Trump accepts 400 million dollar bribe.

[Bradskii]

I completely understand your concern. However, it is not a bribe unless it is accepted in exchange for a favor.

That's quite a naive position. A bribe is an inducement to the person receiving it to treat the person offering it in a beneficial manner. What that might be doesn't need to be expressly specified at that time. But it obviously taints any future dealings. And that is the problem here. You must not just act honestly. You just be seen to act honestly.

Yeah, this is Trump we are talking about, where those terms don't seem to apply. But apply they must.

 

[stevil]

While Biden is the type to be easily pushed around, I doubt this president would think twice about feeling any sort of "obligation" after receiving a gift.

LOL

Trump would fire his own mother if she stepped out of line on his dime, and without a second thought.

D Trump was found guilty in court of 34 counts of federal crimes.
He was found liable of sexual assault.
He was found to have accepted money from his father without paying the required taxes, although due to statue of limitations, got off scott free.
His Trump university was found to be a scam.
His lawyer went to prison for Campaign finance crimes while himself as co-conspirator 1 got off because he was president.

But you say he is such an upstanding citizen, almost a saint. OK!

But the point remains, when Trump is done with this plane, it will belong to the United States of America. Unlike a party or a prostitute as you compared it to.

It is a gift for his personal use (maybe). Do you know how much it would cost to use a plane for 3 years?
Anyway, I'm not too sure on the details, hopefully it isn't a personal gift to him.
The French after all, gifted USA a statue of a lady about liberty, although I hear that that want her back as USA no longer values the words written on her.

 

[stevil]

Funny how the bar in US politics for bribes is so much worse than in private business.

Typically in most countries there are large rules about government employees accepting gifts.

Rules on Gifts in the Federal Government

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Rules on Gifts in the Federal Government​

Government ethical rules restrict giving and accepting gifts among employees and from outside interests. Policies on exchanges of gifts among employees—as well as on acceptance of gifts or hospitality from other sources—are set by government-wide rules found in the Code of Federal Regulations at 5 CFR 2635 201–205 and 301–304. Employees with questions regarding whether the giving or acceptance of a gift, gratuity or anything else of value should contact their supervisors and designated agency ethics officials.

However, in USA the president is immune from the law. So he can accept gifts and the law be _amed
Also it seems the Supreme Court justices are exempt from gift laws too, just ask Clarence Thomas.

Most other USA presidents and other SCOTUS out of dignity, ethics and self respect do not accept gifts of value.

 

[Nithavela]

Please what.

While Biden is the type to be easily pushed around, I doubt this president would think twice about feeling any sort of "obligation" after receiving a gift. Trump would fire his own mother if she stepped out of line on his dime, and without a second thought.

Trump changes his tune and treatment of others without a second thought (and maybe even without a first thought) when they give him nice compliments.

Also, once again. It's not the change of behaviour AFTER taking a bribe that is ethically wrong, it's taking the bribe in the first place.

But the point remains, when Trump is done with this plane, it will belong to the United States of America. Unlike a party or a prostitute as you compared it to.

If I stole your car and drove it for three years and then gave it back to you, is it no longer theft because it belongs to you again?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Qatar gave 1.3 billion to Hamas

The 400M to Trump is the huge problem?

Call me crazy, but putting the president of the United States into an airplane given to him by the same government that gave Hamas over $1 billion seems like a spectacularly bad idea.

But hey- I'm sure Trump knows best ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[DaisyDay]

Well, it's not

I've been to the Statue of Liberty. When does the plane open for visitors?

 

[DaisyDay]

Typically in most countries there are large rules about government employees accepting gifts.

Rules on Gifts in the Federal Government

Government ethical rules restrict giving and accepting gifts among employees and from outside interests. Policies on exchanges of gifts among ...More

www.fedweek.com

Rules on Gifts in the Federal Government​

Government ethical rules restrict giving and accepting gifts among employees and from outside interests. Policies on exchanges of gifts among employees—as well as on acceptance of gifts or hospitality from other sources—are set by government-wide rules found in the Code of Federal Regulations at 5 CFR 2635 201–205 and 301–304. Employees with questions regarding whether the giving or acceptance of a gift, gratuity or anything else of value should contact their supervisors and designated agency ethics officials.

