Noah's Ark

[dlamberth]

Only on paper.

Wrong...it's this Creation, as Created by God that is telling a very different story than the Creation story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wrong...it's this Creation, as Created by God that is telling a very different story than the Creation story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe.

So then why do people pay good money to sit in a classroom and hear what the "Earth itSelf" is telling us?

Why can't the "Earth itSelf" just enlighten us on its own?

And what specific "ancient middle-eastern tribe" are you referring to?

 

[dlamberth]

So then why do people pay good money to sit in a classroom and hear what the "Earth itSelf" is telling us?

Why can't the "Earth itSelf" just enlighten us on its own?

That's because God, being all creative and all, has open a vast array of different window into this Earth so that we can learn from her. The classroom is but one window. There's a lot of others a person could look through. I don't think your being honest when it's only the classroom that's in your bubble. I know that in my own interest of geology that I've been on a fair number of field trips here in the Pacific Northwest. It's these field trips where I was able to get direct hands on experience. And I'm bless in that experience has opened my eyes to what I was seeing.

And what specific "ancient middle-eastern tribe" are you referring to?

The one that had the Genesis 1 Creation story as their Creation story.

 

[Kylie]

Only on paper.

No, the evidence for the evolution of whales comes from the real world, since that's where the fossils were found.

 

[Kylie]

Let's put it this way, panentheists' god is a liar.

Since I'm not a panentheist, this doesn't apply to me.

Reality does not lie.

If you think that scientists have misinterpretted the real world, please point out where the misinterpretation is and receive your Nobel prize. (And no, saying that they don't agree with the Bible is not pointing out an error).

 

[Kylie]

Why can't the "Earth itSelf" just enlighten us on its own?

It did. It provided fossils and a wealth of other material evidence.

So then why do people pay good money to sit in a classroom and hear what the "Earth itSelf" is telling us?

Because a single person can't go and work out everything that science has discovered about the real world for themselves. It would require many lifetimes.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's because God, being all creative and all, has open a vast array of different window into this Earth so that we can learn from her. The classroom is but one window. There's a lot of others a person could look through. I don't think your being honest when it's only the classroom that's in your bubble. I know that in my own interest of geology that I've been on a fair number of field trips here in the Pacific Northwest. It's these field trips where I was able to get direct hands on experience. And I'm bless in that experience has opened my eyes to what I was seeing.

Do you feel qualified to tell a geologist he's wrong?

The one that had the Genesis 1 Creation story as their Creation story.

IF you're referring to the Israelites, there are twelve tribes (fourteen, actually).

What makes you so certain only one of those twelve wrote it?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, the evidence for the evolution of whales comes from the real world, since that's where the fossils were found.

All fossils tell us is that something lived, then died.

There's no fossil on earth that can tell us dinosaurs were on the Ark with ravens and doves.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you think that scientists have misinterpretted the real world, please point out where the misinterpretation is ...

Sure thing:

... and receive your Nobel prize.

Uh-huh.

That'll be the day.

 

[AV1611VET]

It did. It provided fossils ...

Like this one?

... and a wealth of other material evidence.

Like this?

Or this?

Because a single person can't go and work out everything that science has discovered about the real world for themselves. It would require many lifetimes.

So they write it down on paper and pass it on ... right?

 

[dlamberth]

All fossils tell us is that something lived, then died.

There's no fossil on earth that can tell us dinosaurs were on the Ark with ravens and doves.

There's no Ark fossil to tell us that it even existed.
Nor is there any evidence that a global Noah flood happened.

 

[AV1611VET]

There's no Ark fossil to tell us that it even existed.
Nor is there any evidence that a global Noah flood happened.

Then one or the other has to take a hike.

And guess which one I'm going with?

 

[Kylie]

All fossils tell us is that something lived, then died.

There's no fossil on earth that can tell us dinosaurs were on the Ark with ravens and doves.

I agree. Because the Ark never happened.

 

[Kylie]

Sure thing:

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Uh-huh.

That'll be the day.

Those were scientists getting it wronmg, not a flaw with science itself.

And was it science or religion which corrected those?

(Hint: it was other scientists. Who were using science.)

 

[Kylie]

Like this one?

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Yes, AV, that one photo represents ALL of the fossil evidence that's ever been found in the whole entire world...

Like this?

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Or this?

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What do you think those are scientific evidence for?

So they write it down on paper and pass it on ... right?

If someone goes and investigates something and gets a certain result, other people go out and check it and see if they get the same result. They look at what the first guy did and see if there's anything that he might have done wrong, like where something could have affected his results without his knowledge.

If lots of people check the first guy's results, and the results of the other people who are checking, and they all get the same result, then it's likely that the result they get is correct.

By Golly, AV, I think you're about to understand the scientific method!

Praise Darwin!

 

[Kylie]

Then one or the other has to take a hike.

And guess which one I'm going with?

The one you've already decided is true, because if the evidence says otherwise, then Satandidit (I'm guessing?).

 

[AV1611VET]

Those were scientists getting it wrong, not a flaw with science itself.

And was it science or religion which corrected those?

(Hint: it was other scientists. Who were using science.)

Let me get this straight:

1. Science cannot lie.
2. Science can do no wrong.
3. Science tells us what is truth.

Sounds like you're describing more than science to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

If lots of people check the first guy's results, and the results of the other people who are checking, and they all get the same result, then it's likely that the result they get is correct.

Then what happens when a Frances Kelsey shows up and wants more testing?

What do these satisfied, got-the-same-results, other people do?

Besides ridicule her, that is?

By Golly, AV, I think you're about to understand the scientific method!

Yup.

QV please: Post 12

Praise Darwin!

Spoken like a true science follower.

 

[AV1611VET]

The one you've already decided is true, because if the evidence says otherwise, then Satandidit (I'm guessing?).

Good guess!

 

[Aseyesee]

Now if only Noah hadn't brought any grape seeds with him ...