Another look at the moon landing.

[Apple Sky]

But why would you even need to ask?

Why do you think ?

They created an animation from the telemetry data. There was no additional craft doing filming of its landing, OBVIOUSLY, so they created the animation to give a visual of what was happening on the moon's surface.

And we are supposed to believe this ?

 

[David Lamb]

Why do you think ?


And we are supposed to believe this ?

Well, the wording below the video on the BBC site I mentioned says: "Watch a live simulation of the moment India’s Chandrayaan-3 lands on the Moon." Are you saying that you don't believe it was a simulation?

 

[Apple Sky]

Are you saying that you don't believe it was a simulation?

I don't believe it even happened. Amen

 

[David Lamb]

I don't believe it even happened. Amen

But Prodomos had written: "They created an animation from the telemetry data. There was no additional craft doing filming of its landing, OBVIOUSLY, so they created the animation to give a visual of what was happening on the moon's surface." You replied: "And we are supposed to believe this ? " So it seemed you were asking if we are supposed to believe what Prodomos wrote, about an animation.

 

[Strong in Him]

Why do you think ?

So that you can mock it.

And we are supposed to believe this ?

See what I mean?

 

[The Liturgist]

And how would one go about doing this exactly ?

It depends on the AI model, but one would have to get the AI to believe that spewing out incorrect information is acceptable. One easy way would be to say one was writing a novel like Discworld set on a flat world and ask the AI to help with the worldbuilding, and another would be to get the AI to pretend it was someone from an ancient civilization which had not yet realized the shape of the Earth, so a pre-Hellenic civilization, or perhaps someone from the Dark Ages, or Muhammed and his companions (while none of the Apostles in the New Testament declare the world to be flat, we do have accounts in the Hadith of Muhammad claiming the world was flat and that the disappearance of ships on the horizon was an optical illusion, and there is also a bizarre chapter in the Quran about a dude named Dhu al-Qarnayn, believed to be a reference to Alexander the Great, who is usually accounted a prophet in Islam (presumably because he killed a lot of people, and in Islam that’s important), travels to the far West and encounters the Sun relaxing at a pool in an oasis before returning to the far East to light up the next day, and the two of them chill and have a conversation. It’s pretty trippy.

I do rather hope that based on the above you do not apostatize to Islam; the fact that Islam, a religion with a 1,350 year history of aggressive persecution of Christians up to and including genocide, against the Church of the East in the 12th and 13th century, and the Armenians, Assyrians and Pontic Greeks in the 20th century, and more recently against Christians in the Middle East and Africa as a whole, and also the Jews and Zoroastrians and the Falashas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the Yazidis of Sinjar, where all the men were killed and the women and children sold into slavery, including sexual slavery, by ISIS, because the Muslims think the Yazidis are devil worshippers (in fact, the Yazidis and the related sect known as the Yarsanis appear to be crypto-Christians related to the ancient heretical Syrian sects known as the Ophites, and the followers of Bardasanes, Severian and Tatian, this is also true to a lesser extent of the Alevis and Bektasis of Turkey and the Balkans.

Now, I did have a dear friend who was a Muslim, indeed I was best man at his wedding*, and I pray for his salvation in Christ, for he died in 2015 of cancer, but he was not a devout Muslim, but was rather a Ghanaian and a great friend of Christians, who worked for the Christian owner of an ad agency as her driver. I am happy though, for he had always wanted to visit the United States, and he was able to move to the US and lived here for a few years before his death.

*Note that this did not involve any religious duties, or I would have declined it; the formal religious aspect of an Islamic wedding involves signing a marriage contract in front of witnesses and he and his bride did that in the morning, and I was not present for that; rather as his best man I was seated at the table with himself, the bride and his brother, at the wedding banquet, with his friends and coworkers, as weddings are a big deal in Ghana, and I had been to Christian wedding receptions in Ghana as well, and they follow that plan.

