The law of Yahweh

[SabbathBlessings]

Who is born again, received a new heart. This is Christianity 101. And what God wants from us is written in these hearts. We do not live according to the letters written in stone or on a paper. Our conscience is enlightened by the Holy Spirit to guide us properly.

Interestingly, there is no Sabbath law written in our hearts. To believe it is for us, somebody must be influenced by E. White or similar external source, first.

I only quoted Scripture, most a thus saith the Lord. Your disagreement is not with me but with the Text

 

[SabbathBlessings]

A heart "set on the flesh" is not a born-again heart, and keeping the law won't fix that.

And not keeping God's law, won't fix anything either, its not the way to have our heart close to Him. Mat 15:3-14

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[trophy33]

I only quoted Scripture, most a thus saith the Lord. Your disagreement is not with me but with the Text

You do not understand what you are quoting. You are mixing everything together, not realizing that born again Christians are a new creation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You do not understand what you are quoting. You are mixing everything together, not realizing that born again Christians are a new creation.

Don't tell me what I understand or don't understand, please. The rules are address the post not the poster. Show me from Scripture why you don't believe what I posted is true. Your words because you say so its not a good argument against what God said plainly.

 

[Clare73]

And not keeping God's law, won't fix anything either, its not the way to have our heart close to Him. Mat 15:3-14

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

I Jn 2:4 refers to Jesus' commandments (1 Jn 2:1-2); e.g., Jn 13:34.

Is it Scripture by doctrine, or doctrine by Scripture?

I'm seein' a lot of Scripture by doctrine.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I Jn 2:4 refers to Jesus' commandments (1Jn 2:1-2) .

So Jesus is not God now? And God and Jesus have different laws and different wills? Basically God and Jesus are divided?

No, they are not different. No saint (saved) is breaking the commandments of God and they have the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12- meaning what did Jesus teach and how did He live, why 1 John 2:6 says - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. If we are abiding in Him, we are keeping His commandments John 15:10 the same ones Jesus taught and lived by.

 

[trophy33]

Don't tell me what I understand or don't understand, please. The rules are address the post not the poster. Show me from Scripture why you don't believe what I posted is true. Your words because you say so its not a good argument against what God said plainly.

It is addressing your post. You do not understand the verses you have quoted. You are mixing everything together. Even the requirement "show me from Scripture" shows you simply stick to the written letter, only.

Christians are born again:
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” J 3:3

Christians have the laws of the Lord in their hearts:
“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Heb 10:16

And our hearts are not deceiving, but reliable:
Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 1 J 3:21

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It is addressing your post. You do not understand the verses you have quoted. You are mixing everything together. Even the requirement "show me from Scripture" shows you simply stick to the written letter, only.

Christians are born again:
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” J 3:3

Christians have the laws of the Lord in their hearts:
“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Heb 10:16

And our hearts are not deceiving, but reliable:
Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 1 J 3:21

And why do you think becoming a new creation means one is sinning and breaking God's law? Paul made this point very clear.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

What is sin again?

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:10-12 11 For He (God) who said, quoting and contrasting from the Ten Commandments, breaking one we break them all )“Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
Rom 7:7 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

And Heb 8:10 only reinforces that God wrote His law in our hearts and minds, instead of deleting His law.

Why would someone with a new heart go around sinning and breaking God's law and being an enmity to God and dishonoring Him? That's not a doctrine from Jesus but from the great deceiver 1 John 3:8

 

[Clare73]

So Jesus is not God now?

I give up. . .is he?

And God and Jesus have different laws and different wills? Basically God and Jesus are divided?

Again, I give up. . .are they?

No, they are not different.

Depends on whether the abolished Old Covenant (Heb 8:13), based on the Decalogue, still applies in the New Covenant.

Everything I read, starting with the words of Jesus, speaks of a new commandment (Jn 13:34, Ro 13:8-10).

No saint (saved) is breaking the commandments of God and they have the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12- meaning what did Jesus teach and how did He live, why 1 John 2:6 says - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. If we are abiding in Him, we are keeping His commandments John 15:10 the same ones Jesus taught and lived by.

"Him/he" here refer to Jesus (1 Jn 2:1-2). . .and keeping Jesus' commands.
Christians are no longer under the rule of the Mosaic law, for Jesus fulfilled that Law for us and established a New Covenant of grace.
Too much emphasis on OT law here and not enough emphasis on NT grace.

The NT focuses on grace and faith, rather than law.
This is not a NT focus when it comes to grace and law.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Jesus was born, lived, preached and died under the Old Covenant. He responded to Biblical questions according to the Old Covenant.

The Lord Jesus was baptised in affirmation by God, of a baptism of water for the remission of sin. A baptism of water for the remission of sin, is a categorical violation of the Old Covenant Law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I give up. . .is he?

Again, I give up. . .are they?

Depends on whether the abolished Old Covenant (Heb 8:13), which was based on the Decalogue, still applies in the New Covenant.

Everything I read, starting with the words of Jesus speak of a new commandment (Jn 13:34, Ro 13:8-10)


Christians are ho longer under the rule of the Mosaic law, for Jesus fulfilled that Law for us and established a New Covenent of grace.

So grace means we can sin and break God's law? That's not biblical Rom 6:1-2

The Ten Commandments is not the Mosaic law according to God's own Testimony sad, people think they know better than our Maker

Moses is not God. God is not Moses.

Who's covenant and law is the Ten Commandments?

