God saw that it was good ...

[Aseyesee]

At least you see it works both ways and often with the same person

It's never an all glory blessings side only, the general point

And there are scriptural reasons for the cursing side that does not hinge on blaming people. Another general point

I don't believe anything is out of order...

If Solomon didn't have 700 wives and 300 concubines the son would not have beeen divided again ...

 

[Aseyesee]

Judas obviously wasn't the only one Satan entered

There is a serpent in every garden of God, until Jesus, who he had no place in.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I don't believe anything is out of order...

If Solomon didn't have 700 wives and 300 concubines the son would not have beeen divided again ...

So are you here to seek favorable sights from Israelites? Your tone has a familiar cadence that I've encountered a time or 2

 

[honey badger]

There is a serpent in every garden of God, until Jesus, who he had no place in.

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the One having subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay, into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails together until now.

 

[honey badger]

I don't believe anything is out of order...

If Solomon didn't have 700 wives and 300 concubines the son would not have beeen divided again ...

7 sons and 3 daughters as in 10 ... the law of our mother ...


yes all is of Him ... things seen and unseen ... i told you some time ago that i wanted my own tree, which of course one needs to own the land it sits on for it to be yours well i have one now and not only did i buy the land for one third of its value as the land was in dispute (which my wife got sorted) but also of all the trees He gave me He chose a mulberry tree ... i mean there are other trees but the mulberry is by far the largest and sits in the middle and casts its shadow over the house ... also my tree sits on my 2680 m2 of land and in Strong's 2680 the word means to furnish, equip, prepare as in to make ready ... also the disputed part was 390 m2 which makes me think of Ezekiel as in the years of Israel's sin etc etc etc

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

It's really not about good and evil

Really? Maybe it's about blindness or deafness?

Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

And just to get ahead of the response, choosing any of the above doesn't eliminate the others

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

There is a serpent in every garden of God, until Jesus, who he had no place in.

Everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. 1 John 4:7 (part)

Are you willing to condemn any person, knowing the above?

Could you possibly conceive that all people really are God's children, bound in the flesh with the spirit of disobedience?

Can we really love all people AND remain in sound judgments against that spirit of disobedience?

Starting with ourselves, yes. But if we are in blind denial it's just so much spit in the wind

 

[Aseyesee]

So are you here to seek favorable sights from Israelites? Your tone has a familiar cadence that I've encountered a time or 2

Nope ... there's only one son ...

 

[Aseyesee]

Everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. 1 John 4:7 (part)

Are you willing to condemn any person, knowing the above?

Could you possibly conceive that all people really are God's children, bound in the flesh with the spirit of disobedience?

Can we really love all people AND remain in sound judgments against that spirit of disobedience?

Starting with ourselves, yes. But if we are in blind denial it's just so much spit in the wind

I conceived that (as you say) forty or more years ago .... it's a concensus I was brought to in myself ... one son ...

 

[Aseyesee]

Really? Maybe it's about blindness or deafness?

Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

And just to get ahead of the response, choosing any of the above doesn't eliminate the others

The wilderness is the wandering around between to mountains (or two fruits of one tree), or like a dog caught by the ears) ... a truth that started with Adam when he harkened to his wife .... a field that Joseph wandered around in that led to a pit ... a picture of something, just as the two mountains are, or two gardens, two sons, cities, tree's, woman ...

Born blind for reason, that sums itself up in one ...

"Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?"

 

[Aseyesee]

7 sons and 3 daughters as in 10 ... the law of our mother ...


yes all is of Him ... things seen and unseen ... i told you some time ago that i wanted my own tree, which of course one needs to own the land it sits on for it to be yours well i have one now and not only did i buy the land for one third of its value as the land was in dispute (which my wife got sorted) but also of all the trees He gave me He chose a mulberry tree ... i mean there are other trees but the mulberry is by far the largest and sits in the middle and casts its shadow over the house ... also my tree sits on my 2680 m2 of land and in Strong's 2680 the word means to furnish, equip, prepare as in to make ready ... also the disputed part was 390 m2 which makes me think of Ezekiel as in the years of Israel's sin etc etc etc

I had two cherry trees ... this year my one cherry tree began the spring loaded with fruit ... all the fruit shriveled up and the tree dropped its fruit ... the other tree I had to cut down because not only did it not bear fruit but it was now interfering with the harvest in my garden ... it took three years for both trees to come to this ...

