Does Matthew 24 describe the rapture?

[Jamdoc]

This kind of depends on whether you believe Genesis 1/2 to be literal historical records. If so, then God called the 7th day holy before even Noah.

If we accept that Genesis 1/2 were written during the Babylonian exile around the 8th century BC as a mythical prologue of the Law, then we can set it aside together with the Law.

the 7th day is Holy since the beginning yes. But God did not specify that Noah should do anything regarding the 7th day. He also gave ALL animals to Noah and His descendants for food, not a particular kosher list.

even when the law was given to Moses, the 7th day Sabbath was specifically for rest. Don't do work. Don't even go out of your home. Rest. That's the specifics given by God. The purpose of the Sabbath is rest. That's what God did on the 7th day, was rest. They were not commanded to go to the tabernacle and sing songs, or the temple when that was built.

Now the feasts of the Lord, THOSE did have specific instructions that they were to gather and perform sacrifices/offerings and religious ceremonies, everyone had to go to the temple during the 3 pilgrimage feasts, Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. They were not required to go to the temple every Saturday.

Now comes the thing: People could CHOOSE to go to the temple on Saturdays
People could CHOOSE to go to synagogues on the Saturdays.
It was not COMMANDED.
It was chosen that that would be what their Sabbath activities would contain.
When freely chosen rather than obligated, it can still be restful. Just as doing recreational activity that involves physical exertion can still be restful for your mental and spiritual health even if you are physically tired after doing it.
When it is OBLIGATED, it stops being restful, it now carries stress and expectations.
But over time, it became a tradition of men that you attended public worship ceremonies on Sabbath, even though that was not commanded, it's what people did.
By what God commanded, if you stayed home on the Sabbath and read scripture and spent time with your family, that would be observing the Sabbath, you're resting.

But once you have a required activity beyond "rest", dress up in business suits or nicer, go to a specific place at a specific time on someone's schedule, and do a specific thing that maybe you dislike doing (for me it's singing, I can't stand my voice or the way it feels in my chest like my whole body vibrates uncomfortably when I have to sing so it's pure obligation like a whip at my back)... that's obligation. That's work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The commandment says

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

We are to rest from works and labors so we can keep the Sabbath day holy

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

I do not believe the intent behind the Sabbath commandment is to be lazy and stay in bed all day. What is God telling us to do to keep the Sabbath day holy

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

We are told the Sabbath is about putting away all our secular activities and focusing on God.

How did Jesus and the apostles keep the Sabbath day holy?

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [i]to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are [j]oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”


Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

So we see clear examples from Scripture on how to keep the Sabbath day holy- going to church, reading Scripture, sharing the word of God, reasoning with the Scriptures, prayer, coming together with other like-minded Christians to hear the Word of God, preaching the Word of God. Jesus also tended to the sick and needy on the Sabbath

How will the saints be keeping the Sabbath in the New Heaven and New Earth

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord. (Holy convocation Lev 23:3)

Should we not try to prepare ourselves for heaven now? God's will in heaven is the same for us now.

 

[trophy33]

the 7th day is Holy since the beginning yes. But God did not specify that Noah should do anything regarding the 7th day. He also gave ALL animals to Noah and His descendants for food, not a particular kosher list.

even when the law was given to Moses, the 7th day Sabbath was specifically for rest. Don't do work. Don't even go out of your home. Rest. That's the specifics given by God. The purpose of the Sabbath is rest. That's what God did on the 7th day, was rest. They were not commanded to go to the tabernacle and sing songs, or the temple when that was built.

Now the feasts of the Lord, THOSE did have specific instructions that they were to gather and perform sacrifices/offerings and religious ceremonies, everyone had to go to the temple during the 3 pilgrimage feasts, Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. They were not required to go to the temple every Saturday.