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Exo 32:16 16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Whose Testimony is one arguing with?
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The New Covenant was not established on new or better laws, it is established on better promises Heb 8:6 because you can't make something written and spoken by our perfect Savior, more perfect Psa 19:7 God just wrote His law on a better surface and has better promises of how we can keep God's law, that He wrote in our heart, instead of deleting them. Heb 8:10

But God loves us so much He established a New Covenant and instead of deleting His laws, He wrote them in our hearts and minds and its based on what He will do, if we are willing to submit to Him and obey Him through love and faith. He won't force us, because love has to come from the heart. If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15, those who keep their traditions/laws in lieu of Gods commandments quoting from the Ten Commandments one worships in vain and their heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14. I don't think its wise to gloss over the warnings of Jesus Christ. When He comes no one can say, well I didn't know.

Sad this is even a debate. Its the strong delusion we were warned about, like its okay to disobey God and His commandments, when it has never worked out for anyone in the entire Bible. Thank you God it doesn't go on forever. Once Jesus comes our decisions will be sealed Rev 22:11, today we have time to change who we obey and serve Rom 6:16, but who knows what tomorrow brings, just like many who wished they got on the ark before God shut the door and it was too late.

 

[Clare73]

So grace means we can sin and break God's law?

Does it? . . .I didn't know that. . .

That's not biblical Rom 6:1-2
The Ten Commandments is not the Mosaic law according to God's own Testimony sad, people think they know better than our Maker
Moses is not God. God is not Moses.

But Jesus is. . .and it is his teaching you are minimizing.

Who's covenant and law is the Ten Commandments?

It's the Old Covenant, which God has abolished (Heb 8:13).

"Go and learn what this means." (Mt 9:13)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Does it? . . .I didn't know that. . .


But Jesus is. . .and it is his teaching you are minimizing.

Which teaching the one where Jesus said not to keep our own laws/traditions over the commandment of God quoting from the Ten Commandments? The one I keep quoting hoping it will be read and lived by

Jesus is God and He is the one who wrote the Ten Commandments, that I am not minimizing at all, I am advocating we are to live by just as Jesus told us to Mat 4:4

It's the Old Covenant which God has abolished (Heb 8:13).

"Go and learn what this means.{
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Yes, but as shown instead of deleting His covenant, He wrote a new one established on better promises Heb 8:6 and it still has God's law, just as God promised He would not alter His Words, Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18 so He wrote His law on a better surface our hearts and minds for His New Covenant believers Heb 8:10 we can still rebel and not keep God's law and have our hearts far Him Mat 15:3-14 the choice is ours.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Anyway, I am going to bow out of this discussion for now. The whole Bible is about the testimony of Jesus Christ through the apostles and the prophets. Yet when it comes to God's own personal Testimony Exo 31:18, written by GOD Himself, as if there is anyone greater than He, man shoots it down. Nothing new understand the sun and its sad humanity even got to the point that we are arguing against only worshipping God, only using His name in a holy manner, not bowing to false images, keeping His Sabbath day holy, so we are not profaning Him Eze 22:26, not murdering our neighbor, or stealing, or coveting. How is this even an argument. All over one commandment, the one God said Remember and the one that is a sign between God and His people, when keeping, the way He said Eze 20:20

 

[Clare73]

Which teaching the one where Jesus said not to keep our own laws/traditions over the commandment of God quoting from the Ten Commandments? The one I keep quoting hoping it will be read and lived by

Jesus is God and He is the one who wrote the Ten Commandments, that I am not minimizing at all, I am advocating we are to live by just as Jesus told us to Mat 4:4

Yes, but as shown instead of deleting His covenant, He wrote a new one

No, the Old Covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13), the New Covenant is not like the Old Covenant (Heb 8:9).

established on better promises Heb 8:6

Precisely. . .

That being we follow the law put in our minds and written on our hearts (Heb 8:10), rather than performing a written code.

 

[Clare73]

The Lord Jesus was baptised in affirmation by God, of a baptism of water for the remission of sin. A baptism of water for the remission of sin, is a categorical violation of the Old Covenant Law.

Jesus addressed that.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Jesus addressed that.

Indeed. That baptism was of God. In direct contradiction to the Old Covenant Law.

 

[Soyeong]

“Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul is well-pleased. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.

“He will not cry out or raise His voice, Nor make His voice heard in the street.​

“A crushed reed He will not break And a faintly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will bring forth justice in truth.​

“He will not be faint or crushed Until He has established justice in the earth; And the coast lands will wait expectantly for His law.”​

Thus says the God, Yahweh, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread out the earth and its offspring, Who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk in it,

“I am Yahweh, I have called You in righteousness; I will also take hold of You by the hand and guard You, And I will give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon And those who inhabit darkness from the prison.​

“I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.​

“Behold, the former things have come to pass; Now I declare new things; Before they spring forth I cause you to hear them.”​

Isa 42:1-9 LSB

Wait for his law.
For finding fault with them, He says,

“BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL COMPLETE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH; NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.​

“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND UPON THEIR HEARTS I WILL WRITE THEM. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.​

“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.​

“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE.”​

When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Heb 8:8-13 LSB

A new covenant has new laws, a new priesthood, and a new sacrifice. The law of Yahweh is is written upon the heart and it is new.

The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could be free to continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first placed, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10). A covenant established by God's word made flesh does not involve doing something other than or contrary to God's word.

 

[Aldebaran]