What do you say to anti-theists on the formation of the universe?

[Bradskii]

No guard rails needed, since God's nature is guard rail enough.

That actually means that there are no guard rails to determine what you'd be prepared to do. It seems that you would do anything if you were convinced it was a command from God. Now look at the other side of the same coin. Following your own criteria it means that anyone can do anything as long as they are convinced that the command is from God.

That is a very serious concern.

Yes, it comes down to whether I believe God has commanded it. Though in a case liike your absurd hypothetical I'm not going to take a second hand report.

No, it only matters that you are convinced it's from Him. That is the problem. Do you really not see that.

Goodness is God's nature, and there is a time and place for everything under the sun. I am not a judge, I am simply a doer of the law as I see it.

Again, that is the problem. How many people have died as the killer says the same thing?

That you've appointed yourself judge?

Yes. I'm the one that you'll hear say 'Wait, that can't be right'. My only hope, and I really do honestly hope this, is that what you are posting is bulldust. That you have painted yourself into a corner and have ended up having to say the things you are saying. I hope that if you thought you were receiving a command to commit an atrocity that your basic humanity would override any desire to be a 'doer of the law'.

 

[Fervent]

That actually means that there are no guard rails to determine what you'd be prepared to do. It seems that you would do anything if you were convinced it was a command from God. Now look at the other side of the same coin. Following your own criteria it means that anyone can do anything as long as they are convinced that the command is from God.

That is a very serious concern.

If its all just personal preferences, then why does my motivation matter?

No, it only matters that you are convinced it's from Him. That is the problem. Do you really not see that.

There is no problem if its all just personal preferences.

Again, that is the problem. How many people have died as the killer says the same thing?

But it's all just personal preferences, so why does it matter? Who are we to judge?

Yes. I'm the one that you'll hear say 'Wait, that can't be right'. My only hope, and I really do honestly hope this, is that what you are posting is bulldust. That you have painted yourself into a corner and have ended up having to say the things you are saying. I hope that if you thought you were receiving a command to commit an atrocity that your basic humanity would override any desire to be a 'doer of the law'.

"Basic humanity"? What is that supposed to mean? You speak of these things as if there's more to it than personal preference, since if that's the case then my personal preference to follow God's commands as I see them is no better or worse than your personal preference for cream and sugar in your coffee. It's all relative, right?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If you actually admit that you would kill children if you were convinced that God had ordered you to do it, then there are no restrictions on what you would do.

Oh, please! Spare me your virtue signalling, especially the kind that has no restrictions on dismissing out of hand the guard rails that exist.

You see----I know the chinks in your armor. Many other Christians here don't, but I do.

 

[AV1611VET]

No. It falls on whether you actually believe it is God commanding you.

Should the need arise, I would hope and pray God would command me to do the right thing.

Else it could spell disaster.

QV please:

Boko Haram's attacks consist of suicide bombings as well as conventional armed assaults on both civilian and military targets. Following the Chibok kidnapping in 2014, the majority of Boko Haram's suicide bombers are female; many are teenagers and the youngest was seven. Boko Haram jihadists rely on stealth, blending into local communities or hiding in the vast countryside. Critics accuse the Nigerian military of not properly equipping its soldiers to fight Boko Haram.

SOURCE

Consider this:

You're in a squad of five men in the jungles of Vietnam during the war. You come upon a clearing in the jungle and, lo and behold, a little child, barely able to walk, is walking toward you, crying for his mommy and daddy and clutching a teddy bear.

Your squad leader orders you to shoot, and shoot now!

What would you do?

(Please answer this.)

Tough question, isn't it?

 

[Zceptre]

Should the need arise, I would hope and pray God would command me to do the right thing.

Else it could spell disaster.

QV please:

Boko Haram's attacks consist of suicide bombings as well as conventional armed assaults on both civilian and military targets. Following the Chibok kidnapping in 2014, the majority of Boko Haram's suicide bombers are female; many are teenagers and the youngest was seven. Boko Haram jihadists rely on stealth, blending into local communities or hiding in the vast countryside. Critics accuse the Nigerian military of not properly equipping its soldiers to fight Boko Haram.

SOURCE

Consider this:

You're in a squad of five men in the jungles of Vietnam during the war. You come upon a clearing in the jungle and, lo and behold, a little child, barely able to walk, is walking toward you, crying for his mommy and daddy and clutching a teddy bear.

Your squad leader orders you to shoot, and shoot now!

What would you do?

(Please answer this.)

Tough question, isn't it?

You mean shoot him? Was the child that ugly as to request suicide? Surely, he would know he was asking for the bullet himself wouldn't he? This squad leader is smoking? What? What kind of squad is this anyway? The Nazi SS???

Asking for a friend.

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean shoot him? Was the child that ugly as to request suicide? Surely, he would know he was asking for the bullet himself wouldn't he? This squad leader is smoking? What? What kind of squad is this anyway? The Nazi SS???

Asking for a friend.

QV please:

I've heard this claim at least a few times: "Vietcong would strap bombs (or grenades) to kids, and have them run toward a squad of US soldiers before exploding, killing the entire squad".

SOURCE

Read the thread.

 

[Zceptre]

QV please:

I've heard this claim at least a few times: "Vietcong would strap bombs (or grenades) to kids, and have them run toward a squad of US soldiers before exploding, killing the entire squad".

