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Did God change anything from what they were when Jesus walked on water or was physics as we know it still in effect during that event? What about His resurrection? Did God change anything outside of the ordinary to make that happen?
What’s your problem? How many times did I say that their conclusions are perfectly logical and reasonable? I haven’t “complained” about anything in this entire discussion. Quote where I complained about anything scientists say. Why are you being so combative when all I’m doing is participating in the discussion? I haven’t said anything derogatory towards you, scientists, or Christians who believe in an old earth.
You need to go back and read who is writing what because I haven’t said anything like that. I already clarified that I was speaking about the vast majority of scientists who don’t believe in God not every scientist on the planet. I specifically told you that already so why are you still making false accusations against me? And I never once said that scientists are being dishonest in their work. You’re confusing other people’s posts with mine.
Why God would do what? Speed up the natural processes in order to complete His creation in 6 days? No I can’t answer that question, all I can do is quote the Bible saying that He did in fact create the heavens and the earth and the seas and everything in them in 6 days. I can also quote scientists pointing out the fact that the materials in the earth appear to be 4.5 billion years old because of isotopic decay. Then I can take both of those pieces of information and formulate possible reasons how both can be true. If God sped up the natural process of rocks forming then it shouldn’t be entirely implausible that other natural processes associated with rocks forming might be sped up as well like isotopic decay for example. You guys keep trying to insert this idea that He deliberately made isotopes decay at a faster rate or just inserted the decay in there to deceive everyone when it could’ve just been a byproduct of the accelerated formulation of rocks because if He did create the earth in 1 day like the Bible says then obviously we all know that rocks don’t naturally form in 1 day so naturally we would have to conclude that the process of rocks forming was accelerated. So why does accelerated isotopic decay have to be the result of deception on God’s part? Why can’t it just be a reasonable side effect of rocks forming at an accelerated rate?
So are you saying that scientists say that bones found in the earth look old due to isotopic decay? But that they’re really young?
Then I am truly sorry for my mistake, and I hope you accept my humble apologies. Please understand that it wasn't intentional. I am pleased to see we agree on several things, so I'd be happy leaving it at that. I thank you for the conversation, it's been stimulating.
The only method for dating bones with radiometric dating is C14 dating which is extremely inaccurate and can theoretically only go back approximately 50,000 years. They get the millions of years by testing igneous rocks found in the sedimentary layers near the bones.
I completely understand that sometimes text can often be read in a way that appears to be derogatory when it’s not actually intended. A lot of times I’ll try to go out of my way to include polite statements that express the manner in which I’m trying to convey my message but I often forget to when I’m in a hurry. Most of my replies have been while I was at work and I get in such a hurry to reply that I forget to include those polite statements. I’m a truck driver and my company has a GPS and a camera in my truck to make sure employees aren’t stopping and sitting somewhere too long so I have to be really quick with my responses. So I tend to be really blunt and straight to the point because I don’t have time to really cultivate my replies. So I completely understand how my posts may have seemed to be impolite but that was not my intention friend. I’ve studied this subject quite a bit because it’s really important to me to understand the truth of God’s word and to convey His message the way He intended it. I’ve done a lot of reading about all of the dating methods from credible secular sources, NOT Christian sources. I’ve also watched every single debate Kent Hovind had with scientists on this subject and you can really learn a lot from what the scientists admit in these videos. I didn’t pay too much attention to what Kent Hovind said because he’s biased. What I found most interesting is what the scientists said admitting that radiometric dating isn’t completely reliable and those predictions are based on the idea that certain factors must be true in order for their predictions to be accurate. I’ve also studied every single usage of the Hebrew words translated to “day” in the Old Testament and the particular spelling “Yovm” is always used in reference to either a 24 hour period or daytime as opposed