Breakdown of Noah's and the Ark

[BPPLEE]

Geologists have found no evidence of a global flood in the rock record. The Earth's geological history suggests gradual changes over millions of years, not a catastrophic event like a global flood.

There's no archaeological evidence to support the story of a global flood that would have covered the entire Earth, including regions like China.

Most species wouldn't survive with only two individuals of each, as it leads to insufficient genetic diversity for a healthy population. Also how would have animals in Australia and America made it the middle east.

The sheer number of animal species and the task of gathering and caring for them on the Ark present immense logistical challenges. Many animals have very specific diets, most salt water fish can not survive in fresh water and most freshwater fish can not survive in salt water, in reality that flood would have killed most fish. Anyone who as a basic knowledge of taking care of tropical fish knows the slightest change in the eco system of the tank can kill all the fish.

Building an ark of the size described in the Bible, without the necessary engineering knowledge and materials, would have been impossible in Noah's time. Add to the fact that and Air Craft destroyer is many times larger than the dimensions given for the Ark. 2 of every land animal could not fit on a destroyer much. There would not have been less animals back then there would have been more.

Supplying enough food and water for all the animals and the crew for a year-long voyage is a major problem. For less than a dozen people....it would be impossible.

Managing a diverse group of animals in a confined space during a storm would have been incredibly difficult.

The Ark's size and the water's rising levels could have led to oxygen depletion, posing a threat to the animals and humans.

Now we know most of human race started in the middle east. There have been flood like the black sea flood that are most likely the basis of the flood story and a flood like that would have been the end of the world to a prehistoric people. They traveled over the world and the story was just told buy all,

Finally God is all knowing, all seeing, can do anything with no limits. It would have made more since to just snap your fingers and whip out everyone but Noah and his family. The biblical flood story is ridiculous, most pastors I know today are intelligent enough to realize that a good portion of the bible is at best an Allegory.

While I tend to agree we have the problem that Jesus mentioned Noah, and said the end times would be like those of Noah's time

 

[Yarddog]

Are you insinuating that the Isrealites never knew what the flood was all about?

We don't know what they knew. What did Moses know before God appeared to him in the bush? What did God reveal to Moses on the mountain? What secrets were revealed to him? The OT is full of stories about Jesus but did the writers know it?

Noah planted a vineyard and drank the fruit of the vine. Jesus is the vine and his blood is the fruit.

God said, "Let there be light". Jesus was that light.

In the Garden of Eden, Jesus is the Tree of Life.

God has an incredible love for his children and has provided all that we need for salvation.

 

[Vambram]

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I think the poster likes giving out the like symbol, they give out quite a few. I did not notice did they give a like to that post and then take it away.

Although I strongly believe that the flood in Genesis 6 & 7 was global covering the entirety of all of the land masses of the world, I shall always believe and know that the Lord God created the Earth as a spherical globe, not as a "flat earth."

 

[d taylor]

Although I strongly believe that the flood in Genesis 6 & 7 was global covering the entirety of all of the land masses of the world, I shall always believe and know that the Lord God created the Earth as a spherical globe, not as a "flat earth."

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Why.... do you know.

 

[Zceptre]

Although I strongly believe that the flood in Genesis 6 & 7 was global covering the entirety of all of the land masses of the world, I shall always believe and know that the Lord God created the Earth as a spherical globe, not as a "flat earth."

Such confidence. But if you are wrong about the dimensions of this place, then you don't "know" but only "believe."

Condemnation before investigation leaves people in their paradigm and truths escape their grasp.

Until 500 years ago everyone knew the Earth was not spherical. For Biblical genealogical terms, that's 5,500 years of people, including those who lived before the flood for nearly 1,000 years a piece. A lot of people think God created sheer incompetent people, while I personally think they were geniuses. Adam was made directly by God's hand, and I think we should give God a little more credit, if we aren't buying into evolutionary fallacies.

There are plenty of records, including the scriptures (lots about foundations under earth, no foundations for floating spheroids is possible) that show that no one believed or considered this place a "floating marble" until roughly all that re-written history about Galileo.

