Supreme Court debates if religious parents can opt kids out of LGBT school lessons

[Michie]

The U.S. Supreme Court is weighing the extent to which parents can opt their children out of public school instruction in which LGBT-themed books are read as part of the curriculum.

The Supreme Court heard oral argumentson Tuesday morning in the case of Mahmoud, Tamer, et al. v. Taylor, Thomas W., et al. The case centers on whether public school parents in Montgomery County, Maryland — the state's largest school district — have a constitutional right under the First Amendment to exempt their children from public school lessons that feature LGBT ideology.

Eric Baxter of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty argued the case on behalf of a diverse coalition of Christian, Muslim and Jewish parents, saying in his opening arguments that "petitioners deserve complete preliminary relief" from the school district because it won't allow them to opt their children out of such instruction.

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Supreme Court debates if religious parents can opt kids out of LGBT school lessons

The U S Supreme Court is weighing the extent to which parents can opt their children out of public school instruction in which LGBT-themed books are read as part of the curriculum

www.christianpost.com

 

[FireDragon76]

The court needs to set a standard that doesn't open the door to religious exemptions for anything and everything. Otherwise, there's no point in having a curriculum. Merely presenting material that offends religious sensibilities hasn't been ruled in the past as unconstitutional, it must include more active teaching against a particular religious doctrine (eg, if a biology class were used as an opportunity to explicitly attack the Virgin Birth, etc.).

 

[hedrick]

My religion accepts mainstream science and history. I’d want to know if my (hypothetical) kids are ever subjected to things like intelligent design, if slavery or the evils of the Reconstruction are downplayed in history, or if health class teaches ethics I disagree with. I trust it isn’t only conservative Christians who have rights. I think if parents from all viewpoints try to assert their rights things could get difficultr

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The court needs to set a standard that doesn't open the door to religious exemptions for anything and everything. Otherwise, there's no point in having a curriculum. Merely presenting material that offends religious sensibilities hasn't been ruled in the past as unconstitutional, it must include more active teaching against a particular religious doctrine (eg, if a biology class were used as an opportunity to explicitly attack the Virgin Birth, etc.).

So, open the door to children to have immoral text read to them?

Yeah, this is safer than having religious exemptions.

 

[hedrick]

So, open the door to children to have immoral text read to them?

Yeah, this is safer than having religious exemptions.

Maybe, but realize that I may have a different view of what is immoral. We can certainly have lists of what you can and can't say to various groups of kids. I think that's going to get hard. It may be best either to drop out of schools whose policies you don't agree with or talk with your kid about what they're being taught. I don't think the Supreme Court is allowed to say what religious doctrines have rights and what don't.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Maybe, but realize that I may have a different view of what is immoral. We can certainly have lists of what you can and can't say to various groups of kids. I think that's going to get hard. It may be best either to drop out of schools whose policies you don't agree with or talk with your kid about what they're being taught. I don't think the Supreme Court is allowed to say what religious doctrines have rights and what don't.

You view of what's immoral isn't what God sees as immoral.

The Ten Commandments clearly tells us what God sees as immoral, and our society today sees morality as something relevant to the
individual.

Society today follows hedonism for its moral desires, not God's divine will.

 

[Yarddog]

The U.S. Supreme Court is weighing the extent to which parents can opt their children out of public school instruction in which LGBT-themed books are read as part of the curriculum.

The Supreme Court heard oral argumentson Tuesday morning in the case of Mahmoud, Tamer, et al. v. Taylor, Thomas W., et al. The case centers on whether public school parents in Montgomery County, Maryland — the state's largest school district — have a constitutional right under the First Amendment to exempt their children from public school lessons that feature LGBT ideology.

Eric Baxter of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty argued the case on behalf of a diverse coalition of Christian, Muslim and Jewish parents, saying in his opening arguments that "petitioners deserve complete preliminary relief" from the school district because it won't allow them to opt their children out of such instruction.

Continued below.

Supreme Court debates if religious parents can opt kids out of LGBT school lessons

The U S Supreme Court is weighing the extent to which parents can opt their children out of public school instruction in which LGBT-themed books are read as part of the curriculum

www.christianpost.com

Just where do public schools teach LGBTQ "ideology"?

 

[RileyG]

Just where do public schools teach LGBTQ "ideology"?

You can search on YouTube about outraged parents at school board meetings regarding LGBT ideology. I cannot post it because of explicit content.

 

[RileyG]

My religion accepts mainstream science and history. I’d want to know if my (hypothetical) kids are ever subjected to things like intelligent design, if slavery or the evils of the Reconstruction are downplayed in history, or if health class teaches ethics I disagree with. I trust it isn’t only conservative Christians who have rights. I think if parents from all viewpoints try to assert their rights things could get difficultr

I entirely agree, but why does LGBT+ need to be taught? Other from an ACADEMIC perspective? Then, that's fine.

