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Absolutely! It’s not black and white! Especially considering our economy.
Where does Saint Paul say the submission is mutual? He says wives submit to your husbands. This is headship and he nowhere implies men are to submit to their wives. Granted he doesn't say for husbands to abuse this privledge but you're attempting to read egalitarianism into a text where there is simply none. Christ is the head of man and man is the head of woman. This is hierarchal and something you suggested earlier which is wrong. You clearly think Saint Paul was wrong.
I am merely challenging your notion that there are things we can learn from modern relationships. You want to say we can learn egalitarianism from secular Atheists and abandon traditional Christian notions of marriage. This is entirely relevant.
My view is the historic view. You are representing the modern progressive view which you say we ought embrace over practices 2000 years old.
Most people historically have not interpreted these verses differently. Only in modernity have been tried to force egalitarianism on to Saint Paul. (staff edit)
As Christians we do have standards. Are you suggesting that it should not be a Christian standard to expect fertility and couples having children? You are making the assumption that having children doesn't matter and I maintain that this is at odds with what Christians have historically always done and expected. There has always been an expectation of fertility and that is the point of marriage. To continue on the human race.
You bet, my sister in ChristExactly, and it’s a sensitive subject for many. Thank you for understanding.
~bella
Amen! It’s been that way since the Garden of Eden. And people are expected to control their passions in a relationship per the writings of St. Paul.
Are you referring to the woman at the well in John 4? The Samaritan woman?
Yes, sir.
There's a difference between marrying a woman and her being offered salvation for her sins. Just because someone has been forgiven doesn't mean they are entitled to marriage especially to a good man who waited.
Paul made a specific point to instruct that marriages that were childfree for the sake of promoting the gospel were just as acceptable as celibacy for the sake of promoting the gospel.
He also said celibacy was better than marriage if one can live that way, because Paul was a celibate man, as was Jesus.
It doesn't say that. It says multiply It doesn't say continue on the human race.
Where's it say that? Pardon my ignorance.
So should we suggest celibate and infertile marriages? Take in mind Paul didn't have modern birth control in mind and he understood our nature will ultimately compel us to want to have sex within marriage which would lead to children.
