Video: 'You would think we deported a candidate for father of the year'

[DaisyDay]

All because we screwed up and sent a deportable MS13 member to El Salvador when he wasn't supposed to be deported there?

Seems a pretty big stretch.

There is no evidence that he was an MS13 member - btw, when did he switch from being a Tren de Aragua (part of a Venezuelan gang) to being MS13 (part of a US-Central American gang)? There's no evidence that he was a part of any gang, but some evidence that he was fleeing gang servitude.

No, the big problem this poses for the US as a democratic republic is disappearing people off the streets and for imprisoning people for thought crimes and speech crimes.

 

[Perpetual Student]

...which directly contradicts the United States Supreme Court. I have referred you to their ruling several times on these threads. I can only assume that you don't care about their opinion either.

The Supreme Court are just unelected leftist Biden-appointed activist judges that hate America.
Oh, wait...

 

[rjs330]

There is no evidence that he was an MS13 member - btw, when did he switch from being a Tren de Aragua (part of a Venezuelan gang) to being MS13 (part of a US-Central American gang)? There's no evidence that he was a part of any gang, but some evidence that he was fleeing gang servitude.

No, the big problem this poses for the US as a democratic republic is disappearing people off the streets and for imprisoning people for thought crimes and speech crimes.

What you think is irrelevant. The courts said they found he was. That's all that matters.

He was snatched up because he's an illegal and was found to be deportable by the court. It wasn't because he committed a thought crime. He actually was in violation of immigration law.

 

[7thKeeper]

What you think is irrelevant. The courts said they found he was. That's all that matters.

He was snatched up because he's an illegal and was found to be deportable by the court. It wasn't because he committed a thought crime. He actually was in violation of immigration law.

This statement oddly applies to you, except in reverse. The courts found otherwise, which is why he was allowed to stay in the country. He wasn't here illegally, he had protected status. I'm quite certain you've been corrected on these issues s few times already, yet you insist on making them still.

 

[wing2000]

“The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order,” Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III wrote on behalf of the panel (4th Circuit). “Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”

Trump Administration Updates: Tariffs, Deportations and the Latest on Meloni

www.nytimes.com

 

[rjs330]

This statement oddly applies to you, except in reverse. The courts found otherwise, which is why he was allowed to stay in the country. He wasn't here illegally, he had protected status. I'm quite certain you've been corrected on these issues s few times already, yet you insist on making them still.

Oh good grief. I quoted the judge and the findings of the case. Kessler was the judge.

Kessler then went on to find that Abrego Garcia had failed to meet his burden of showing that his release “would not pose a danger to others.” This was so, she wrote, because she found ICE’s accusation about his gang membership “trustworthy.” She continued:

Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.

So yes he was found by the COURT to be MS 13.

In the recent Maryland federal court litigation, the government has not contested, through introduction of evidence, any of the specific accusations of Abrego Garcia’s complaint. It has only, in conclusory fashion, continued to cling to Judge Kessler’s finding that Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member. (Kessler’s bond decision was later upheld on administrative appeal in a perfunctory two-page opinion.)

He was going to be deported. But he got his DUE PROCESS and the court said he could not be deported to EL SALVADOR. They court did NOT remove his deportation status. He was still an illegal.

The decision of the immigration judge in the review of his case said, they adopted and affirmed Kesslers ruling.

I have corrected people a number of times on this. Yet, like you, some still insist on making a false claim.

Im not going to do it anymore.

Garcia was an illegal. He was NOT granted asylum. He was granted protection from deportation to EL SALVADOR due to the gang there. He still could be deported to somewhere else. He should NOT have been deported to El Salvador. The administration should try to bring him back. He should be brought back, get his due process then be deported somewhere. The gang he was afraid of is pretty much gone due to the crackdown there by the government. He is no longer in the danger he was.

Ive also proven that point as well.

 

[RDKirk]

Garcia was an illegal. He was NOT granted asylum. He was granted protection from deportation to EL SALVADOR due to the gang there. He still could be deported to somewhere else. He should NOT have been deported to El Salvador. The administration should try to bring him back. He should be brought back, get his due process then be deported somewhere. The gang he was afraid of is pretty much gone due to the crackdown there by the government. He is no longer in the danger he was.

I'm glad you realize the Constitutional factor here is that the Administration is failing to abide by a court order.

 

[ViaCrucis]

All because we screwed up and sent a deportable MS13 member to El Salvador when he wasn't supposed to be deported there?

Seems a pretty big stretch.

What an absolute bonkers interpretation of these events.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[JosephZ]

Oh good grief. I quoted the judge and the findings of the case. Kessler was the judge.

Kessler then went on to find that Abrego Garcia had failed to meet his burden of showing that his release “would not pose a danger to others.” This was so, she wrote, because she found ICE’s accusation about his gang membership “trustworthy.” She continued:

Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.

So yes he was found by the COURT to be MS 13.

A police informant told police Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member. Immigration judges denied Abrego Garcia bond, both initially and on appeal, citing the informant’s accusation.

In the initial denial, the judge said the determination of Abrego Garcia’s gang membership “appears to be trustworthy and is supported” by evidence from the Gang Field Interview Sheet which, in part, referenced the informant. Abrego Garcia’s attorneys have repeatedly said in court that the informant’s accusation was fabricated.

The immigration judges’ decision to deny bond is not equivalent to ruling that Abrego Garcia was a gang member, David Bier, associate director of immigration studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, said.

