God saw that it was good ...

[honey badger]

The temptation of both Adam's are the same ... as Jesus had said, you can't add one cubit to your stature by it.

I have said it before ... the Christian and the Atheist both fall into the same pit.

and why there is no difference between Jew and gentile ...

the other day i had one of those good laughs with Him whilst out riding my bike on a farm road ( as in two tractor tire tracks with a raised grassy mound between them) and came across a tortious who had made his way out of a field of freshly sprouted something and was munching on the only weed in sight that had come out from this grassy mound between these two tracks i was choosing which the better to ride on

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

To me ... to pick up your cross, or to lose your soul is the same truth as keeping the first commandment (which the tree yeilds its fruit by).

Yes, I'm familiar with the "we must stop eating from the tree of knowledge" stories and consider them to be cultist nonsense

Any honest person should eventually come to the truth of the fact that everyone does both good and evil

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

How did you get that out of what I said ... I'm just curious ... also who/what is Satan to you

Satan is the spirit of disobedience. The antiChrist spirit. The "man of lawlessness." Satan (or devils) are not peopĺe

Regarding Judas, we know from scripture all of Israel are and we're God's children from Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9 for examples. That automatically makes Judas a child of God.

The term lost applies to all in this life who are blinded by the god of this world. It does not mean Judas ends up in the LoF

All of Israel shall be saved, even enemies of the Gospel. Romans 11:26-32

 

[honey badger]

To me ... to pick up your cross, or to lose your soul is the same truth as keeping the first commandment (which the tree yeilds its fruit by).

"Therefore come out from their midst and be separate, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean, and I will receive you."

Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.

 

[Aseyesee]

Yes, I'm familiar with the "we must stop eating from the tree of knowledge" stories and consider them to be cultist nonsense

Any honest person should eventually come to the truth of the fact that everyone does both good and evil

It's really not about good and evil ... the tree of knowledge and the cross Christ was literally crucified on, or the tree Judas hung himself on are allegorical truths that relate to our soul and the process of a seed found in it ...

 

[Aseyesee]

Satan is the spirit of disobedience. The antiChrist spirit. The "man of lawlessness." Satan (or devils) are not peopĺe

Regarding Judas, we know from scripture all of Israel are and we're God's children from Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9 for examples. That automatically makes Judas a child of God.

The term lost applies to all in this life who are blinded by the god of this world. It does not mean Judas ends up in the LoF

All of Israel shall be saved, even enemies of the Gospel. Romans 11:26-32

What I wrote actually, was not about Judas, or people being devils (even though Jesus like his father chose one) ... people wander around lost in their own mind, just as when people are found. Babylon and Jerusalem are the same city, every bit as when you lose your soul, it is the soul you find.

 

[Aseyesee]

and why there is no difference between Jew and gentile ...

the other day i had one of those good laughs with Him whilst out riding my bike on a farm road ( as in two tractor tire tracks with a raised grassy mound between them) and came across a tortious who had made his way out of a field of freshly sprouted something and was munching on the only weed in sight that had come out from this grassy mound between these two tracks i was choosing which the better to ride on

I have found that most angels that are entertained don't know they are angels to begin with ...

 

[Aseyesee]

"Therefore come out from their midst and be separate, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean, and I will receive you."

Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.

... they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid ...

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

It's really not about good and evil ... the tree of knowledge and the cross Christ was literally crucified on, or the tree Judas hung himself on are allegorical truths that relate to our soul and the process of a seed found in it ...

I'm certainly not saying negative can't be used by God for good, for example teaching us mercy ala Romans 11, particularly vs 32

None of us war against ourselves is an important distinction nor are our sins attributed to people, 2 Cor. 5:19

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

What I wrote actually, was not about Judas, or people being devils (even though Jesus like his father chose one) ... people wander around lost in their own mind, just as when people are found. Babylon and Jerusalem are the same city, every bit as when you lose your soul, it is the soul you find.