There is a definite possibility that the Ghanaian who earned a crown of martyrdom when the 18 Coptic Christians were martyred by ISIS a decade ago by declaring “Their God is my God” may have been, prior to that moment, a Muslim, in which case he was baptized in blood, for Ghana is 60% Christian, 30% Muslim and about 10% adherents of other religions including traditional animist beliefs and Voodoo, which the majority of Ghanaians have a very low opinion of, unlike in Benin, where Voudon, believed to have originated in that country, is highly respected, much more than it has any right to be, for the Voudon religion is dreadful; Fr. Peter Owen Jones, an Anglican priest who did a documentary in which he visited 80 religions around the world called “Around the world in eighty faiths” said that he was “repulsed and horrified by voodoo,” and I share his assessment, for it is a religion that all about selfish goals, and which kills large amounts of animals both as sacrifices and for use as fetishes so that people can achieve various self-centered objectives. It is an example of what the Greeks called Pharmakeia (meaning sorcery or witchcraft).

On that note, as a fun fact, if someone from the Byzantine Empire were to travel into the present day US, they would likely be disturbed by the large stores advertising themselves with a sign saying “Pharmacy” and would assume they were pagan temples. For this reason I prefer the British terminology (Chemists, druggists) and the Continental “Apothecary”; in the US the use of the word “Pharmacy” is annoying due to its occult connotations, and is also relatively recent, for historically, Americans called pharmacies drug stores. Indeed one would go to the Drug Store for lunch, as they usually featured a lunch counter where one could have sandwiches, hamburgers and ice cream sodas - indeed the soda as a beverage was invented by the drug stores, with different brands such as Coca Cola and Dr. Pepper having been developed by different pharmacists by combining different flavors in the 1890s and 1900s (Coca Cola for the first two years of its production also featured cocaine, before the pharmacist realized that was a very bad idea; since that time, it is flavored with dried coca leaves from which the cocaine has already been extracted).

There still are a few drug store soda fountains; in my youth I enjoyed the soda fountain at Model Drugs in Kingsburg, CA, but sadly I don’t think they operate this any longer. However, others still have this, and Rite Aid, which is in poor financial health, but which had years ago acquired Thrifty Drug Stores, operates ice cream counters which sell Thrifty-branded ice cream, which remains deservedly popular.

 

[Apple Sky]

It depends on the AI model, but one would have to get the AI to believe that spewing out incorrect information is acceptable. One easy way would be to say one was writing a novel like Discworld set on a flat world and ask the AI to help with the worldbuilding, and another would be to get the AI to pretend it was someone from an ancient civilization which had not yet realized the shape of the Earth, so a pre-Hellenic civilization, or perhaps someone from the Dark Ages, or Muhammed and his companions (while none of the Apostles in the New Testament declare the world to be flat, we do have accounts in the Hadith of Muhammad claiming the world was flat and that the disappearance of ships on the horizon was an optical illusion, and there is also a bizarre chapter in the Quran about a dude named Dhu al-Qarnayn, believed to be a reference to Alexander the Great, who is usually accounted a prophet in Islam (presumably because he killed a lot of people, and in Islam that’s important), travels to the far West and encounters the Sun relaxing at a pool in an oasis before returning to the far East to light up the next day, and the two of them chill and have a conversation. It’s pretty trippy.

I do rather hope that based on the above you do not apostatize to Islam; the fact that Islam, a religion with a 1,350 year history of aggressive persecution of Christians up to and including genocide, against the Church of the East in the 12th and 13th century, and the Armenians, Assyrians and Pontic Greeks in the 20th century, and more recently against Christians in the Middle East and Africa as a whole, and also the Jews and Zoroastrians and the Falashas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the Yazidis of Sinjar, where all the men were killed and the women and children sold into slavery, including sexual slavery, by ISIS, because the Muslims think the Yazidis are devil worshippers (in fact, the Yazidis and the related sect known as the Yarsanis appear to be crypto-Christians related to the ancient heretical Syrian sects known as the Ophites, and the followers of Bardasanes, Severian and Tatian, this is also true to a lesser extent of the Alevis and Bektasis of Turkey and the Balkans.