to night time. Most people will use Strong’s Concordance that combines all of the different variations of the word Yovm into one definition and translates the word as Yom no matter what the actual spelling is. Biblehub on the other hand is much more accurate because it shows the specific spelling of each word. It doesn’t translate every usage of the word “day” to Yom like Strong’s Concordance does. Instead it uses the specific spelling like Yovm, Beyovm, Yamim, or Yamei, etc. A lot of people will point to passages like Genesis 2:4 or Genesis 2:17 where phrases like “in the day that God created heaven and earth” or “in the day that you eat of it you will surely die” and say “see Yom can mean a period of time that is not 24 hours”. But that’s incorrect because the Hebrew word being used there is “Beyovm”. The prefix “Be” means “in the”. Beyovm can mean a period of time other than 24 hours but Yovm by itself is never once used that way in the entire Old Testament. The Jews used the term “in the day” pretty much the same way we use it today. For example we might say “back in the day” or “back in my day” but neither of those terms are intended to refer to an actual 24 hour period. That’s exactly how the Hebrews used the word Beyovm. Sometimes it can refer to a 24 hour period but not always, but Yovm is the word used in Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:11. So I can’t retranslate or interpret the word Yovm into whatever definition I want, I have to translate it as it is used in every other example given in the Old Testament, I can’t just ignore that for the sake of making my theology coincide with what scientific evidence suggests, so I have to look for alternative possibilities. And in my studies I found that there are circumstances where scientists could be wrong because they’re not expecting that a miraculous event took place. I investigated into gap theory and it completely ignores Genesis 2:2-4 and Exodus 20:11. Both of these specifically state that God created everything in 6 days. I just can’t ignore that. Another thing I’ve noticed is the progression of technological advancement by man. Did you know that historians believe that the wheel was invented around 3500BC? That seems strange to me given that man, homo sapien sapien, has existed for around 300,000 years and for 295,000 years the concept of a simple wheel completely eluded man. Yet in just the last 5,000 years of man’s existence we’ve managed to accomplish space travel, worldwide communications, smart phones, worldwide flight, computers, etc, etc. I just can’t help but to think that this seems disproportionate. 295,000 years to figure out a wheel when man has been observing rocks and logs rolling down hills for 300,000 years? But if you put man’s existence starting 6000 years ago, 500 years to figure out how to build a wheel doesn’t seem so inconceivable. It actually, in my opinion, seems more proportionate to the rest of man’s technological achievements. I have to go now but I just wanted to say that I’ve put a lot of effort into studying this subject and weighing the evidence and I have to go with what seems to be most likely given the evidence in scripture and everything I’ve learned.Then I am truly sorry for my mistake, and I hope you accept my humble apologies. Please understand that it wasn't intentional. I am pleased to see we agree on several things, so I'd be happy leaving it at that. I thank you for the conversation, it's been stimulating.
No my answer is that the rocks look old due to isotopic decay, not the bones themselves.
His interpretation sounds really good when you isolate Genesis 1 from Genesis 2:2-4 and Exodus 20:11. When you apply those verses to the equation the idea that interpretation that the heavens and the earth were created before day 1 falls apart.
Then why do the bones look and test old? I know dating can go back only about 50,000 years but that’s still a far cry from a 6000 years old earth.
Reshiyth (H7225) means beginning. Bereshith means in the beginning. The prefix “Be” means “in the”. Bereshith doesn’t mean when. Nowhere in the entire Old Testament is Reshiyth translated as “when”. It’s used 51 times in the OT and is translated as beginning, first, firstfruits, and chief. It’s never translated as when.
Be does not mean "in the". Ha- means "the" and there is no definite article in the original Hebrew.
What are your resources to study all of this? Because I mostly find material that is old earth creation oriented, or sites I distrust like Answers in Genesis or CMI.
There’s no “Ha” in Beyovm which means in the day and if you look at all the usages of Reshiyth you’ll see a common theme in all 51 usages of the word in the Old Testament. It’s used to indicate the start or something that is first or foremost. Hence the translation of the word to first, first fruits, chief, and beginning which all have a common meaning. The word “when” doesn’t fit that common theme amongst the rest of the usages in the OT.
