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Chinese scientists 'create' a mutant coronavirus strain that attacks the BRAIN and has a 100% kill rate in mice

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The easiest explanation is that it was developed in the actual Wuhan lab due to the gain of dunction research that was going on there. It started in Wuhan where a corona virus lab was located.

No its not settled, but it makes the most sense. But you are entitled to believe what you wish. No one has the definitive answer. At least that we know of.
Oh, I'm CERTAINLY open to the possibility of it being created in a lab and released. CERTAINLY open.....
 
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Perhaps this might have gone better had these been in the OP rather than the notoriously unreliable gossip rag chosen?
 
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Poor analogy. Do you understand why?
Because you don't see why it's analogous. Yeah, it's possible there were infected bats being sold, and potentially being eaten, in the Wuhan Market, and some potenially having mutated to be infectious in humans. Potentially. But there's no doubt at all that there were Corona viruses aplenty at the Wuhan labs, and being used in gain of function research, which dramatically increased their potential to be infectious in humans, since why else are you doing GoF research?

Anyway, that discussion is pretty much over, with the consesus now being, "well, yeah, it probably came from a lab leak". Wow, imagine my astonishment! The "Wuhan Market" hogwash was GP governmental CYA designed to blame "them weird Chinese, they eat bats" to divert attention away from from some underhanded deals between the CDC and the Chinese government.
 
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Bad analogy. In this case, the wilderness would be quite the nuclear reactor for new viruses/bacteria/etc to appear from.
Boy howdy, if I ever decide to hide an elephant, I'm gonna put him in your living room, secure in the knowledge that you'll never admit it's there.
 
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Bad analogy. In this case, the wilderness would be quite the nuclear reactor for new viruses/bacteria/etc to appear from.
If you feel the necessity to ignore the existence of the actual virus factory down the street.
 
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Because you don't see why it's analogous.
No.
A lab can artificially create those changes.
Nature can naturally evolve those changes.

Either way; those changes are both possible results through those possible mechanisms.

In your example, a gas station cannont possibly release radiation.
 
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No.
A lab can artificially create those changes.
Nature can naturally evolve those changes.
But the lab in Wuhan not only could, but unquestionably did, create those changes, while nature having done so is wholly speculative.
Either way; those changes are both possible results through those possible mechanisms.
Possuble? Sure. Probable? Not so much. The nuke plant, by definition, has nuclear material. The gas station could have nuclear material. The virus lab absolutely has disease viruses, the market could have 'em. How are you gonna bet?
In your example, a gas station cannont possibly release radiation.
Really? Where do the radioactive waste disposal trucks get their fuel?

Face it, mate, you're just toeing the party line, even after the party line has changed.
 
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The daily mail, a tabloid noted for inaccurate
sensationalist stories.

So why are you posting this?

Just any excuse to bash China?
It is interesting that this was the same response given to sources that claimed COVID-19 was leaked from a Wuhan lab. I see nothing has changed.
 
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Sounds like a bunch of conspiracy theorist propaganda to me.
Yeah, I mean, who but a paranoid racist bigot conspiracy theorist cou;d believe that a heretofore unknown virulent strain of a common virus could possibly have originated in a virology lab where gain-of-function research was being done on that self-same virus. It had to be an amazingly coincidental accident of nature.

Right. And I'd I'm rightwise king born of all England.
 
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Given that the accidental lab release is now the leading theory for Covid-19.
Or at least has been in the US since the Republicans took the House in 2022. A clear example of power shaping the presentation of truth claims.
 
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Just for those that aren’t aware, The Daily Mail are basically Alex Jones with a modicum of compliance to industry standards, but even then no one in the UK takes them seriously that has any semblance of critical thinking.
 
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Narrow it down to Wuhan and give me some other vaguely credible potential sources. Madman Fong's Clean Used Cars? #1 Style Hair Salon? Wuhan One Hour Dry Cleaners?
Bats. It nearly always bats or a mammal with an unusually high tolerance for viruses.
 
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Just for those that aren’t aware, The Daily Mail are basically Alex Jones with a modicum of compliance to industry standards, but even then no one in the UK takes them seriously that has any semblance of critical thinking.
It is interesting that even Alex Jones has a better track record with accuracy than the liberal MSM. Probably the reason online outlets like the Daily Wire has better ratings than them.
 
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Or at least has been in the US since the Republicans took the House in 2022. A clear example of power shaping the presentation of truth claims.
And Biden retroactively pardoning Fauchi didn’t happen but is only Republican fake news.
 
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And Biden retroactively pardoning Fauchi didn’t happen but is only Republican fake news.

Fauci operated based on the best scientific evidence of the time, and the science continues to be in his favor now. Biden's retroactive pardon spares him from a witch hunt by Trump for entirely political reasons. Fauci's honesty contrasted with Trump's deceit and mishandling of the COVID crisis. This cost Trump the presidency in 2020, and he wants revenge - it is quite simple.
 
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