Now comes the thing: People could CHOOSE to go to the temple on Saturdays
People could CHOOSE to go to synagogues on the Saturdays.
It was not COMMANDED.
It was chosen that that would be what their Sabbath activities would contain.
When freely chosen rather than obligated, it can still be restful. Just as doing recreational activity that involves physical exertion can still be restful for your mental and spiritual health even if you are physically tired after doing it.
When it is OBLIGATED, it stops being restful, it now carries stress and expectations.
But over time, it became a tradition of men that you attended public worship ceremonies on Sabbath, even though that was not commanded, it's what people did.
By what God commanded, if you stayed home on the Sabbath and read scripture and spent time with your family, that would be observing the Sabbath, you're resting.

But once you have a required activity beyond "rest", dress up in business suits or nicer, go to a specific place at a specific time on someone's schedule, and do a specific thing that maybe you dislike doing (for me it's singing, I can't stand my voice or the way it feels in my chest like my whole body vibrates uncomfortably when I have to sing so it's pure obligation like a whip at my back)... that's obligation. That's work.

I do not think Genesis 1 is a literal history, therefore I do not think the 7th day of the week is inherently holy or separated, therefore I do not think we are supposed to treat this day in some special way.

Genesis 1 was mythological creation drama, written as a prologue to the Hebrew Law, with the temple symbolism (7 sacred cycles) and as an alternative reasoning for the Jewish Sabbath (the older or the alternative one was the one mentioned in Deuteronomy - the Egyptian slavery).

Taking it literally or as for us today is a misunderstanding of the text, of its cultural context and of its theological purpose.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I think you might be misunderstanding what I am saying. First not everything is a commandment Neh 9:13

There are two main set of laws in the OT. All came from God, but God by design separated His law i.e. the Ten Commandments, this is a standalone unit Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Deut 5:22 personally finger written and spoken by God on stone for its eternal nature, it is His personal Testimony Exo 31:18, only the Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark of the covenant Exo 40:20 in His Most Holy which is also in heaven Rev 11:19 and all the other laws, statues, judgments ordinances other commandments were placed outside the ark handwritten by Moses on paper in a Book, placed outside as witness against Deut 31:24-26 and held all of the curses and blessings for breaking God's law the Ten Commandments.

If we do not have a good understanding of these two sets of laws, will make Paul almost impossible to understand, because he will often just use the word law and sometimes is referring to the Ten Commandments like Rom 7:7 Rom 7:12 and other times referring the law of Moses such as Gal 2:3 Gal 3:10 etc

There is one law that is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 holy, righteous and good Rom 7:12 that God said He will not alter Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18. Would this be the only law God wrote and God spoke, His personal Testimony personally written by our perfect Savior or something handwritten by man that was to be a witness against us. I am hoping we have a good understanding of the character of God to know how to answer this question.

The law of Moses was written on paper as paper fades and we clearly see laws from this unit that were temporary until the Seed came like all of the animal sacrifices for sin Heb 9:10-14 Heb 10:1-22 Eph 3:15 etc there has to be two sets of laws because one set define what sin is when broken (God's law) 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 etc and the other that was added (animal sacrifices) because of transgression for breaking God's law. God in the Ten Commandments connects His law to Creation Exo 20:11 because where there is no law there is no transgression Rom 4:15 Adam and Eve sinned so therefore broke God's law. Not just the command to not eat from the tree of good and evil but broke God's law when she saw the fruit was pleasant to the eye (Gen 3:6 ) so was coveting the fruit when God told her not to even go near. She stole the fruit when she took and ate it as it didn't belong to her. She broke the very first commandment when she ate because the other spirit told her she would be like god. All of the commandments are interconnected why breaking one, we break them all James 2:11-12. Cain knew it was sin to murder Abel, where is thou shalt not murder in? Where there is no law, there is no sin, why God's law is the standard for His people the way Jesus taught the intent behind the law Mat 5:19-30.

We can see the difference in these two sets of laws in the NT as well.

For example...

1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about?

There is nothing in the Ten Commandments about not to muzzle an ox

And Jesus said quoting from the Ten Commandments it is a commandment of God and had a pretty stern warning about replacing God's law quoting from the Ten Commandments, with mans traditions. This of course would apply to all of them.