However, in USA the president is immune from the law. So he can accept gifts and the law be _amed
Also it seems the Supreme Court justices are exempt from gift laws too, just ask Clarence Thomas.

Most other USA presidents and other SCOTUS out of dignity, ethics and self respect do not accept gifts of value.

And then there is still the Emoluments Clause:

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
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[Maria Billingsley]

Trump says planned gift of luxury plane from Qatar is a very ‘transparent’ deal

News of present known as ‘flying palace’ from royal family to replace Air Force One has ignited accusations of bribery and corruption

www.theguardian.com

So the new air force one will belong to not to the office of president but to Donald Trump. A bribe pure and simple.

Is this administration going to continously ignore the constitution? Jezz...


* The Emoluments Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the U.S. Constitution): This clause explicitly states that a person holding office under the U.S. cannot accept any gift from a foreign state without the consent of Congress.

* The Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act (FGDA) of 1966 (as amended): This act provides the specific procedures for accepting and handling gifts from foreign governments and officials, including the "minimal value" provision and the process for gifts exceeding that value becoming property of the U.S.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I completely understand your concern. However, it is not a bribe unless it is accepted in exchange for a favor. Unless you have proof of that, all you have a is a worry, not a fact.

Let’s not be naive children here. No one gives a $400 million gift without expecting something in return. We have proof of a very expensive gift to a very easily corruptible man. That’s more than enough cause for concern.

 

[Larniavc]

Well, it's not

Is so.

 

[Meowzltov]

Trump says planned gift of luxury plane from Qatar is a very ‘transparent’ deal

News of present known as ‘flying palace’ from royal family to replace Air Force One has ignited accusations of bribery and corruption

www.theguardian.com

So the new air force one will belong to not to the office of president but to Donald Trump. A bribe pure and simple.

I'm listening to a radio news station right now and it is saying that the plane is being gifted to the US, not Trump. However, Trump said something to indicate that when he leaves office he will take it with him.

I'm not sure why the Guardian reported it differently. Either my radio station is wrong, or the Guardian is wrong. I'm not sure which.

 

[Meowzltov]

Let’s not be naive children here. No one gives a $400 million gift without expecting something in return.

I agree it is suspicious.

BTW, the Guardian news report is being contradicted by my radio station and I have no idea which report is correct. The radio station is saying the plane was gifted to the US, not Trump.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Your kids only get 2 dolls this Christmas. The convicted felon-in-chief gets a plane.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

New Trump golf course, $5.5 billion beachside project announced for Qatar

The announcement of a golf resort in Qatar underscores the deepening ties between Trump's affiliated company and Gulf nations.

www.newsweek.com

LOL!

Absolute, naked, corruption.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Your kids only get 2 dolls this Christmas. The convicted felon-in-chief gets a plane.

Most kids have two hands, just how many dolls can they play with?

 

[Belk]

President Trump to America : "We needs to tighten our belts. Kids only need a couple of dolls and a few pencils. I on the other hand need a 400 million dollar plane and a 90 million dollar parade on my birthday."

 

[Aryeh Jay]

President Trump to America : "We needs to tighten our belts. Kids only need a couple of dolls and a few pencils. I on the other hand need a 400 million dollar plane and a 90 million dollar parade on my birthday."

You wold think the parade would be free. The military loves putting on long sleeve uniforms and marching on asphalt in heat and humidity on a day they would normally be off.

God bless  Kim  Vlad umm Donald J. Trump.

 

[DaisyDay]

I agree it is suspicious.

BTW, the Guardian news report is being contradicted by my radio station and I have no idea which report is correct. The radio station is saying the plane was gifted to the US, not Trump.

If it were a gift to the USA then the USA should sell it and apply the proceeds to the national debt, rather than incur additional expense .to make it suitable security-wise.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I'm listening to a radio news station right now and it is saying that the plane is being gifted to the US, not Trump. However, Trump said something to indicate that when he leaves office he will take it with him.

I'm not sure why the Guardian reported it differently. Either my radio station is wrong, or the Guardian is wrong. I'm not sure which.

Neither is entirely wrong - Trump would get to use the plane while in office, and then it would be transferred to his presidential library foundation at the end of his term. Technically, Trump wouldn't own it, but it seems likely that he'd be able to continue using it.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Honestly, I am all for President Donald Trump flying around in this beautiful gift. I'm sure J. D. Vance will also approve.