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Who Decides the Right Interpretation of the Bible?

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know how people in the bible knew someone received The Holy Spirit inside? When they heard them speak in tongues and prophesy. That's the true test.


Did you read Deuteronomy 13?

It opens with how to test a prophet.

(CLV) Dt 13:1
In case there arises a prophet or a dreamer of dreams among you, and he gives to you a sign or a miracle,

(CLV) Dt 13:2
and the sign or the miracle comes about, of which he spoke to you, saying-: Do let us go after other elohim (whom you have not known), and let us serve them,

(CLV) Dt 13:3
you shall not hearken to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams because Yahweh your Elohim is probing you to know whether you are loving Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

A prophet who speaks against YHWH's word is not a true prophet.
 
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Did you read Deuteronomy 13?

It opens with how to test a prophet.

(CLV) Dt 13:1
In case there arises a prophet or a dreamer of dreams among you, and he gives to you a sign or a miracle,

(CLV) Dt 13:2
and the sign or the miracle comes about, of which he spoke to you, saying-: Do let us go after other elohim (whom you have not known), and let us serve them,

(CLV) Dt 13:3
you shall not hearken to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams because Yahweh your Elohim is probing you to know whether you are loving Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

A prophet who speaks against YHWH's word is not a true prophet.

I'm not sure what you're going on about.

NT scripture (Acts of the apostles) has plenty of examples of people receiving The Holy Spirit inside, maybe you should acquaint yourself with some of them.
 
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NT scripture (Acts of the apostles) has plenty of examples of people receiving The Holy Spirit inside, maybe you should acquaint yourself with some of them.
I'm well familiar with these righteous men who kept the Torah. Let's not jump to biased conclusions.

Are you familiar with the people who received Ruach Ha'Kodesh in the TaNaK?

They too did not speak against the Torah.
 
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Without getting Revelation men can't right interpretation of the bible.so Apostle Paul says ;

For I make known to you, brothers, that the gospel which was proclaimed by me is not according to man. For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:11-12
 
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Without getting Revelation men can't right interpretation of the bible.so Apostle Paul says ;

For I make known to you, brothers, that the gospel which was proclaimed by me is not according to man. For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:11-12

I feel you are correct and it is something I left out of my OP. Revelation is the correct way we can know what the Bible means. However, I find so few people are given this kind of revelation. Don't know if I can even claim myself to have this kind of revelation.
 
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Well, that is certainly true. I am also concerned for well-being of the millions.
And the best way , is why when I do and OP , I use the GREEK TEXT , and all will see when you

ADD or SUBSTITUTE and many do !!

And I do know that many other Greek words can be used !!

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Such as when Mary was bodily assumed into heaven or not. Before death or after? NVM that it is not historically tenable that she was assumed into heaven at all.
Strike 2.

This is settled Theology.

If you study the early Church, you will find it is not a recent belief at all but has it's roots all the way back to the early Church.
 
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If all Christians can rightly divide the Word of Truth, then why are there so many different interpretations? This is the linchpin of my argument which you have ignored.
There are at least three operations that explain the differences in interpretation: What evil/lie of Satan that a people or person has to fight, how learned and intelligent someone is in the Scriptures, and the fact that we are doing this operation with fallen fleshly brains.

We are on a live-fire battlefield having to make relatively quick decisions to deal with our struggle against "principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Ephesians 6:12) At least, that's the way it has been for my whole life. These enemies are fallen angels. Without the Holy Spirit, we would have no chance. As it is, the Holy Spirit has to deal with fallen processors that are damaged by both sin we commit and sin committed against us. We're fortunate that we don't have worse divisions than we do. Nevermind that well over half of the population has to be dedicated to labor to sustain our fallen bodies, making it difficult for most people to have an in-depth knowledge of Scripture.

But another problem I'm noticing here is that the reasons cited that other people are misinterpreting the Bible are as diverse as the misinterpretations we think the other people are doing. For example, my failure to keep the law in the matter of ham and swiss cheese sandwiches probably doesn't fully explain my CPTSD, which probably is why I would interpret Ephesians 6:4 differently than someone else. Someone else with loving and friendly parents could take a different view of that passage. The real answer is probably "all of the above and more that we didn't mention".