 

[honey badger]

I had two cherry trees ... this year my one cherry tree began the spring loaded with fruit ... all the fruit shriveled up and the tree dropped its fruit ... the other tree I had to cut down because not only did it not bear fruit but it was now interfering with the harvest in my garden ... it took three years for both trees to come to this ...

it took 3 years from when i first saw my plot (tree) until it became mine ... thing is the very moment i saw it i knew it was to be and no one else was buying it because of the disputed 390 m2 even though it sits dead center of the village and is large flat plot with front and back entrances a mere 20 min from town so should have been snapped up by any investor, but no building permission could be obtained for lack of a piece of paper effecting outright ownership , however it turned out that my wife's two college friends just so happened to work at the two positions at the two government departments who hold sway over these very issues and so not only did i buy the 2290m2 for well bellow market value' but got the disputed 390m2 which the council owned for free ...

And the Lord said, "If you have faith like a grain of mustard, you would have said to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and be planted in the sea,' and it would have obeyed you.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I conceived that (as you say) forty or more years ago .... it's a concensus I was brought to in myself ... one son ...

I hadn't picked up on that from any of your posts.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

The wilderness is the wandering around between to mountains (or two fruits of one tree), or like a dog caught by the ears) ... a truth that started with Adam when he harkened to his wife .... a field that Joseph wandered around in that led to a pit ... a picture of something, just as the two mountains are, or two gardens, two sons, cities, tree's, woman ...

Born blind for reason, that sums itself up in one ...

"Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?"

The thing is, we are not our own adversary. God made an adversary that is not the people and placed us all "under" that internal influence. It's another matter I never see in your posts.

What we are left with, with no fulcrum point for adverse situations for the people is only finger pointing to the people, with the adversary never in view. Joseph for example, a blatant one, was put in a prison hold, under Pharaoh, a figure for SATAN. Ezekiel 29:3

When Joseph, the "elder son" of the 2, took his place under Pharaoh, he was blessed, just as his own father was blessed as a type of deceiver. Both of these men were forced to be HONEST about their situation. The first man, the natural, carnal, captive man is blinded to his condition. The 2nd man sees, and is honest. Honesty then we forced upon us as A FRUIT of the Spirit of TRUTH

And that particular form of blindness is indeed and in fact, from God.

Romans 11:32

For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

The disobedience of no one is obedient, blessed, faithful, and is in fact under the wrath of God. Not the person. The person just happens to be stuck in the same house.

Romans 11:
8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[c]

9 And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[d]

The "they/their/them" above are the spirits of disobedience, the spirit of stupor that is NOT THE PEOPLE.

 

[honey badger]

I had two cherry trees ... this year my one cherry tree began the spring loaded with fruit ... all the fruit shriveled up and the tree dropped its fruit ... the other tree I had to cut down because not only did it not bear fruit but it was now interfering with the harvest in my garden ... it took three years for both trees to come to this ...

love this ... the process pictured so simply ... boggles the mind how these two witnesses speak as one in so many ways and yet all the same way ... it took me two attempts to to make the tree mine knowing it had nothing to do with a tree ... i was looking at the neighbors house built on the fifth plot the land was separated into ( i have the other 4 ) and came across a Bee-eater suffering heat exhaustion so i fetched water and sprinklered it a bit and went to sit under my tree to get out the sun and it flew over and settled in a branch to my right about 2 meters from me and we just sat their together as one ...

 

[Aseyesee]

The thing is, we are not our own adversary. God made an adversary that is not the people and placed us all "under" that internal influence. It's another matter I never see in your posts.

What we are left with, with no fulcrum point for adverse situations for the people is only finger pointing to the people, with the adversary never in view. Joseph for example, a blatant one, was put in a prison hold, under Pharaoh, a figure for SATAN. Ezekiel 29:3

When Joseph, the "elder son" of the 2, took his place under Pharaoh, he was blessed, just as his own father was blessed as a type of deceiver. Both of these men were forced to be HONEST about their situation. The first man, the natural, carnal, captive man is blinded to his condition. The 2nd man sees, and is honest. Honesty then we forced upon us as A FRUIT of the Spirit of TRUTH

And that particular form of blindness is indeed and in fact, from God.

Romans 11:32

For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

The disobedience of no one is obedient, blessed, faithful, and is in fact under the wrath of God. Not the person. The person just happens to be stuck in the same house.

Romans 11:
8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[c]

9 And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[d]

The "they/their/them" above are the spirits of disobedience, the spirit of stupor that is NOT THE PEOPLE.

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his (God’s) will.”