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (quoting from Exo 20:1-17) , ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

No wonder why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments again quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mat 5:19-30

God's Testimony is for all people Rev 14:12 Rev 12:17 Rev 22:14 and we should keep them the way He asked because we need the faith of Jesus who kept John 15:10 them as our example and He came not just to die for our sins, but came to show us the righteous way to live following in His footsteps 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15

The bottom line, which you keep denying, is that keeping the Sabbath is NEVER commanded of Gentiles. That is a FACT that you CANNOT refute.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The bottom line, which you keep denying, is that keeping the Sabbath is NEVER commanded of Gentiles. That is a FACT that you CANNOT refute.

God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 the Sabbath is a commandment of God, this saith the Lord, why the Sabbath-rest remains for the people of God Heb 4:9NIV and the Greek word for rest in this verse literally translates into keeping the Sabbath. Seems pretty clear, if we are a people of God, we keep Gods commandments, His Covenant Promise which was still made to Israel and still has God's law, Heb 8:10 its not about being Jew or Gentile, but those with faith are grafted in and part of the Promise. Gal 3:26-29. If we have faith would be following what Jesus taught and lived or dismissing it. I believe we would be abiding in Him John 15:4,5,10 and following in His example 1 John 2:6 there is no other way John 15:6

Be well.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The bottom line, which you keep denying, is that keeping the Sabbath is NEVER commanded of Gentiles. That is a FACT that you CANNOT refute.

The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant is a profound subject with significant implications for biblical theology and Christian practice.
At the heart of this discussion lies the assertion that the Decalogue, as articulated in Exodus 34:28 and Deuteronomy 4:13, constitutes the very covenant God established with Israel. The text is explicit: “He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.” This identification of the commandments with the covenant itself underscores their enduring and foundational significance within the biblical narrative.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 introduces the prophetic promise of a “new covenant,” one that is distinguished not by a new set of laws, but by the internalization of God’s existing law. The prophet declares, “I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” This passage does not suggest the abrogation of the law, but rather its transformation from an external code to an internalized moral compass, written upon the very minds and hearts of God’s people.
Within this framework, the Sabbath commandment emerges as a critical test case. It is not merely one precept among many, but is uniquely described in Exodus 31:16-17 as a “perpetual covenant” and a “sign forever” between God and His people. The language of perpetuity and covenantal signification elevates the Sabbath to a status of enduring theological importance.

As the biblical texts confirms, the Ten Commandments are the covenant and the new covenant is characterized by the internalization of these laws, then the Sabbath, as an integral part of the Decalogue, must also be understood as retaining its relevance and authority. The new covenant does not negate the Sabbath, but rather inscribes its meaning more deeply within the believer’s consciousness and spiritual identity.

In conclusion, the theological logic that flows from the identification of the Ten Commandments as the covenant, and the new covenant as the internalization of God’s law, leads to the affirmation that the Sabbath is indeed a perpetual ordinance. Its observance, whether literal or spiritualized, remains a sign of the covenant relationship between God and His people, now written not on tablets of stone, but on the tablets of human hearts. This enduring principle invites continual reflection on the nature of divine law, covenant fidelity, and the rhythm of sacred time in the life of faith. The sabbath Command is for all of God's people, those who love Him and do his will.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant is a profound subject with significant implications for biblical theology and Christian practice.
At the heart of this discussion lies the assertion that the Decalogue, as articulated in Exodus 34:28 and Deuteronomy 4:13, constitutes the very covenant God established with Israel. The text is explicit: “He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.” This identification of the commandments with the covenant itself underscores their enduring and foundational significance within the biblical narrative.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 introduces the prophetic promise of a “new covenant,” one that is distinguished not by a new set of laws, but by the internalization of God’s existing law. The prophet declares, “I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” This passage does not suggest the abrogation of the law, but rather its transformation from an external code to an internalized moral compass, written upon the very minds and hearts of God’s people.
Within this framework, the Sabbath commandment emerges as a critical test case. It is not merely one precept among many, but is uniquely described in Exodus 31:16-17 as a “perpetual covenant” and a “sign forever” between God and His people. The language of perpetuity and covenantal signification elevates the Sabbath to a status of enduring theological importance.

