Musk says Trump is named in the Epstein files and that's why they haven't been released

[BPPLEE]

That's not totally accurate, there is some evidence that Trump could be a pedophile. For starters, we have Trump's own admission of ogling underage girls in the dressing rooms of the pageant he was involved in. We know for a fact that he spent time with Epstein. If (if) he is indeed in the Epstein files that could be further evidence toward that conclusion.
That said, even I would not want Trump incarcerated or deported as a pedophile without due process, standing trial, first.

Personally, I oppose sentencing before an actual conviction.

The pageant Trump was talking about was not a teen event.
It was adults. It's bad enough but it didn't involve minors.
Besides that pedophiles are only interested in children who haven't gone through puberty.
Your using the wrong word
Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19
From Snopes:
We looked closely at Trump's past comments, as well as real allegations made by former beauty pageant contestants from both Miss USA and Miss Teen USA competitions. Trump did indeed brag about walking in on contestants, but was referring to Miss USA or Miss Universe pageants, whose contestants are 18 or older. The above quote in which he appeared to brag about walking in on Miss Teen USA contestants misrepresented a real comment he made to Stern.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

A pedophile is only interested in children who haven't went through puberty.
Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19

So all pedophilia is statuary rape?

 

[Bradskii]

Legally, all statuary rape is pedophilia, what is your point?

As I said, all you had to do was wait and some people would come along and explain it to you.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

That's not totally accurate, there is some evidence that Trump could be a pedophile. For starters, we have Trump's own admission of ogling underage girls in the dressing rooms of the pageant he was involved in. We know for a fact that he spent time with Epstein. If (if) he is indeed in the Epstein files that could be further evidence toward that conclusion.
That said, even I would not want Trump incarcerated or deported as a pedophile without due process, standing trial, first.

Personally, I oppose sentencing before an actual conviction.

Oh...I see. So now all of a sudden, preponderance of the evidence in the court of public opinion is okay to judge someone as long as they are a sitting president named Trump. But someone brings up an illegal MS-13 wife-beating gangster who was deported to El Salvador and all bets are off (clutching my pearls).

 

[FenderTL5]

The pageant Trump was talking about was not a teen event.
It was adults. It's bad enough but it didn't involve minors.
Besides that pedophiles are only interested in children who haven't gone through puberty.
Your using the wrong word
Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19

I accept the correction of terms.
It was corroborated by at least four contestants that he exhibited that same behavior in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant.
They said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

 

[BPPLEE]

So all pedophilia is statuary rape?

It's worse

 

[BPPLEE]

I accept the correction of terms.
It was corroborated by at least four contestants that he exhibited that same behavior in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant.
They said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

See my edited post with reference from Snopes.
As far as the teen pageant one person went on record
Three other former teen beauty queens, who wished to remain anonymous, corroborated Billado's account. They recalled the girls hurrying to cover themselves, with one calling Trump's behavior "shocking" and "creepy."


Buzzfeed also contacted eleven other contestants from the same pageant who had no recollection of Trump entering the dressing room.

 

[FenderTL5]

an illegal MS-13 wife-beating gangster who was deported to El Salvador

I oppose sentencing before trial and conviction. You seem quite comfortable grasping your pearls and the sentencing of someone prior to a trial.

 

[FenderTL5]

See my edited post with reference from Snopes.

I saw it. It doesn't change my comment. He bragged to Stern about walking in on Miss Universe, four contestants said he did the same thing at the Miss Teen.

 

[BPPLEE]

I saw it. It doesn't change my comment. He bragged to Stern about walking in on Miss Universe, four contestants said he did the same thing at the Miss Teen.

One contestant went on record with Buzzfeed, 3 agreed with her anonymously. They interviewed 11 other contestants who said it didn't happen

 

[FenderTL5]

One contestant went on record with Buzzfeed, 3 agreed with her anonymously. They interviewed 11 other contestants who said it didn't happen

Difference in testimonies are precisely why sentencing should not precede the trial.
It's precisely why a deportation or incarceration should not take place without due process, and that applies to anyone from Trump down.

 

[The Barbarian]

Would that imply that Obama is on the tapes they seized from Diddy’s house? We’ve never seen anything and they were working together.

(Barbarian checks)

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Oh...I see. So now all of a sudden, preponderance of the evidence in the court of public opinion is okay to judge someone as long as they are a sitting president named Trump

Just asking to see what they say they had.

 

[Bradskii]

From here: Republican Trump critic Thomas Massie files petition to force vote on full release of Epstein files - live updates

“I think, really, only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going. But, credible information”, Trump concluded, “let ‘em give it. I would say: anything that’s credible, let them have it.”

Nah. I want to see the info that you think isn't credible. That's what I want to see.

 

[wing2000]

Trump: "doesn't understand why so many people are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein case"

 

[Hans Blaster]

Trump: "doesn't understand why so many people are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein case"

Of the three basic forms of extemporanous Trump-speak:

1. Lies and spin
2. Faking knowledge of things he doesn't know
3. Old man rambles

This is the first. This is a (mostly) clear, set of (mostly) coherent preplanned talking points worked together off the cuff.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

What ever they release , if anything, will be scrubbed.

 

[wing2000]

Of the three basic forms of extemporanous Trump-speak:

1. Lies and spin
2. Faking knowledge of things he doesn't know
3. Old man rambles

This is the first. This is a (mostly) clear, set of (mostly) coherent preplanned talking points worked together off the cuff.

...with a bit of the 2nd mixed in.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Does anyone really think they will release anything that would shed more light on this relationship?
Might as well forget it. Anything released at this point will be redacted so heavily it will not mean anything.

 

[Hans Blaster]

...with a bit of the 2nd mixed in.

What do you think he was faking knowledge of?

Epstein as "not that important". The files as "sordid but boring", etc. are clearly spin to down play the importance. He pulls some of his favorite conspiracy theories into the mix (Mueller investigation, Steele Dossier [which claims to have salacious sexual information about Trump as well)

The "faking knowledge" thing usually comes into play when he is asked about something he doesn't know about and decides to talk anyway, or mishears something and talks about the thing he thought he heard instead of the actual question.