Your positions are always missing the adversary component. Which does spell trouble for the surveyors not seeing that, and instead doing the blame game on everyone but

 

[Aseyesee]

I'm certainly not saying negative can't be used by God for good, for example teaching us mercy ala Romans 11, particularly vs 32

None of us war against ourselves is an important distinction nor are our sins attributed to people, 2 Cor. 5:19

2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves ... people war over food within themselves ... and we all know what happens when you lose those battles (which in America is evident)... heck, there's a multi billion dollar business based on this outcome.

 

[honey badger]

... they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid ...

which is ... to be renewed in the spirit of your minds;

The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,

 

[Aseyesee]

Your positions are always missing the adversary component. Which does spell trouble for the surveyors not seeing that, and instead doing the blame game on everyone but

Because my focus/eye is not on an adversary, whether someone deems this as God, Satan, or sin ... literal or not, makes no difference to me, just as choose ye this day, or to see his acts, or know his ways (in relationship to the son/glory we had before the world was/what we have all along been known of God to be) ... for Adam it was you will be like (three), for Jesus it was if you be (three) ...

"And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. "

“And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.”
“And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.”

"And I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm, even in anger, and in fury, and in great wrath."

"For God is not the author of confusion ..."

"Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
" ... be not dismayed at their faces, lest I confound thee before them."

 

[Clare73]

This was never something we were debating.

This is what we were discussing

And once again, the promised land wasn't the abomination, the abomination was they defiled it.

I'll pray that one day you will see the difference.

Jer 2:7 I brought you into a bountiful country,
To eat its fruit and its goodness.
But when you entered, you defiled My land
And made My heritage an abomination.

Demonstrates so much about your "hermeneutic."

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jer 2:7 I brought you into a bountiful country,
To eat its fruit and its goodness.
But when you entered, you defiled My land
And made My heritage an abomination.

Demonstrates so much about your "hermeneutic."

The land wasn't an abomination, they defiled it as it clearly says, which is what made the abomination . Why would you think the heritage God gives could ever be an abomination. Its really an attack on the character of God. While you have become very good at name calling, I just take it as someone who still needs spiritual maturity.

Take care.

 

[Clare73]

The land wasn't an abomination, they defiled it as it clearly says, which was the abomination . Why would you think the heritage God gives could ever be an abomination. Its really an attack on the character of God. While you have become very good at name calling, I just take it as someone who still needs spiritual maturity.

In my Bible, it is:

Jer 2:7 I brought you into a bountiful country,
To eat its fruit and its goodness.
But when you entered, you defiled my land
And made my heritage an abomination.

The land is the heritage which was made an abomination.

Demonstrates so much about your hermeneutic . . .

 

[honey badger]

from where the sun rises to where it sets, that there is none but Me; I am the LORD, and there is no other. I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

For from Him and through Him and unto Him are all things. To Him be the glory to the ages! Amen.

 

[Aseyesee]

In my Bible, it is:

Jer 2:7 I brought you into a bountiful country,
To eat its fruit and its goodness.
But when you entered, you defiled my land
And made my heritage an abomination.

The land is the heritage which was made an abomination.

Demonstrates so much about your hermeneutic . . .

They were carrierd away to babylon (I am no widow) because babylon is what became the mother of an inheritage/son.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Because my focus/eye is not on an adversary, whether someone deems this as God, Satan, or sin ... literal or not, makes no difference to me, just as choose ye this day, or to see his acts, or know his ways (in relationship to the son/glory we had before the world was/what we have all along been known of God to be) ... for Adam it was you will be like (three), for Jesus it was if you be (three) ...

"And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. "

“And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.”
“And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.”

"And I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm, even in anger, and in fury, and in great wrath."

"For God is not the author of confusion ..."

"Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
" ... be not dismayed at their faces, lest I confound thee before them."

At least you see it works both ways and often with the same person

It's never an all glory blessings side only, the general point

And there are scriptural reasons for the cursing side that does not hinge on blaming people. Another general point

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

What I wrote actually, was not about Judas, or people being devils (even though Jesus like his father chose one) ... people wander around lost in their own mind, just as when people are found. Babylon and Jerusalem are the same city, every bit as when you lose your soul, it is the soul you find.

Judas obviously wasn't the only one Satan entered