As the biblical texts confirms, the Ten Commandments are the covenant and the new covenant is characterized by the internalization of these laws, then the Sabbath, as an integral part of the Decalogue, must also be understood as retaining its relevance and authority. The new covenant does not negate the Sabbath, but rather inscribes its meaning more deeply within the believer’s consciousness and spiritual identity.

In conclusion, the theological logic that flows from the identification of the Ten Commandments as the covenant, and the new covenant as the internalization of God’s law, leads to the affirmation that the Sabbath is indeed a perpetual ordinance. Its observance, whether literal or spiritualized, remains a sign of the covenant relationship between God and His people, now written not on tablets of stone, but on the tablets of human hearts. This enduring principle invites continual reflection on the nature of divine law, covenant fidelity, and the rhythm of sacred time in the life of faith. The sabbath Command is for all of God's people, those who love Him and do his will.

Amen! Great post

God writes His laws on the hearts and minds of His people, not on stony hearts, but hearts of flesh obeying Him through faith and love

Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Its why the Holy Spirit calls on us daily to not harden our hearts in rebellion (sin)

Heb 3: 7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,

Will we hear Him?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant is a profound subject with significant implications for biblical theology and Christian practice.
At the heart of this discussion lies the assertion that the Decalogue, as articulated in Exodus 34:28 and Deuteronomy 4:13, constitutes the very covenant God established with Israel. The text is explicit: “He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.” This identification of the commandments with the covenant itself underscores their enduring and foundational significance within the biblical narrative.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 introduces the prophetic promise of a “new covenant,” one that is distinguished not by a new set of laws, but by the internalization of God’s existing law. The prophet declares, “I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” This passage does not suggest the abrogation of the law, but rather its transformation from an external code to an internalized moral compass, written upon the very minds and hearts of God’s people.
Within this framework, the Sabbath commandment emerges as a critical test case. It is not merely one precept among many, but is uniquely described in Exodus 31:16-17 as a “perpetual covenant” and a “sign forever” between God and His people. The language of perpetuity and covenantal signification elevates the Sabbath to a status of enduring theological importance.

As the biblical texts confirms, the Ten Commandments are the covenant and the new covenant is characterized by the internalization of these laws, then the Sabbath, as an integral part of the Decalogue, must also be understood as retaining its relevance and authority. The new covenant does not negate the Sabbath, but rather inscribes its meaning more deeply within the believer’s consciousness and spiritual identity.

In conclusion, the theological logic that flows from the identification of the Ten Commandments as the covenant, and the new covenant as the internalization of God’s law, leads to the affirmation that the Sabbath is indeed a perpetual ordinance. Its observance, whether literal or spiritualized, remains a sign of the covenant relationship between God and His people, now written not on tablets of stone, but on the tablets of human hearts. This enduring principle invites continual reflection on the nature of divine law, covenant fidelity, and the rhythm of sacred time in the life of faith. The sabbath Command is for all of God's people, those who love Him and do his will.

I started a new thread with it, it proves without a doubt that the sabbath command is still in effect.

Blessings

 

[Jamdoc]

I started a new thread with it, it proves without a doubt that the sabbath command is still in effect.