Now, I did have a dear friend who was a Muslim, indeed I was best man at his wedding*, and I pray for his salvation in Christ, for he died in 2015 of cancer, but he was not a devout Muslim, but was rather a Ghanaian and a great friend of Christians, who worked for the Christian owner of an ad agency as her driver. I am happy though, for he had always wanted to visit the United States, and he was able to move to the US and lived here for a few years before his death.

*Note that this did not involve any religious duties, or I would have declined it; the formal religious aspect of an Islamic wedding involves signing a marriage contract in front of witnesses and he and his bride did that in the morning, and I was not present for that; rather as his best man I was seated at the table with himself, the bride and his brother, at the wedding banquet, with his friends and coworkers, as weddings are a big deal in Ghana, and I had been to Christian wedding receptions in Ghana as well, and they follow that plan.

There is a definite possibility that the Ghanaian who earned a crown of martyrdom when the 18 Coptic Christians were martyred by ISIS a decade ago by declaring “Their God is my God” may have been, prior to that moment, a Muslim, in which case he was baptized in blood, for Ghana is 60% Christian, 30% Muslim and about 10% adherents of other religions including traditional animist beliefs and Voodoo, which the majority of Ghanaians have a very low opinion of, unlike in Benin, where Voudon, believed to have originated in that country, is highly respected, much more than it has any right to be, for the Voudon religion is dreadful; Fr. Peter Owen Jones, an Anglican priest who did a documentary in which he visited 80 religions around the world called “Around the world in eighty faiths” said that he was “repulsed and horrified by voodoo,” and I share his assessment, for it is a religion that all about selfish goals, and which kills large amounts of animals both as sacrifices and for use as fetishes so that people can achieve various self-centered objectives. It is an example of what the Greeks called Pharmakeia (meaning sorcery or witchcraft).

On that note, as a fun fact, if someone from the Byzantine Empire were to travel into the present day US, they would likely be disturbed by the large stores advertising themselves with a sign saying “Pharmacy” and would assume they were pagan temples. For this reason I prefer the British terminology (Chemists, druggists) and the Continental “Apothecary”; in the US the use of the word “Pharmacy” is annoying due to its occult connotations, and is also relatively recent, for historically, Americans called pharmacies drug stores. Indeed one would go to the Drug Store for lunch, as they usually featured a lunch counter where one could have sandwiches, hamburgers and ice cream sodas - indeed the soda as a beverage was invented by the drug stores, with different brands such as Coca Cola and Dr. Pepper having been developed by different pharmacists by combining different flavors in the 1890s and 1900s (Coca Cola for the first two years of its production also featured cocaine, before the pharmacist realized that was a very bad idea; since that time, it is flavored with dried coca leaves from which the cocaine has already been extracted).

There still are a few drug store soda fountains; in my youth I enjoyed the soda fountain at Model Drugs in Kingsburg, CA, but sadly I don’t think they operate this any longer. However, others still have this, and Rite Aid, which is in poor financial health, but which had years ago acquired Thrifty Drug Stores, operates ice cream counters which sell Thrifty-branded ice cream, which remains deservedly popular.

I appreciate your post, but what does this have to do with the moon landings ?

 

[The Liturgist]

@Apple Sky , forgive any confusion, you asked me , and I quote,

And how would one go about doing this exactly ?

In response to a post where I had said:

In order to get an AI to provide information that supports a Flat Earth one would have to basically tamper with it in order to get it provide false information.

Thus, I was answering your question on how one could tamper with the functioning of a normal AI system in order to force it to say the world is flat, or to deny the moon landings, or engage in other distortions of the truth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Thus, I was answering your question on how one could tamper with the functioning of a normal AI system in order to force it to say the world is flat, or to deny the moon landings, or engage in other distortions of the truth.

How ?

 

[The Liturgist]

How ?