Look up the Antikythera mechanism for starters. If you can explain that away easily, then you are buying on emotions and not logic, and justifying the purchase afterwards with supporting "facts" anyone offers.

The Bible never told anyone there was a marble floating through space. I'm pretty sure there isn't an allusion to "space" in the entire book of 66 books. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Heavens. (Genesis 1:7)

This is a supernatural world, a supernatural earth, and they want you accepting there "might be aliens." Not believing the Bible. Now, you might simply believe the Bible anyway, but you won't believe it nearly like you will when you find out they have been lying to you all this time.

Everyone hates being lied to. I challenge anyone in this thread to tell me they prefer people lie to them... Everyone hates that.

You owe it to yourself. People are not crazy and there is a reason you have a hard time finding opposition to the "establishment" narrative.

I'm not a "flat earth" fan, as I can't see with my own eyes the extent of this place. But I can walk outside and see that large fire ball in the sky, and over a number of years I said "who cares what this place is shaped like, as long as God made it." But then when you see it, you can't unsee it, and the lies start falling apart and you begin to see why they lie. The sun is local and floating in the sky, and it can be known without a single device or article or agency to listen to. Trigonometry and the light rays tattle-tale on it's real location... directly behind the cloud, in the atmosphere. Not millions of anything. Once you wake up to it, you walk outside and look at the thing, and go "wow, it's so obvious, those liars got me good."

If you find out this place isn't a ball. They haven't been anywhere called "space" or to "the moon" or done anything they claimed... One, they are embarrassed. Two, you will not just know there is a God, you will KNOW there is a God. Third, demons can't be aliens if that black wall above our head isn't "infinite space with (wait for it) plaNETsSss. They want people warm and fuzzy about them, not afraid and running to God and calling out the name of Jesus that has authority over them.

We have a local sun, a flat "horizon" (ocean images suffice, it's 50+[conservative estimate!] miles of obvious no-ball left to right, put a ruler on the images lol), and they lied to you and everyone. If the sun were 9 "million" miles away in some place called space it wouldn't be cool in the sunlight in the morning, and blistering hot cooking you (because it is extremely close to you) during mid-day. It would be a fraction of a million miles different from morning to mid-day and the same temperature. But it isn't... It's close and cooking you like a pizza.

If you don't look, you won't know. If you don't want to be weird. Don't look. If aliens seems reasonable to you (anyone that is) you BETTER look, or you'll be deceived. They are, the best liars, ever known on earth.

The United Nations didn't pick a "flat earth" conspiracy map to be cute and funny. They did it because they are mocking you and me and telling you that "you are brainwashed and we can put it in your face and you still won't know."

Type in flat earth and soak in the storm of brainwashing material. Just revel in the sheer endless stream of "fact check" posts presented to you... and tell yourself it's ok, they would never lie about something like this, especially not this big...

Or do yourself a favor and stop letting them mock you and rake you over the coals. Take your mind back and look at the world without holding the hand of digital propaganda.

God is much, much, MUCH closer than most people know, and the judgment is near. If only they knew the lies they are being told, they might reconsider their sins and Lord Jesus' offer of pardon.

 

[Job 33:6]

We don't know what they knew. What did Moses know before God appeared to him in the bush?

Since Moses never said anything about baptism, and since the ancient Isrealites have no history of baptism, that should tell you that it wasn't a concept that they were aware of.

Are you familiar with the concept of "anachronism"?

The flood story can have meaning in its original context, without needing to be forced into being about something that Moses never knew of.

 

[davetaff]

Since Moses never said anything about baptism, and since the ancient Isrealites have no history of baptism, that should tell you that it wasn't a concept that they were aware of.

Are you familiar with the concept of "anachronism"?

The flood story can have meaning in its original context, without needing to be forced into being about something that Moses never knew of.