Thought is how we oppose ourselves and become captive to the image that Jesus (depicting as serpent on a cross/flesh) by which the enmity between God and man was abolished/only for the process of time) became to us (man of sin/one who was, and is not, and yet is), and it is through thought/our perception (like a woman that prepares a meal) we come to the son we are …

“For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.” (two cities/gardens, mountains, etc.) “

“… that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”

“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.”

“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law (the law of our/mother Hagar).”

“O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? “

“And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.”

Flesh (as an image) man/red in the face/Esau/red/ (what he sold his birthright for) a serpent that becomes a red dragon coming out of the double mindedness (a tossing to and fro, like the waves of the sea foaming out their own shame) that the sea is a picture of) … sea of glass) … was the veil that an adversary used to darken the mind of Adam (so to speak), and divide the inheritance of God to us and in us (which was never something that needed to be labored for (but also through the flesh of the second Adam clothed upon, and out of two, one new man).

The two pastures, tables, (what we eat of) etc. are within and without us, and relate to how we enter in to the most holy place found in the midst of us, in the form of relationship, and by this collectively, as in the whole of humanity (a not holding their sin, rather losing them, of which Lazarus takes the form of).

God, when he comes down brings confusion/a deep sleep/a scattering, but it is not God, it is our perception of God. The words this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased drove Jesus to a wilderness just as it did Adam and Abram; just as God causes a deep sleep on Adam and his nakedness is revealed, so to with Abram, which sends a firstborn (who receives a double portion) to Egypt.

The whole book/bible is about the process of the soul … which in (one) picture is like a garden … to say it plainly … our soul is neither good or bad, harlot or virgin … the seed that is sown (and by whom) causes this reflection (who we are in relationship to God) in us … one of measure (found wanting), one without measure, one finite, one infinite … one image (of self) serves the other, much like the ground serves a seed … they first appear to be opposing truths (in us), but the son of man has always been the son of God from before the beginning (even though the beginning and the end is not a place in time), as a truth that God has always been, without ending, without beginning; an absolute.

Joseph, Jacob, his brothers, the priest of On (a city of Egypt) who harkened unto his wife) or Pharaoh were going through a process every bit as much as Joseph was, or the butler and the bread maker. The symbolism abounds as to what something is (In picture form) to each individual, that relates to this process (of one seed) found in them as it is in us, the revealing of one son.

I have agreed with my adversary (which is much like loving your enemy) … is the adversary literal or not? … has no (and I do not give him any), place in me.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his (God’s) will.”

Thought is how we oppose ourselves

Funny how we can both read the above and arrive at different sights. You still think we oppose ourselves. The scripture you cited clearly corrects that fault and points to the devil, our real opposer.

Why do you keep blaming and accusing people? Or is it really you, the child of God doing it? I think not.

and become captive to the image that Jesus (depicting as serpent on a cross/flesh) by which the enmity between God and man was abolished/only for the process of time) became to us (man of sin/one who was, and is not, and yet is), and it is through thought/our perception (like a woman that prepares a meal) we come to the son we are …

“For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.” (two cities/gardens, mountains, etc.) “

“… that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”

“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.”

“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law (the law of our/mother Hagar).”

“O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? “

“And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.”

Flesh (as an image) man/red in the face/Esau/red/ (what he sold his birthright for) a serpent that becomes a red dragon coming out of the double mindedness (a tossing to and fro, like the waves of the sea foaming out their own shame) that the sea is a picture of) … sea of glass) … was the veil that an adversary used to darken the mind of Adam (so to speak), and divide the inheritance of God to us and in us (which was never something that needed to be labored for (but also through the flesh of the second Adam clothed upon, and out of two, one new man).

We can make this much simpler by understanding that Mark 4:15 happened to both Adam and Eve.

From that point on neither of them were just Adam and Eve. It was Adam and Eve bound with the spirit of disobedience, the tempter, in their dust/bodies

The two pastures, tables, (what we eat of) etc. are within and without us, and relate to how we enter in to the most holy place found in the midst of us, in the form of relationship, and by this collectively, as in the whole of humanity (a not holding their sin, rather losing them, of which Lazarus takes the form of).

The "rich man" was in the flesh of Lazarus, Jer. 5:26-28

The 2 of them parted ways when Lazarus, the child of God passed away. That spirit of disobedience that was his captor, his king stealing the bread of God from Lazarus stayed behind. Made homeless. Wandering. Dry. Needing water.