Meanwhile, my literary background is trying to take me by the hand and pull me toward "let's research all the denominational viewpoints, understand the history of how they got to a certain viewpoint and take the average, because that stacks the most brain cells on the problem and eventually we'll figure it out." But we're dealing with God here, so even if I could read every piece of Biblical scholarship ever produced (impossible), God's knowledge would still exceed my own by orders of magnitude.

Basically I would stress the need for minute-by-minute guidance and prayer for each aspect of spiritual warfare.

Proverbs 3:5-6 said:
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

If we rely on our own understanding (or even the understanding of others) to interpret Scripture we are already doomed anyway. We must take knowledge from Scripture by the power of the Holy Spirit to interpret the Scripture, and we must ask for God's help via prayer so His Sovereignty may illuminate our view.
I find it interesting that there are over 45.000 Christian denominations that disagree on at least 45,000 different Theological points; but they all share one belief in common. They all believe that they are led by the Holy Spirit.
I'm pretty sure all of them are, except the ones that are no longer in operation. I was recently on the ARDA website researching SDAs and Presbyterians, and I noticed a lot of links in their historical family trees that were no longer active. So the 45,000 number may need to be adjusted to reflect active and current denominations, not just every one in history. We don't need to deal with churches that no longer exist.

Regarding the OP, I simply pointed out that YHWH gave authority to the Sons of Zadok to judge controversy in matters of scripture.
And how am I supposed to find a "Son of Zadok" today?

How many times did our Lord rebuke the Israelites for their incorrect interpretations of His Word in the Prophets, or rebuke them for completely disregarding His Law altogether?

What nation had the Pharisees leading them? How many times did our Lord rebuke them and pronounce woes on them?

How many times did the Judaizers disrupt Paul's ministry and unsettle his Gentile converts?

I cannot accept an unqualified Jewish interpretation of the Scriptures as THE authority to which all other interpretations must submit. While they might have a better knowledge of Hebrew than other theological professionals (like those at the Dallas Theological Seminary or in the halls of the Masters' College) the Jewish people have a long historical record of glaring Scripture misinterpretation. I can convey on them no particular advantage in this regard.

On one who understands Hebrew and Greek better than I do convey an advantage; that's just a matter of respect.

Matthew 18:18-20 said:
18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

Now, the context of this is confronting people who are sinning - a context where Scripture interpretation is vital to be correct! And the Lord says He will see to it that His Word is interpreted correctly. How? Clearly, a multiplicity of interpretations must be admitted, and we must be slow to act, not acting quickly and rashly. (Proverbs 29:30)

Yah's law is Yahshua's law.

(CLV) Jn 7:16
Jesus, then, answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 7:17
If anyone should be wanting to be doing His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is of God or I am speaking from Myself.

(CLV) Mt 19:16
And lo! one coming to Him said, "Teacher, what good shall I be doing that I should be having life eonian?"

(CLV) Mt 19:17
Yet He said to him, "Why are you asking Me concerning good? One is good. Yet if you are wanting to be entering into life, keep the precepts."
Do you believe that those Gentiles who confess Christ as Lord and do not keep the Law will fail to inherit the Kingdom of God?

I could mount a debate against that, but I want to be sure that's what I'm debating against.

James 1:1 said:
James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,

To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad:

Greetings.

James 4:11-12 said:
11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?

I most certainly would not want to be judging the law in disobedience to this verse, which I believe your position states that it applies to me. Ironically, that is the standard interpretation my church uses, to claim all of James as prescriptive for believers in Christ. That is why we do not rebuke our brothers and sisters in Christ who chose to keep the Torah literally as a cultural matter and therefore the matter is otherwise a stalemate. The reverse applies as well, since James was literally written to literal Jews.

As James wrote, we are all guilty of all of the Law because we have all stumbled at one point; all need Christ to save them, and the veil in the temple was torn in two. Nobody can actually keep the Law anymore anyway, the temple and sacrifices are gone. It is the moral law, the Decalogue, that remains, along with the prohibitions against sexual immorality and blood drinking. Which, in God's sovereignty, I believe releases the Jewish people from the Law if they choose to walk free; but if they want to keep other parts to honor the Lord, I am not in a place to judge.
 
