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Ask them?Again, he is promoting others works and I refer back to the word of God. I have asked questions from the Word of God that both Beth and Jeff have ignored- why is that?
No He is not … that honor belongs to mankind of which we are a part.Do I claim to have all the answers no, but it has to make sense, God is not the author of confusion.
Although I think of these questions often enough I am not troubled by them because I am really not sure. Like you previously stated, I don’t have all the answers. You see, I don’t have to know and understand everything. This doesn’t mean Universal Reconciliation is false doctrine.I'll ask you some of the same questions.
Why is there a book of life if everyone ultimately has life?
Why does Christ state that someone can be blotted out if it's not true?
I don’t have to “qualify what the Scriptures really mean” when they plainly state that Jesus is the Savior of all mankind. Paul dedicated two full chapters, 1st Corinthians 15 and Romans chapter 5, to proclaim this most marvelous and glorious truth! You see, the total and complete restoration of all things encompasses the sum total of all Scripture. Everything from “depart from me I never knew you” to “those whose names were not found written …” and others will all find their fulfillment in the eventual restoration of all things.
On the other hand, those who reject this most profound proclamation declared in Scripture are compelled by their theological paradigm, which has them handcuffed and boxed in, to perform all kinds of interpretive gymnastics to ensure their theological house of cards does not crumble.
Well, the first death had its butt handed to it by the resurrection. Why do you think the second death has more power than the ONE who conquered the first death? The first death is the right of passage all men in Adam must pass through. The second death appears to be reserved for others. For example:What power does the Second Death have over anyone if no one dies? Christ states it has power.
”“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty ( but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’“
Revelation 2:8-11 ESV

Revelation 2:8-11 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty ( but you are rich) and the slander of thos | English Standard Version Revi
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty ( but you are rich) and the slander of thos
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This passage, in my view, was written to the believers at Smyrna. He warns them of the cost for following Him but encourages them to be faithful unto death. Note: The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’“ It appears to me the second death is also for believers. Also, I find it interesting the Spirit chose the word “hurt” by the Second Death rather than “killed!”
Please abstain from telling me what I do or do not believe. Jesus got it done … Is actively getting it done … and when everything is accomplished according to the Father’s will, He will had over all authority back to the Father who will be ALL IN ALL.Why do you state that Christ ultimately saves everyone but it's obvious you don't believe that because if he can't get it done the LOF will do the job.
Never said the LOF can save anyone.If the LOF can save why did Christ pay the ultimate sacrifice?
So it’s ok for you to use study tools, which when it comes down to it, are composed/compiled by men, but Jeff is in error because he reads and learns what the church fathers taught and believed? Reading the church fathers is, in my opinion, no different than having a discussion with one who is alive. They are stating their beliefs based on their interpretation of Scripture and there was no lack of disagreement among them. Same then as it is today …Again, this all has to make sense or what are we doing. We should be able with the right tools to study for ourselves.
I will refrain from replying to the remaining unsupported accusations you have made against Jeff, me and others of like mind, as it would do nothing to add to continuing a fruitful conversation …When we take the bible as a whole it's always been life or death but you and others are stating we can throw all of that out and it's not true. And to read man's word over God's so we can have a better understanding? I'm not trying to be arrogant but yes, that scriptures rings very true to me when it comes down to something that Christ makes so simple on this issue. He states fear not the one that can kill the body but fear the one that can kill both body and soul. And he seconds that in Revelation calling it the Second Death. We have the Malachi verses that state the wicked will be turned to ashes, rubble, etc. That's what fire does and that's what Christ has told us -body and soul. Second Death.
Itchy ears goes in line with someone's own desires. Do I want to see people die? No, of course not. Do I want to suffer tribulation? No but if that's expected of me I will suffer and as Paul states to accept the love of the truth. That's what I knew and realized after having been taught a pretrib rapture all my life and dropped it after seeing it wasn't biblical. Of course that's another topic altogether...
But this false doctrine - one has to pick out verses instead of taking the Bible as a whole to believe it. One has to leave out so much of the Word. That's why I have questions on why would someone seek man's word over God's? And in doing so those verses certainly come to mind.
blessings,
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