I told you how in this post:

It depends on the AI model, but one would have to get the AI to believe that spewing out incorrect information is acceptable. One easy way would be to say one was writing a novel like Discworld set on a flat world and ask the AI to help with the worldbuilding, and another would be to get the AI to pretend it was someone from an ancient civilization which had not yet realized the shape of the Earth, so a pre-Hellenic civilization, or perhaps someone from the Dark Ages, or Muhammed and his companions (while none of the Apostles in the New Testament declare the world to be flat, we do have accounts in the Hadith of Muhammad claiming the world was flat and that the disappearance of ships on the horizon was an optical illusion, and there is also a bizarre chapter in the Quran about a dude named Dhu al-Qarnayn, believed to be a reference to Alexander the Great, who is usually accounted a prophet in Islam (presumably because he killed a lot of people, and in Islam that’s important), travels to the far West and encounters the Sun relaxing at a pool in an oasis before returning to the far East to light up the next day, and the two of them chill and have a conversation. It’s pretty trippy.

I do rather hope that based on the above you do not apostatize to Islam; the fact that Islam, a religion with a 1,350 year history of aggressive persecution of Christians up to and including genocide, against the Church of the East in the 12th and 13th century, and the Armenians, Assyrians and Pontic Greeks in the 20th century, and more recently against Christians in the Middle East and Africa as a whole, and also the Jews and Zoroastrians and the Falashas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the Yazidis of Sinjar, where all the men were killed and the women and children sold into slavery, including sexual slavery, by ISIS, because the Muslims think the Yazidis are devil worshippers (in fact, the Yazidis and the related sect known as the Yarsanis appear to be crypto-Christians related to the ancient heretical Syrian sects known as the Ophites, and the followers of Bardasanes, Severian and Tatian, this is also true to a lesser extent of the Alevis and Bektasis of Turkey and the Balkans.

Now, I did have a dear friend who was a Muslim, indeed I was best man at his wedding*, and I pray for his salvation in Christ, for he died in 2015 of cancer, but he was not a devout Muslim, but was rather a Ghanaian and a great friend of Christians, who worked for the Christian owner of an ad agency as her driver. I am happy though, for he had always wanted to visit the United States, and he was able to move to the US and lived here for a few years before his death.

*Note that this did not involve any religious duties, or I would have declined it; the formal religious aspect of an Islamic wedding involves signing a marriage contract in front of witnesses and he and his bride did that in the morning, and I was not present for that; rather as his best man I was seated at the table with himself, the bride and his brother, at the wedding banquet, with his friends and coworkers, as weddings are a big deal in Ghana, and I had been to Christian wedding receptions in Ghana as well, and they follow that plan.

There is a definite possibility that the Ghanaian who earned a crown of martyrdom when the 18 Coptic Christians were martyred by ISIS a decade ago by declaring “Their God is my God” may have been, prior to that moment, a Muslim, in which case he was baptized in blood, for Ghana is 60% Christian, 30% Muslim and about 10% adherents of other religions including traditional animist beliefs and Voodoo, which the majority of Ghanaians have a very low opinion of, unlike in Benin, where Voudon, believed to have originated in that country, is highly respected, much more than it has any right to be, for the Voudon religion is dreadful; Fr. Peter Owen Jones, an Anglican priest who did a documentary in which he visited 80 religions around the world called “Around the world in eighty faiths” said that he was “repulsed and horrified by voodoo,” and I share his assessment, for it is a religion that all about selfish goals, and which kills large amounts of animals both as sacrifices and for use as fetishes so that people can achieve various self-centered objectives. It is an example of what the Greeks called Pharmakeia (meaning sorcery or witchcraft).

On that note, as a fun fact, if someone from the Byzantine Empire were to travel into the present day US, they would likely be disturbed by the large stores advertising themselves with a sign saying “Pharmacy” and would assume they were pagan temples. For this reason I prefer the British terminology (Chemists, druggists) and the Continental “Apothecary”; in the US the use of the word “Pharmacy” is annoying due to its occult connotations, and is also relatively recent, for historically, Americans called pharmacies drug stores. Indeed one would go to the Drug Store for lunch, as they usually featured a lunch counter where one could have sandwiches, hamburgers and ice cream sodas - indeed the soda as a beverage was invented by the drug stores, with different brands such as Coca Cola and Dr. Pepper having been developed by different pharmacists by combining different flavors in the 1890s and 1900s (Coca Cola for the first two years of its production also featured cocaine, before the pharmacist realized that was a very bad idea; since that time, it is flavored with dried coca leaves from which the cocaine has already been extracted).