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Strike 2.

This is settled Theology.

If you study the early Church, you will find it is not a recent belief at all but has it's roots all the way back to the early Church.

Does that Catholic church say that Mary was alive or dead when she was assumed into heaven?

Tell me an early source before the fifth century that is orthodox that believed in the assumption of Mary.
 
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Does that Catholic church say that Mary was alive or dead when she was assumed into heaven?
His Church doesn't define it
Tell me an early source before the fifth century that is orthodox that believed in the assumption of Mary.
Haha, you want me to do your homework? I'll give you a hint, Emperor Marcian
 
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I propose that the answer has been staring us in the face all along. Something a child could get right, but the most sophisticated theologians get wrong.
An example of a sophisticted theologian is a cesstionist who takes pride in having a doctorate degree in theology more so than believing or desiring one or more of the nine special gifts (1 Corinthians 12) that are still available today as God wills.

1 Corinthians 40:1-40 - "But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way." (always seems to be a problem for charismatics).
1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue [1] does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. [2]
 
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And how am I supposed to find a "Son of Zadok" today?
You might start by building correspondence with Levites. I've met quite a few. You could also read their writings.
How many times did our Lord rebuke the Israelites for their incorrect interpretations of His Word in the Prophets, or rebuke them for completely disregarding His Law altogether?
Is an Israelite the same as a son of Zadok?
How many times did the Judaizers disrupt Paul's ministry and unsettle his Gentile converts?
Define Judaizers.
I cannot accept an unqualified Jewish interpretation of the Scriptures.
Define Jewish. Are you saying that the sons of Zadok are not qualified?
 
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So the 45,000 number may need to be adjusted to reflect active and current denominations, not just every one in history. We don't need to deal with churches that no longer exist.
Was there a dramatic change since last year; or is it that you know more than most experts?

With centuries of schisms, reformations, and theological disputes, Christianity has fractured into a wide array of denominations. While an exact count is elusive, most experts estimate there are around 45,000 different Christian denominations globally as of 2024.


Oh by the way, I have seen similar numbers, from multiple sources, for over a decade.
 
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Do you believe that those Gentiles who confess Christ as Lord and do not keep the Law will fail to inherit the Kingdom of God?
What does Yahshua say about the anomians?
 
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Are you saying that the sons of Zadok are not qualified?
No.

Ezekiel 44:15-24 said:
15 “But the priests, the Levites, the sons of Zadok, who kept charge of My sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from Me, they shall come near Me to minister to Me; and they shall stand before Me to offer to Me the fat and the blood,” says the Lord God. 16 “They shall enter My sanctuary, and they shall come near My table to minister to Me, and they shall keep My charge. 17 And it shall be, whenever they enter the gates of the inner court, that they shall put on linen garments; no wool shall come upon them while they minister within the gates of the inner court or within the house. 18 They shall have linen turbans on their heads and linen trousers on their bodies; they shall not clothe themselves with anything that causes sweat. 19 When they go out to the outer court, to the outer court to the people, they shall take off their garments in which they have ministered, leave them in the holy chambers, and put on other garments; and in their holy garments they shall not sanctify the people.

20 “They shall neither shave their heads nor let their hair grow long, but they shall keep their hair well trimmed. 21 No priest shall drink wine when he enters the inner court. 22 They shall not take as wife a widow or a divorced woman, but take virgins of the descendants of the house of Israel, or widows of priests.

23 “And they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and the unholy, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. 24 In controversy they shall stand as judges, and judge it according to My judgments. They shall keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed meetings, and they shall hallow My Sabbaths.

I would be quite foolish to disqualify their writings without having actually read them. But does this qualification here extend to instruct Gentile believers in Christ today? That's quite the question to think about. At the very least, the sons of Zadok are declared exempt from the historical examples I mentioned earlier by Ezekiel here and their opinions would definitely be something to consider. (And where did the God-fearing sons of Zadok end up during the time of the Pharisees?) Much research, that I have to do.
Define Judaizers.
People who harassed Gentile converts in Paul's day, claiming that they needed to keep the law of Moses and be circumcised. Their efforts lost momentum when the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.

