–98 “Oh, how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day. You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies.”
Isaiah 42:21: “The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will exalt the law and make it honorable,” pointing to the Law’s enduring honor, fulfilled in Christ.

Validity of the Ten Commandments Today

Jesus’ teachings confirm the commandments’ ongoing relevance, not as a means of salvation but as a guide for righteous living:

Moral Continuity: In Matthew 5:17–18, Jesus affirms the Law’s permanence until “heaven and earth pass away.” Since this hasn’t occurred, the ten commandments, called the moral law remain.

Fulfillment, Not Abolition: Jesus fulfills the Law by embodying its intent (e.g., perfect love) and providing grace, but this doesn’t nullify its moral standards (Romans 3:31: “Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law”).

New Covenant Application: While ceremonial and civil aspects of the Mosaic Law (e.g., sacrifices) are fulfilled in Christ (Hebrews 10:1–10), the moral law, encapsulated in the Ten Commandments, persists as a reflection of God’s character. Romans 13:8–10 (NKJV) echoes this: “He who loves another has fulfilled the law,” listing commandments like “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” and others, tying them to love.


Grace vs. Law: While salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9), the commandments guide Christian conduct (1 John 5:3: “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome”).


Jesus taught and affirmed the Ten Commandments, explicitly citing them (Matthew 19:16–19), deepening their application (Matthew 5:17–28), and summarizing them under love (Matthew 22:37–40). Old Testament scriptures (Exodus 20, Deuteronomy 5, Psalm 119) establish their divine origin and enduring value. The commandments remain valid as moral standards for ALL believers, fulfilled in Christ’s love and grace, guiding righteous living in the New Covenant.

So in short, you teach that all those who proclaim to follow Christ but do not rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

So in short, you teach that all those who proclaim to follow Christ but do not rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

I never said that, it is false also according to scripture. I teach what Jesus is teaching, and how to enter into life, simply, by following the commandments and repent from sin.

Time is short, I urge everyone to go to Christ, follow him, believe him put in practice his teachings. Only through Christ and him alone can one gain eternal life.

At the end it's a choice we all have to make.

 

[Studyman]

So in short, you teach that all those who proclaim to follow Christ but do not rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

If I may, I would like to ask a question. In order to understand this question it is important to know that I personally do not prescribe to the religious sects and businesses that exist in the garden that God placed me in. I found zero evidence to support the extremely popular religious tradition of this world to seek out a religious sect or business, adopt one of the "many" that are available, and then support, defend and promote their specific religious philosophies which vary depending on the name they give themselves.

So I am not promoting a religion here, just asking a question concerning your comment.

Do you believe Jesus, that if a man calls HIM Lord, Lord, but lives a life killing innocent people, he will be one of those Jesus said would be cast into the Lake of Fire? How about if the man who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, is an unrepentant thief, does the Jesus "of the Bible" teach that this man will be thrown into a Lake of Fire? What if a man who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, worships images of God in the likeness of men? What if a man who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, lives a life as an unrepentant Adulterer?

Would you then proclaim to Jesus, "So in short, you teach that all those who proclaim to follow Christ but do not abide by these Laws of God, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire"?

I would bet that you wouldn't question the Judgment of the Jesus "of the bible", concerning these instructions. Where in the Scriptures are you or I given authority to Judge God regarding His definition of Holy, Righteous and good? Who taught men to pick and choose between what Words of of God are to be worthy of our honor and respect, and which Words of God are not to be worthy of our honor and respect? Who convinced Eve to engage in this thought process?

What spirit, shown throughout the Holy Scriptures, caused men to reject, pollute and despise the Sabbath Commandment, a Feast of the Christ?

 

[Bob S]

Paul sent to the gentiles did write in Ephesians 6:1–3 instructs Gentile Christians in Ephesus to honor their parents, citing the 5th Commandment directly.

Sure, wouldn't it be shameful if we didn't? Honoring our parents is part of the Royal Law of Love, which contains every wrong thing we could do to our Savior and our fellow man not just nine like you would have us believe.

if this is not proof enough I do not know what is? capiche?

Of course it isn't. Read 2Cor3:6-11
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

It appears that you prefer to be guided by the old way (ministration of death). Mankind has been given a new way (ministration of the Spirit). Thank you, Jesus!

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Sure, wouldn't it be shameful if we didn't? Honoring our parents is part of the Royal Law of Love, which contains every wrong thing we could do to our Savior and our fellow man not just nine like you would have us believe.

Of course it isn't. Read 2Cor3:6-11
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

It appears that you prefer to be guided by the old way (ministration of death). Mankind has been given a new way (ministration of the Spirit). Thank you, Jesus!

too bad, you know the truth but persist on denying it.

To this I will add that it is obvious you do not believe in what Jesus was teaching, Jesus explained why;
John 5:46-47 (KJV):
"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"

You follow anyone elses teaching but Christ's.

 

[Bob S]

too bad, you know the truth but persist on denying it.

Just what have I denied? I believe we should honor our parents, not steal, not covet, etc.

To this I will add that it is obvious you do not believe in what Jesus was teaching, Jesus explained why;
John 5:46-47 (KJV):
"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"

You follow anyone elses teaching but Christ's.

Christ set us free from the laws of the Old Covenant. I believe in Him. You, on he other hand, have one foot in the done-away old covenant and one in the New Covenant. I notice you still will not comment on why Paul would write that the 10 Commandments were done away. 2Cor3:11

Sadly, you would accuse me of following someone other than my Savior, Jesus Christ.