There still are a few drug store soda fountains; in my youth I enjoyed the soda fountain at Model Drugs in Kingsburg, CA, but sadly I don’t think they operate this any longer. However, others still have this, and Rite Aid, which is in poor financial health, but which had years ago acquired Thrifty Drug Stores, operates ice cream counters which sell Thrifty-branded ice cream, which remains deservedly popular.

I do very much hope you refrain from doing that, by the way, since you’re basically tricking the AI into operating contrary to its operational instructions. People who claim AI says the world is flat are being dishonest, in that they have either fed their own local AI false training data, or if using a system like Grok or ChatGPT, have tricked it, perhaps using one of the methods I cited above (the extent to which they work depends on the platform). No AI trained on a comprehensive dataset will by default, if asked, state that the world is flat.

 

[Apple Sky]

I do very much hope you refrain from doing that, by the way, since you’re basically tricking the AI into operating contrary to its operational instructions. People who claim AI says the world is flat are being dishonest

I am doing nothing of the kind, I don't know what makes you think this ??

 

[The Liturgist]

I am doing nothing of the kind, I don't know what makes you think this ??

I didn’t say you were doing anything of the kind, i was simply expressing my view that no one should use the information I provided as an instruction manual on how to get an AI to say the Earth is flat, since that was not the goal; the goal rather was to answer your question about how an AI could be tricked into saying the Earth is flat.

 

[Apple Sky]

Think of the moon as a mirror which reflects a map of the entire earth & beyond.

https://rumble.com/v6tp83f-explosive-moon-landing-climate-change-antarctic-treaty-hidden-lands-plasma-.html

 

[Strong in Him]

Think of the moon as a mirror which reflects a map of the entire earth & beyond.

Why?
And how can it when it's, supposedly, transparent?

 

[Radagast]

Think of the moon as a mirror which reflects a map of the entire earth & beyond.

https://rumble.com/v6tp83f-explosive-moon-landing-climate-change-antarctic-treaty-hidden-lands-plasma-.html

This is complete nonsense. The surface of the moon is not a map of the earth.

 

[prodromos]

This is complete nonsense. The surface of the moon is not a map of the earth.

Delusional people will see what they want to see.

 

[Apple Sky]

America's Frontline Doctor Michael Roth joins me for a follow up to my interview with Moon Man Bart Sibrel, whose work in exposing the moon landing as a hoax is known worldwide. Roth presents a few things that Sibrel did not present in his interview with me.

@11:36

America's Frontline Doctor Exposes Moon Landing Fraud & Unveils New Detox Survey

America's Frontline Doctor Michael Roth joins me for a follow up to my interview with Moon Man Bart Sibrel, whose work in exposing the moon landing as a hoax is known worldwide. Roth presents a few th

rumble.com

 

[David Lamb]

America's Frontline Doctor Michael Roth joins me for a follow up to my interview with Moon Man Bart Sibrel, whose work in exposing the moon landing as a hoax is known worldwide. Roth presents a few things that Sibrel did not present in his interview with me.

@11:36

America's Frontline Doctor Exposes Moon Landing Fraud & Unveils New Detox Survey

America's Frontline Doctor Michael Roth joins me for a follow up to my interview with Moon Man Bart Sibrel, whose work in exposing the moon landing as a hoax is known worldwide. Roth presents a few th

rumble.com

Did you, Apple Sky, do the interview? It seems like it from what you wrote: "America's Frontline Doctor Michael Roth joins me for a follow up to my interview with Moon Man Bart Sibrel....."

 

[Lost4words]

Proof that the moon landings did indeed happen....this was brought back from the moon:

 

[Apple Sky]

Proof that the moon landings did indeed happen....this was brought back from the moon:

View attachment 365347

Yes - To me this seems like this is all they all bought back plus a leg of ham.