What does Yahshua say about the anomians?
Anomian means "person who does not believe that Jesus Christ is God". Christ denounced those people with much grief.

Matthew 11:21 said:
“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

Matthew 23:37 said:
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Christ claimed to be God, and these people rejected this truth.

I do not know what this has to do with what I said earlier.

Antinomian would fit this conversation better - that means "person who believes that grace in Christ frees one from observance to all moral laws". I am not an antinomian, even to the point of pain and suffering. But as far as I know, Jesus did not address antinomians, rather legalist Pharisees. It is Paul who denounced antinomians as enemies of the cross of Christ in Philippians 3:17-19 and confronted them in Romans 6:1-4.

Those who think they can willfully continue in sin both damage themselves and make a mockery of Christ's suffering. :( It is not a light thing for me to consider the agonizing death Christ suffered on my behalf and the horrendous level of wrath He endured so a damaged person like me could be healed. (At the least I should attempt to avoid the sin that placed Him there - should I add to His suffering?) One must avoid both extremes and walk the middle path, for legalism is cruelty to others, and antinominalism is thoughtless cruelty toward God.

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Other reasons for the diversity of Scripture interpretations have occurred to me, though not relevant to whom I am responding to there. I think the tensions between Calvinism and Armenianism, and also legalism and antinomianism, may also explain interpretive diversity. A finite mind trying to understand an infinite being is simply not possible. The fact that we even think we know who God is may be quite the pride, though He did reveal Himself in the Scriptures and we need to trust that. That is another theological tension.

I also don't think that finite humans may even be able to emotionally handle all of God either, though I may be quite biased in that assessment. Still, the Scripture records John falling at Jesus' feet "as though dead" in Revelation 1, and other characters have been overwhelmed by fear in the presence of the Lord.

But the answer may be far simpler: after all, the Bible is a book. Every other book I have ever read has been subject to a multiplicity of interpretation, it only makes sense that this one would too, and obviously for every book there are interpretations that are correct and incorrect. Correctness is evaluated on how well the interpretation matches up with the rest of the book, and all the information presented. That would leave the answer to the title of the thread "You do, and I do, and all other Christians do too." which leaves the matter unsatisfying to me because it seems arrogant, if possibly accurate. Best to defer the correctness back to the unknowable Author. Still, God in his sovereignty had to know all of this would happen when He inspired written revelation.

Much to ponder, indeed.
 
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I feel you are correct and it is something I left out of my OP. Revelation is the correct way we can know what the Bible means. However, I find so few people are given this kind of revelation. Don't know if I can even claim myself to have this kind of revelation.

Revelation knowledge is one of the main ways The Holy Spirit teaches a Christian, He also teaches by experience.

Any born again Christian can have it if they seek the filling of The Holy Spirit.
 
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And I do know that many other Greek words can be used !!
What does this sentence even mean? Are you saying there is a widespread misrepresentation of the original language? Are you referring to other texts besides the Textus Receptus? I'm confused.
 
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I feel you are correct and it is something I left out of my OP. Revelation is the correct way we can know what the Bible means. However, I find so few people are given this kind of revelation. Don't know if I can even claim myself to have this kind of revelation.
You may not be thinking of direct revelation in practical terms. Consider these verses...

Matt 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.​
Matt 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.​
Matt 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.​
1 Cor 2:10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.​

ἀποκαλύπτω, translated "reveal" or "revealed" in these verses is not speaking of revelations that are given only to a select few. These revelations are necessary for anyone to know God or the things of God. Without these direct revelations, God and the things of God are unknowable.

The NT also uses other words to convey the idea that God reveals Himself, His will, and knowledge of the truth to people in whom He lives. Consider these verses, for example...

John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest ("ἐμφανίζω") Myself to him.”​
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach ("διδάσκω") you all things, and bring to your remembrance ("ὑπομιμνῄσκω") all things that I said to you.​

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide ("ὁδηγέω) you into all truth; for He will not speak ("λαλέω") on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak ("λαλέω"); and He will tell ("ἀναγγέλλω") you things to come.​
So, in practical terms, saying that we need God to reveal the truths of Scripture to us in order to have the correct interpretation is absolutely correct. And only to the extent that we are attentive to Him is our interpretation worth anything.
 
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