Hi Job
Thank you for your post jest thought of this scripture

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea

So baptism has been a concept from the beginning of the creation of Israel

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Job 33:6]

Hi Job
Thank you for your post jest thought of this scripture

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea

So baptism has been a concept from the beginning of the creation of Israel

Love and Peace
Dave

This is just repetition of what the other person said. I am fully aware of the new testament authors reference to the flood and baptism. But the question is not how the new testament authors understood it. Rather it is what it's meaning was to Moses and the Isrealites in its original context, as it was originally communicated and understood. Moses himself for example, never said anything about baptism, and this concept was not something known to the ancient Isrealites.

What did it mean to Moses and the Isrealites, not what did it mean to Paul and Peter.

 

[Yarddog]

Since Moses never said anything about baptism, and since the ancient Isrealites have no history of baptism, that should tell you that it wasn't a concept that they were aware of.

Why did they have to be aware of baptism for God to foretell it?

Are you familiar with the concept of "anachronism"?

The flood story can have meaning in its original context, without needing to be forced into being about something that Moses never knew of.

That is why I used the word "allegory".

 

[Job 33:6]

Why did they have to be aware of baptism for God to foretell it?

God obviously didn't fortell it to Moses or the Isrealites, otherwise they would have known about it.

God revealed it to new testament authors. But this wasn't a revelation to Moses or the original audience. And with that said, it begs a simple question of, what was the original meaning of the narrative? (The original meaning that Moses and the Isrealites had when it was first written down).

 

[Yarddog]

God obviously didn't fortell it to Moses or the Isrealites, otherwise they would have known about it.

God revealed it to new testament authors. But this wasn't a revelation to Moses or the original audience. And with that said, it begs a simple question of, what was the original meaning of the narrative? (The original meaning that Moses and the Isrealites had when it was first written down).

I never said he revealed baptism to Moses. God told Moses to write down what he revealed to him to write. That there was allegories in the stories didn't matter. God reveals to those he chooses.

 

[Job 33:6]

I never said he revealed baptism to Moses. God told Moses to write down what he revealed to him to write. That there was allegories in the stories didn't matter. God reveals to those he chooses.

Ok. So what was the original meaning of the story to those that originally wrote it down and received the message? Aside from the hidden messages in the pages that God for whatever reason decided not to reveal to the original audience.

When Moses shared Genesis with the Isrealites, if he didn't know anything about baptism, then what did the story mean to him? I mean, he is the one who wrote it down after all. It's not as though he didn't have thoughts about it.

 

[Yarddog]

Ok. So what was the original meaning of the story to those that originally wrote it down and received the message.Aside from the hidden messages in the pages that God for whatever reason decided not to reveal to the original audience.

Just what they heard. God sent a flood to destroy sinners.

When Moses shared Genesis with the Isrealites, if he didn't know anything about baptism, then what did the story mean to him?

I don't know what Moses knew. Did he not reveal what he may have known. Beats me.

 

[Job 33:6]

Just what they heard. God sent a flood to destroy sinners.

Wow ok. A profound revelation. Thanks for sharing.

 

[ozso]

According to biblical chronology, the flood occurred around 2348 BC, which is roughly 4,359 years ago. That means at the time of the flood the great pyramids already had been built, that by itself proves a world wide flood did not exist, because world wide flood would destroyed everything including the pyramids. Also many of the Asian countries have been going on for over 5000 years with know interruption from a world wide flood. I do not doubt there was a massive flood in the middle east that is the basis for the flood story...the black sea flood would be the best bet. At one time it was dry land with civilization. Since most cultures started in the middle east that story spread out over the earth.

Oh and Volvoxes, Earthquakes, the movement of tectonic plates explains why you can find fossils everywhere. The earth repeatedly raises and sinks the land because of those geological events. Every part of the earth has been under water...and will be again. As magma in the ocean rises creating more land masses other parts of land will sink. The land were standing on now will probably be underwater in another million years.

Biblical chronology is based on biblical genealogy. Some geniologies are very condensed and will just list a few key figures like, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Joseph, David, Jesus. It's possible that names were also left out of the longest genealogy. It could be that instead of there being 49 people between Adam and Jesus there were a lot more. Which would push the flood further back in time. Also "the world" in a historical context often doesn't mean the entire planet. As in "Alexander the Great conquered the world"