SOURCE

Read the thread.

Thanks for obliging.

Bradskii might vehemently oppose this, it isn't going to fit into the unacceptable atrocities narrative very well... Evil / trained suicide bombing children. Can't be... in this world?

Please excuse my previous response as a bit of playful sarcasm mixed with genuine inquiry.

So now we're at a standoff. Hold on, I need popcorn.

Pray tell they won't duck and run, pray tell!

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks for obliging.

Bradskii might vehemently oppose this, it isn't going to fit into the unacceptable atrocities narrative very well... Evil / trained suicide bombing children. Can't be... in this world?

Please excuse my previous response as a bit of playful sarcasm mixed with genuine inquiry.

So now we're at a standoff. Hold on, I need popcorn.

Pray tell they won't duck and run, pray tell!

I think he might have me on IGNORE.

So, unfortunately, he won't feel obligated to answer it.

He's a smart cookie!

 

[Zceptre]

Just this?

"-
Consider this:

You're in a squad of five men in the jungles of Vietnam during the war. You come upon a clearing in the jungle and, lo and behold, a little child, barely able to walk, is walking toward you, crying for his mommy and daddy and clutching a teddy bear.

Your squad leader orders you to shoot, and shoot now!

What would you do?

(Please answer this.)

Tough question, isn't it?
-"

"- I've heard this claim at least a few times: "Vietcong would strap bombs (or grenades) to kids, and have them run toward a squad of US soldiers before exploding, killing the entire squad". -"



For Bradskii, where are the guardrails?

So the squad leader will likely get a pass, but God's just not as smart or simply can't exist? (speculative responses I'm predicting via guesswork)

What is the verdict for the child? Grenade carring knee-highs...

I'll pose one additional just because I'm curious. What would you tell them if you were in God's shoes?



As for me, do I think they should obey the squad leader... depends on who they are afraid of more, him or the child. (not really... but likely the way it worked)

I personally would have to consider this carefully, what a doozy. Evil if you do, evil if you don't. Thankfully I'm not being charged by a toddler with a grenade and have time to consider it more.

 

[Ophiolite]

Like I told the last guy who trolled me, I wish you well on your journey sir.

You imply that I trolled you. I have more than enough to take care of without wasting time on trolling any individuals of any shade or persuasion. I most certainly do not troll those who give all the appearance of themselves being trolls. For that reason we are unlikely ever to interact again. I accept your wishes for a safe journey with all the sincerity with which you offered it.

 

[Bradskii]

But it's all just personal preferences, so why does it matter?

If nothing else it tells us what you'd be prepared to do. You actually told us.

 

[Bradskii]

Oh, please! Spare me your virtue signalling, especially the kind that has no restrictions on dismissing out of hand the guard rails that exist.

If someone literally says that they'd massacre children if they thought that God had commanded it then what on EARTH are the restrictions on what that person would do? Explain it to me.

 

[Fervent]

If nothing else it tells us what you'd be prepared to do. You actually told us.

And that matters why? It is just personal preferences, is it not?

 

[Bradskii]

And that matters why?

It's not often that I'm asked why killing children should matter. If I were you I'd stop digging now. In fact, I'm going to ask that you do. This is becoming embarressing and I'm starting to feel somewhat guilty about encouraging you.

 

[Fervent]

It's not often that I'm asked why killing children should matter. If I were you I'd stop digging now. In fact, I'm going to ask that you do. This is becoming embarressing and I'm starting to feel somewhat guilty about encouraging you.

Is it not just personal preferences? What difference does it make, why does it differ from how I take my coffee?

 

[Bradskii]

Is it not just personal preferences? What difference does it make, why does it differ from how I take my coffee?

I'm going to give you a break for the rest of the weekend. Maybe that'll give you a little time to consider what you have been saying. If you are determined to continue after that then I'm not taking any responsibility for encouraging you.

 

[Fervent]

I'm going to give you a break for the rest of the weekend. Maybe that'll give you a little time to consider what you have been saying. If you are determined to continue after that then I'm not taking any responsibility for encouraging you.

What's to consider? Either its personal preference, so there's nothing wrong with child murder beyond simply personal tastes, or there is something intrinsically wrong with it and some objective measure to speak against it. So which is it, is it a matter of personal preference with no real way to condemn anything, or is there an objective standard to check such things against?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If someone literally says that they'd massacre children if they thought that God had commanded it then what on EARTH are the restrictions on what that person would do? Explain it to me.

Who is this "someone" and what sort of theist are you referring to? I ask because I'm ONLY referring to the hermeneutical guard rails that should be in place for Christians--------not Jews, not Muslims, not Hindus or pseudo-Christian cultists.

 

[AV1611VET]

If someone literally says that they'd massacre children if they thought that God had commanded it then what on EARTH are the restrictions on what that person would do? Explain it to me.

If it bothers you so much, then pray and ask God not to convince any of us to massacre children.

After all, we pray doctors will stop massacring children.

 

[Bradskii]

Who is this "someone" and what sort of theist are you referring to? I ask because I'm ONLY referring to the hermeneutical guard rails that should be in place for Christians--------not Jews, not Muslims, not Hindus or pseudo-Christian cultists.

I'm not leaving myself open to the charge of calling anyone out. If you have been following the last couple of dozen posts then the matter should be crystal clear. If you haven't, then I strongly suggest that you do.