 

[Yarddog]

You can search on YouTube about outraged parents at school board meetings regarding LGBT ideology. I cannot post it because of explicit content.

People saying LGBTQ ideology doesn't mean that it is ideology. Teaching children that people are different and we need to respect them isn't teaching ideology.

 

[RileyG]

People saying LGBTQ ideology doesn't mean that it ideology. Teaching children that people are different and we need to respect them isn't teaching ideology.

Exactly. They don't have to go into detail. Respect everyone, even if you don't agree with their choices. Simple really.

 

[Yarddog]

Exactly. They don't have to go into detail. Respect everyone, even if you don't agree with their choices. Simple really.

I haven't seen any evidence that public schools are teaching LGBTQ ideology. Most are just repeating words they hear on the news stations.

 

[RileyG]

I haven't seen any evidence that public schools are teaching LGBTQ ideology. Most are just repeating words they hear on the news stations.

Again, look it up on YouTube if you choose. I cannot post it because of the content. But, you do you.

 

[Yarddog]

Again, look it up on YouTube if you choose. I cannot post it because of the content. But, you do you.

Nah,byou can't trust YouTube videos. I'll see if I can find something on the Board of Education.

 

[RileyG]

Nah,byou can't trust YouTube videos. I'll see if I can find something on the Board of Education.

Ok. That's fair.

Have a lovely day.

 

[Yarddog]

Ok. That's fair.

Have a lovely day.

From what I'm reading the only area the I can see which might deal with LGBTQ ideology would be in Literature, which is most likely be an elective class. The others seem to be more informative which would help students understand just what LGBTQ is and is not ideology.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

My religion accepts mainstream science and history. I’d want to know if my (hypothetical) kids are ever subjected to things like intelligent design, if slavery or the evils of the Reconstruction are downplayed in history, or if health class teaches ethics I disagree with. I trust it isn’t only conservative Christians who have rights. I think if parents from all viewpoints try to assert their rights things could get difficultr

Does your religion believe miracles actually happen? That a man called Jesus rose from the dead or is it a kind of Jesus seminar view which views the Gospels and New Testament as unreliable?

I think Christians have a vested interest in how their children are educated. So they shouldn't have to have non Christian secular morality mandated in the form of public education. What does your religion say about that?

 

[mindlight]

The U.S. Supreme Court is weighing the extent to which parents can opt their children out of public school instruction in which LGBT-themed books are read as part of the curriculum.

The Supreme Court heard oral argumentson Tuesday morning in the case of Mahmoud, Tamer, et al. v. Taylor, Thomas W., et al. The case centers on whether public school parents in Montgomery County, Maryland — the state's largest school district — have a constitutional right under the First Amendment to exempt their children from public school lessons that feature LGBT ideology.

Eric Baxter of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty argued the case on behalf of a diverse coalition of Christian, Muslim and Jewish parents, saying in his opening arguments that "petitioners deserve complete preliminary relief" from the school district because it won't allow them to opt their children out of such instruction.

Continued below.

Supreme Court debates if religious parents can opt kids out of LGBT school lessons

The U S Supreme Court is weighing the extent to which parents can opt their children out of public school instruction in which LGBT-themed books are read as part of the curriculum

www.christianpost.com

Surely, the real test is whether the kid can completely take the book apart as an example of gay lobby propaganda and still get an A. It is too much to say that all the books we read must be pristine and sin-free, that excludes everything except the bible and indeed, the bible itself is perhaps the greatest catalogue of human sins of all time, including those related to LGBTQ.

 

[Tuur]

From what I'm reading the only area the I can see which might deal with LGBTQ ideology would be in Literature, which is most likely be an elective class. The others seem to be more informative which would help students understand just what LGBTQ is and is not ideology.

A children's book on the topic has come up in the USSC hearing. A children's book. Nothing about human sexuality needs to be presented for that age level. If the point is respecting those who are different, Dr. Seuss wrote one that addressed that without delving into human sexuality. Ironically, The Sneetches makes that point well above that age level, too.

This isn't about "In a lit class, dark and dreary." This is about presenting this material to students who are just learning the basics of mathematics and getting their reading up to speed.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Maybe, but realize that I may have a different view of what is immoral. We can certainly have lists of what you can and can't say to various groups of kids. I think that's going to get hard. It may be best either to drop out of schools whose policies you don't agree with or talk with your kid about what they're being taught. I don't think the Supreme Court is allowed to say what religious doctrines have rights and what don't.

You may have a different view of what is immoral, but there is moral and immoral, your view doesn't change that and
God tells us what is moral and immoral. It is Him we should be listening to not the immoral mob.