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One cannot deny God's words, they are all written in plain English for all to read.
i. The Bible was not written in English.
ii. The Bible was not written to teach us how God's earth, world and universe behave. GOD created them - therefore has control, and is sovereign, over them - that's all we need to know. He has given us the ability to discover, study and investigate his creation, and doing so does not mean that people doubt, or don't believe, his words of truth, love and salvation.
iii. Reading and interpreting are 2 different things.
 
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Well if you can't see it by now you never will.
Like I said, you can't explain it.

The shape of the earth has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not a person accepts Jesus, believes that he died for them, asks to be filled with his Spirit, has eternal life and so on.
Either you can't see that, or you don't want to accept it. Well don't then - enjoy your conversations with globe earthers in heaven.
 
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No but it does give us a inclination that someone is lying when it comes too space travel
No, it's got nothing to do with it.
And saying that Christian astronauts who testify to walking on the moon, are lying is YOU bearing false witness and slagging off God's children.
 
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Well don't then - enjoy your conversations with globe earthers in heaven.

Well this won't be long as my health is declining like crazy, but I will take your words on board.
 
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No one is interpreting anything just reading & quoting God's words.
You're not, though.
You were asked where Genesis 1 teaches that the earth is flat. You replied by quoting verses about the firmament.
Previously you have even agreed that Genesis does not teach the shape of the earth - so stop saying that people who accept a globe earth do not believe Genesis.
 
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Well this won't be long as my health is declining like crazy, but I will take your words on board.
I'm sorry your health is declining.
Honestly though, the shape of the earth has nothing to do with salvation. There are flat earthers who do not believe in God and never read the Bible; there are many globe earth Christians who love Jesus and believe in and teach the Bible.
Saying, "they can't do", is nonsense and a waste of time - we do.
 
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Well this won't be long as my health is declining like crazy, but I will take your words on board.
I am so sorry to read about your health problems. I pray that our great God will heal you, and meanwhile give you relief, patience, and anything else you need in your situation. May God richly bless you!
 
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Previously you have even agreed that Genesis does not teach the shape of the earth - so stop saying that people who accept a globe earth do not believe Genesis.

How can they when Genesis 1 say's otherwise ?
 
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How can they when Genesis 1 say's otherwise ?
But as Strong in Him and I have asked you several times, where does Genesis 1 even mention the shape of the earth? Where does Genesis 1 say that the earth is not a globe, or that the earth is a flat disc? (I haven't forgotten about your health problems, so only reply if you really feel up to it. I will quite understand if you don't reply).
 
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Where does it say it is not ?
Thanks for replying. I said that Genesis 1 doesn't mention the shape of the earth. Strong in Him had written: "Previously you have even agreed that Genesis does not teach the shape of the earth - so stop saying that people who accept a globe earth do not believe Genesis." You replied : "How can they when Genesis 1 say's otherwise ?" So my earlier question stands. Tell us the verse from Genesis 1 that you think teaches that the earth is not a sphere.
 
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Tell us the verse from Genesis 1 that you think teaches that the earth is not a sphere.

All of it ..........

 
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All of it ..........

Well here is all of it:

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the third day. Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; "and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind"; and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so. Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.” (Ge 1:1-31 NKJV)

I have just read all 31 verses again, and I can't see one that mentions the shape of the earth. You say all of it does. Where does "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth" mention the earth's shape? Where does "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food" mention the earth's shape? Where does Genesis 1 as a whole mention the earth's shape?
 
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Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; "and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good

There's no mention of a globe/ball or the planets either.
 
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God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth
Well, not every single verse in Genesis 1 shouts "a flat earth!", but the whole cosmological context of Genesis 1 is about a flat earth without any vast space etc.

Stars are just lights in the firmament, according to Genesis. Everything is totally earth-centric. And the earth does not even mean a planet, it simply means dry land among all the primordial waters. One mass of waters are hold above by the firmament and the second mass of waters is the ocean around the flat earth.
 
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There's no mention of a globe/ball or the planets either.
There doesn't have to be.
WE are not the ones saying, "Genesis 1 teaches a globe earth" and "you can't believe in Genesis 1 if you believe a flat earth" - you are the one who is saying this.

You have been told that Genesis 1 does not teach the shape of the earth. You have had it all written out for you, and have even provided us with a link so that we can read it.
Yet you can't quote the verses where God says, "then I created a flat earth", or "then I created the moon and stars to shine over a flat earth", or "then I made creatures to populate the flat earth".
Of course you can't - they're not there.

So due to your failure to show us exactly where a flat earth is taught in the creation story, will you please stop saying things like, "they can't believe in a globe earth and believe Genesis 1"?
We can and do - deal with it.
 
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Well, not every single verse in Genesis 1 shouts "a flat earth!", but the whole cosmological context of Genesis 1 is about a flat earth without any vast space etc.

Stars are just lights in the firmament, according to Genesis. Everything is totally earth-centric. And the earth does not even mean a planet, it simply means dry land among all the primordial waters. One mass of waters are hold above by the firmament and the second mass of waters is the ocean around the flat earth.

Yes & we all know what you think about Genesis 1 don't we ? :(
 
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Yes & we all know what you think about Genesis 1 don't we ? :(
How can I know what you all know? I think that Genesis 1 is a mythological drama and Genesis 1 a mythological narrative, like also some other chapters.
 
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