Blessings

in which subforum?

anyway.. 2 issues:

1. Sabbath isn't listed among the rules given to Gentiles by the Apostles in Acts 15. Paul said not to judge each other on sabbaths or feast day keeping in both Romans 14 and Colossians 2.
2. How the Sabbath is observed. It was initially given as a day of rest, but people have turned it into a day of religious work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a big problem according to Scripture when we misunderstand Paul (even though was explained in detail Col 2:14-17 Rom 14 and not one person going through it to dispute ) over the plain teachings of Jesus Christ. Paul was commissioned to spread the gospel, not destroy what Jesus said plainly He did not come to destroy- His very own personal Testimony written by the finger of God or the Holy Spirit of Truth. Exo 31:18 Mat 5:17-30 Psa 89:34

2 Peter 3: 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

This sounds like destruction to me- thus saith the Lord
Mark 7:7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men
Mark 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
The Sabbath is a commandment of God, thus saith the Lord, no different than the commandment to only worship Him and not murder our neighbor.

Jesus said plainly who the Sabbath was made for- At least 5 times spoken out of the mouth of God Jesus told us to live by:

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Mark 2:27 “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

The Greek word Jesus used- Jew does not spell man.
anthrópos: Man, human, person, mankind
Original Word: ἄνθρωπος
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: anthrópos
Pronunciation: AN-thro-pos
Phonetic Spelling: (anth'-ro-pos)
Definition: Man, human, person, mankind
Meaning: a man, one of the human race.


Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

So, we can listen to Paul and know that many twist his words to their own destruction (so a salvation issue) or we can live by what Jesus told us to by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4

Paul can't save us only Jesus can through faith. How do we profess faith in Him but not listen to what He asks of us.

Paul never made that mistake keeping every Sabbath holy decades after the Cross. Act 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 etc.


God only claimed one day as His holy day, the holy day of the Lord, thus saith the Lord, not the one man assigned to Him He said was for work and labors Exo 20:9 the seventh day Sabbath is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 Exo 20:10. Over and over we see in the Scripture what happens when man defiles God's Sabbath. Why God wrote it in the same unit as only worshipping Him and not murder our neighbor. Its equally as important. Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Mat 5:19 James 2:11-12

Even the apostles taught we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

in which subforum?

The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant

The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant is a profound subject with significant implications for biblical theology and Christian practice. At the heart of this discussion lies the assertion that the Decalogue, as articulated in Exodus 34:28 and...

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anyway.. 2 issues:

1. Sabbath isn't listed among the rules given to Gentiles by the Apostles in Acts 15. Paul said not to judge each other on sabbaths or feast day keeping in both Romans 14 and Colossians 2.

Paul mentioned sabbath(S) there were many other sabbaths in the law of Moses Paul is referring to these sabbaths here. this becomes evident as we see throughout the new testament texts, Jesus the 12, Paul and others honouring the sabbath, plenty of verses to prove this.

2. How the Sabbath is observed. It was initially given as a day of rest, but people have turned it into a day of religious work.

is reading the Torah a religious work, is discussing and praising God a work? is this what you mean?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant

The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant is a profound subject with significant implications for biblical theology and Christian practice. At the heart of this discussion lies the assertion that the Decalogue, as articulated in Exodus 34:28 and...

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Paul mentioned sabbath(S) there were many other sabbaths in the law of Moses Paul is referring to these sabbaths here. this becomes evident as we see throughout the new testament texts, Jesus the 12, Paul and others honouring the sabbath, plenty of verses to prove this.

is reading the Torah a religious work, is discussing and praising God a work? is this what you mean?

If we don't understand this now, there will be almost no hope when Satan disguised as Jesus comes as an angel of light to deceive the whole world. Speaking things not in a deceptive way, but in a voice to imitate Jesus, but the saints will know Him by His teachings, telling people he changed God's times and laws Dan 7:25 when God plainly told us not a jot or tittle- meaning not something as small as a dot of an i or cross of an t yet alone an entire commandment or two. The devil has counterfeited everything God said, this world is our test, why Jesus told us to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:4

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Everyone who isn't blinded by false doctrine taught by churches like the Seventh-day Adventist church knows that keeping the Sabbath was NEVER commanded of the Gentiles or the church. There is no way around this no matter how hard some will try. Some people insist on being legalistic and it's sad to see.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Everyone who isn't blinded by false doctrine taught by churches like the Seventh-day Adventist church knows that keeping the Sabbath was NEVER commanded of the Gentiles or the church. There is no way around this no matter how hard some will try. Some people insist on being legalistic and it's sad to see.