In immigration bond hearings, detainees have the burden of proof to show they are neither a flight risk nor a danger to the community. Abrego Garcia “failed to meet his burden to show that he was not a danger,” Bier said. That’s not the same as the government proving affirmatively that he was an MS-13 member.

“The immigration judge is only taking at face value any evidence that the government provides,” Bier said. “It is not assessing its underlying validity at that stage.”

Abrego Garcia later received an immigration protection called withholding of removal. Granting that protection required the Department of Homeland Security to decide Abrego Garcia was not “a danger to the security of the United States,” Bier said, quoting U.S. immigration law.

“The Trump administration did not appeal these determinations or the granting of withholding of removal,” Bier said. “So at that time, it did not consider him a threat and no new evidence has been presented since then.”

Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, an attorney for Abrego Garcia, told PolitiFact his client has “never been convicted of any crime, gang-related or otherwise,” and we also found no court evidence he had been convicted. Neither of the immigration court proceedings constitute a conviction, because they were not trials.

The facts behind Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia’s deportation - Poynter

El Salvador's president and Trump officials misrepresented Abrego Garcia’s case, his protections, and a Supreme Court order to return him

www.poynter.org

 

[RDKirk]

Discussion of Abrego Garcia's gang status is irrelevant to the Constitutional crisis involved.

The Constitutional crisis is the Executive Branch ignoring a court order while saying, "Hey, look at that squirrel!"

 

[durangodawood]

Discussion of Abrego Garcia's gang status is irrelevant to the Constitutional crisis involved.

The Constitutional crisis is the Executive Branch ignoring a court order while saying, "Hey, look at that squirrel!"

Questions of due process and constitutional powers are independent of and way more important, than the behavior of this one man.

The Trump admin wants us to ignore all that so they can persist in and expand the exercise of power beyond what the constitution grants them. And apparently maga people are happy to smile and go along. I think many actually relish a dictatorship so long as it aligns with their values.

 

[NxNW]

Both the United States government and the El Salvadorian government have concluded, based on all of the evidence available to them, that he is an MS-13 gang member.

This never happened.

 

[Valletta]

This never happened.

Yes, both President Trump and the president of El Salvador agree.

 

[durangodawood]

Yes, both President Trump and the president of El Salvador agree.

Well if the president thinks youre guilty, then in this new world..... youre officially guilty!

 

[BPPLEE]

This never happened.

Someone should tell Tom Homan then

 

[RDKirk]

I think many actually relish a dictatorship so long as it aligns with their values.

This for sure.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Yes, both President Trump and the president of El Salvador agree.

Well if the president thinks youre guilty, then in this new world..... youre officially guilty!

And this president Trump is the guy who ran adds asking for the death penalty for the Central Park Fives. Even since they were found innocent, he has never appologized, never admitted to be wrong.
Should we trust him in matters of the judiciary?

 

[rjs330]

A police informant told police Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member. Immigration judges denied Abrego Garcia bond, both initially and on appeal, citing the informant’s accusation.

In the initial denial, the judge said the determination of Abrego Garcia’s gang membership “appears to be trustworthy and is supported” by evidence from the Gang Field Interview Sheet which, in part, referenced the informant. Abrego Garcia’s attorneys have repeatedly said in court that the informant’s accusation was fabricated.

The immigration judges’ decision to deny bond is not equivalent to ruling that Abrego Garcia was a gang member, David Bier, associate director of immigration studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, said.

In immigration bond hearings, detainees have the burden of proof to show they are neither a flight risk nor a danger to the community. Abrego Garcia “failed to meet his burden to show that he was not a danger,” Bier said. That’s not the same as the government proving affirmatively that he was an MS-13 member.

“The immigration judge is only taking at face value any evidence that the government provides,” Bier said. “It is not assessing its underlying validity at that stage.”

Abrego Garcia later received an immigration protection called withholding of removal. Granting that protection required the Department of Homeland Security to decide Abrego Garcia was not “a danger to the security of the United States,” Bier said, quoting U.S. immigration law.

“The Trump administration did not appeal these determinations or the granting of withholding of removal,” Bier said. “So at that time, it did not consider him a threat and no new evidence has been presented since then.”

Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, an attorney for Abrego Garcia, told PolitiFact his client has “never been convicted of any crime, gang-related or otherwise,” and we also found no court evidence he had been convicted. Neither of the immigration court proceedings constitute a conviction, because they were not trials.

The facts behind Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia’s deportation - Poynter

El Salvador's president and Trump officials misrepresented Abrego Garcia’s case, his protections, and a Supreme Court order to return him

www.poynter.org

Opinions are a dime a dozen. He was found to be MS13 and he could not prove he wasn't a danger. He wasn't deported because he claimed his life was in danger by a gang in El Salvador. The decision not to deport to El Salvador was based upon that and that alone. It wasn't because he was out to be here legally. He was and still is an illegal because he did not come here legally. He shoild have been deported a long time ago, just not to El Salvador.

 

[rjs330]

And this president Trump is the guy who ran adds asking for the death penalty for the Central Park Fives. Even since they were found innocent, he has never appologized, never admitted to be wrong.
Should we trust him in matters of the judiciary?
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Trump doesn't decide who's guilty of a crime or not. He might have opinions. Just like the rest of us do, but the judges and juries still determine guilt.

 

[Valletta]

And this president Trump is the guy who ran adds asking for the death penalty for the Central Park Fives. Even since they were found innocent, he has never appologized, never admitted to be wrong.
Should we trust him in matters of the judiciary?
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Off topic. The election is over, you lost.