God, when he comes down brings confusion/a deep sleep/a scattering, but it is not God,

True. God suppresses the spirit of disobedience, the spirit of slumber, and turns the table to make "it/them" sleep, in order to take hold of the child of God and speak to them directly, or show them various things. Much of this is done via allegorical or similtude pictures

it is our perception of God. The words this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased drove Jesus to a wilderness just as it did Adam and Abram; just as God causes a deep sleep on Adam and his nakedness is revealed, so to with Abram, which sends a firstborn (who receives a double portion) to Egypt.

The whole book/bible is about the process of the soul … which in (one) picture is like a garden … to say it plainly … our soul is neither good or bad, harlot or virgin … the seed that is sown (and by whom) causes this reflection (who we are in relationship to God) in us … one of measure (found wanting), one without measure, one finite, one infinite … one image (of self) serves the other, much like the ground serves a seed …

You know, we seem to hit so close. The darkness we are planted in, that ground, is our body. We are seeded in the same ground as the tares. When the blade appears, then do the tares appear also, to the blade. The blade sees when it emerges from the darkness. When the rooster crows, the light dawns on the deceived.

they first appear to be opposing truths (in us), but the son of man has always been the son of God from before the beginning (even though the beginning and the end is not a place in time), as a truth that God has always been, without ending, without beginning; an absolute.

Few of us would take issue with that.

Joseph, Jacob, his brothers, the priest of On (a city of Egypt) who harkened unto his wife) or Pharaoh were going through a process every bit as much as Joseph was, or the butler and the bread maker. The symbolism abounds as to what something is (In picture form) to each individual, that relates to this process (of one seed) found in them as it is in us, the revealing of one son.

I agree that allegory, parable, similtudes, types and figures is extremely difficult territory and there are very few devotees

I have agreed with my adversary (which is much like loving your enemy) … is the adversary literal or not? … has no (and I do not give him any), place in me.

The adversary is the spirit of disobedience. Everyone has the infection, no exceptions other that God Himself in Christ

What that does not mean is that the adversary, that spirit of disobedience is the same as the Child of God. It's not. There are two entirely different agencies, just as Satan speaking through Peter or entering Judas made neither of those men, those children of God, Satan.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[Aseyesee]

Funny how we can both read the above and arrive at different sights. You still think we oppose ourselves. The scripture you cited clearly corrects that fault and points to the devil, our real opposer.

Why do you keep blaming and accusing people? Or is it really you, the child of God doing it? I think not.

We can make this much simpler by understanding that Mark 4:15 happened to both Adam and Eve.

From that point on neither of them were just Adam and Eve. It was Adam and Eve bound with the spirit of disobedience, the tempter, in their dust/bodies

The "rich man" was in the flesh of Lazarus, Jer. 5:26-28

The 2 of them parted ways when Lazarus, the child of God passed away. That spirit of disobedience that was his captor, his king stealing the bread of God from Lazarus stayed behind. Made homeless. Wandering. Dry. Needing water.

True. God suppresses the spirit of disobedience, the spirit of slumber, and turns the table to make "it/them" sleep, in order to take hold of the child of God and speak to them directly, or show them various things. Much of this is done via allegorical or similtude pictures

You know, we seem to hit so close. The darkness we are planted in, that ground, is our body. We are seeded in the same ground as the tares. When the blade appears, then do the tares appear also, to the blade. The blade sees when it emerges from the darkness. When the rooster crows, the light dawns on the deceived.

Few of us would take issue with that.

I agree that allegory, parable, similtudes, types and figures is extremely difficult territory and there are very few devotees

The adversary is the spirit of disobedience. Everyone has the infection, no exceptions other that God Himself in Christ

What that does not mean is that the adversary, that spirit of disobedience is the same as the Child of God. It's not. There are two entirely different agencies, just as Satan speaking through Peter or entering Judas made neither of those men, those children of God, Satan.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

I'm not blaming people, I'm just showing the procss of a seed ... what sweat of the brow shows concerning the son that you are.

"Take no thought" "pick up your cross" and to obey the commandment are the same truth, an inward truth of the soul.

Ps. Other Lazarus ...

 

[honey badger]

I'm not blaming people, I'm just showing the procss of a seed ... what sweat of the brow shows concerning the son that you are.

"Take no thought" "pick up your cross" and to obey the commandment are the same truth, an inward truth of the soul.

most are slow to hear and quick to speak because their mind is as hard as pavement

 

[Aseyesee]

most are slow to hear and quick to speak because their mind is as hard as pavement

When Jesus spoke to the Pahrisees his words were life, but they were received (more often then not) as the words of an adversary ...