Jesus in His own words said the ones that are blinded are the ones who lay aside the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:314

Sorry you don't include yourself as part of mankind, because Jesus claimed that's who the Sabbath is for, He is Lord of the Sabbath and the Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord thy God. God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 not just the Jews. Your argument is not really with or against me. Eze 22:26.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Jesus in His own words said the ones that are blinded are the ones who lay aside the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:314

Did He say that before or after the new covenant was put into effect? Before. Of course He would say that anyone who did not think it was important to follows the commands of God in the old covenant law of Moses were blinded because that was required at the time.

Sorry you don't include yourself as part of mankind, because Jesus claimed that's who the Sabbath is for, He is Lord of the Sabbath and the Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord thy God. God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 not just the Jews. Your argument is not really with or against me. Eze 22:26.

Show me the scripture which shows the commandment to keep the Sabbath being applied to Gentiles or to the church. You can't do it. Which of God's commandments are those verses referring to? It doesn't say The Ten Commandments, as you imagine. We are under the new covenant now. If you love God with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself then you can't go wrong.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Did He say that before or after the new covenant was put into effect? Before. Of course He would say that anyone who did not think it was important to follows the commands of God in the old covenant law of Moses were blinded because that was required at the time.

Where in Scripture says we are not to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ? God who became flesh, would His teachings ever lead us astray? He is the way the truth John 14:6, how can He be this if He ever taught something that didn't apply to us. We are told to have the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 how do we have the faith of Jesus by not listening to His teachings or following in His example 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-23 Heb 4:15 Perhaps you can tell us through Scripture what teachings are we to believe and live by of Jesus and which ones we are not to, because its not something I have found in my Bible. I know this is a popular doctrine, but not based on what Scripture says.

Show me the scripture which shows the commandment to keep the Sabbath being applied to Gentiles or to the church. You can't do it. Which of God's commandments are those verses referring to? It doesn't say The Ten Commandments, as you imagine. We are under the new covenant now.

Does Matthew 24 describe the rapture?

This kind of depends on whether you believe Genesis 1/2 to be literal historical records. If so, then God called the 7th day holy before even Noah. If we accept that Genesis 1/2 were written during the Babylonian exile around the 8th century BC as a mythical prologue of the Law, then we can set...

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Does Matthew 24 describe the rapture?

Ask yourself why the Sabbath was created. it was rest. God RESTED on the 7th day. That's why it's Holy. Because He Rested. Thats the issue, I do not need to ask myself, because my words matter not, what God say does Gen 2: 1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were...

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Does Matthew 24 describe the rapture?

This kind of depends on whether you believe Genesis 1/2 to be literal historical records. If so, then God called the 7th day holy before even Noah. If we accept that Genesis 1/2 were written during the Babylonian exile around the 8th century BC as a mythical prologue of the Law, then we can set...

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If you love God with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself then you can't go wrong.

Agreed, but love to God and love to man never went undefined, which Deut 5 Exo 20 make up what Jesus was quoting from Deut 6:5 as does Rom 13:9 sum up the second greatest commandment to love thy neighbor

 

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The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant

The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant is a profound subject with significant implications for biblical theology and Christian practice. At the heart of this discussion lies the assertion that the Decalogue, as articulated in Exodus 34:28 and...

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Paul mentioned sabbath(S) there were many other sabbaths in the law of Moses Paul is referring to these sabbaths here. this becomes evident as we see throughout the new testament texts, Jesus the 12, Paul and others honouring the sabbath, plenty of verses to prove this.

is reading the Torah a religious work, is discussing and praising God a work? is this what you mean?

dressing up in a business suit, traveling to a building on someone else's scheduled time, yes, that is work.

if you read scripture in your own home on your own time, that is rest.