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[DaisyDay]

The found he was a fang member.

The initial court found probable cause to think he was one - that cause was that an informant put him in a NY gang even though he never lived there. He was not charged with gang membership, but with "...[being] present in the United States without being admitted or paroled, or who arrives in the United States at any time or place other than as designated by the Attorney General, is inadmissible.” Him being a gang member was based solely on his hat, his hoodie and hearsay that was proven to be untrue (he never lived in NY).

Abrego Garcia appealed the deportation order which was originally denied; he was given a protection order not to be deported to El Salvador. ICE claimed that he was a gang member which he denied.

The allegation appears to stem from two documents that were introduced before Judge Kessler: a federal I-213 form (Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien), filled out by ICE, and a form generated by the Prince George’s Police Department, called a Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS). The latter had been entered into the Prince George’s Police Department database at 6:47 p.m. on March 28, 2019—about four hours after police met Abrego Garcia for the first time—according to Abrego Garcia’s recent complaint.​

The entire stop and case was based upon MS13.

Not at all. Even the initial arrest in 2019 was not based on that, but loitering and/or some murder that was never mentioned again (the form I-213 contradicted itself). Based on the information given, Judge Kessler determined that he was a gang member, but one that credibly feared that gang. The problem with this is that the I-213 Form was based on the GFIS - two supposedly separate pieces of paper based on the exact same source who Garcia was not given the opportunity to question which is pertinent as the information that he lived in NY was wrong.

He appealed Kessler's decision and applied for asylum. In October 2019, Judge Jones granted a withholding of removal [to El Salvador] but denied his application for asylum and withholding for removal for fear of torture. Judge Jones' order was final as the government did not appeal. Garcia went back to jail but was then released in 2019.

He married his girlfriend, the mother of his child, now five; they are raising her two other, also special needs, together. He has a job as an apprentice sheet metal worker (member of the union). He has also enrolled in

The new arrest in 2025 was based upon Tren de Aragua. He was rounded up with Venezuelans.

So he was found to be a member of MS13 because that was the claim.

When was that claimed exactly? What was the evidence? This is important. There was never a criminal claim against him.

The claim wasn't he was a member of some unknown generic gang. The evidence was he was a gang member with MS13. And the court found that he was. Period.

The bail hearing court, the first one. What about the subsequent one on appeal in October 2019?

As for the charges in 2025, the initial claim was that he was a member of Tren de Aragua. This is important because that is who the proclamation declaring the Alien Enemies Act was against (Venezuelans, TdA NOT El Salvadorans, MS13).

The determination that the Respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a ‘past, proven, and reliable source of information’ verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member,” Kessler wrote, referring to the informant’s tip.

Except that the GFIS came from a single officer, no longer with the Hyattsville PD, who was never cross-examined by Garcia or his lawyers - therefore hearsay. Not only that, but the government has not even sought to use that in the current case. The "reliable" informant got all the details wrong including placing Garcia in a state, New York, where he has never resided.

I know you have evidence, but only a little bit of it. Look at the rest.

 

[DaisyDay]

Off topic.

Responding to a point you, yourself, brought up.

Yes, both President Trump and the president of El Salvador agree.​

It's not kosher to bring up a statement then declare it to be off topic.

The election is over, you lost.

But the question remains: Should we trust him in matters of the judiciary?

 

[Valletta]

Responding to a point you, yourself, brought up.


It's not kosher to bring up a statement then declare it to be off topic.


But the question remains: Should we trust him in matters of the judiciary?

Whether you trust him or not is irrelevant. We have a human disaster, terrorists within our our border ready to strike, hundreds of thousands of trafficked women and children that need to be found and brought to safety, and we cannot let every liberal wannabe dictator to interfere in saving lives.

 

[DaisyDay]

So what gang was he found to be a member of? Was the governments case based around a "gang"? Any gang, a generic gang what gang was at issue here?

Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act Regarding the Invasion of The United States by Tren De Aragua

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION Tren de Aragua (TdA) is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization with thousands of

www.whitehouse.gov

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA


A PROCLAMATION​

Tren de Aragua (TdA) is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization with thousands of members, many of whom have unlawfully infiltrated the United States and are conducting irregular warfare and undertaking hostile actions against the United States. TdA operates in conjunction with Cártel de los Soles, the Nicolas Maduro regime-sponsored, narco-terrorism enterprise based in Venezuela, and commits brutal crimes, including murders, kidnappings, extortions, and human, drug, and weapons trafficking. TdA has engaged in and continues to engage in mass illegal migration to the United States to further its objectives of harming United States citizens, undermining public safety, and supporting the Maduro regime’s goal of destabilizing democratic nations in the Americas, including the United States.​

This proclamation was the basis for the recent roundup and deportation of Venezuelans. Abrego Garcia was rounded up and deported with them, "mistakenly". You can look this up.

 

[Belk]

Whether you trust him or not is irrelevant. We have a human disaster, terrorists within our our border ready to strike, hundreds of thousands of trafficked women and children that need to be found and brought to safety, and we cannot let every liberal wannabe dictator to interfere in saving lives.

If you have information on terrorist ready to strike you might want to pass that along to law enforcement. Same with information on "thousands" of trafficked women and children. That you have not already worked to free these people you are apparently in the know about seems morally dubious. Or is this just a bunch of hyperbole and you have no idea if these people exist?

 

[Valletta]

If you have information on terrorist ready to strike you might want to pass that along to law enforcement. Same with information on "thousands" of trafficked women and children. That you have not already worked to free these people you are apparently in the know about seems morally dubious. Or is this just a bunch of hyperbole and you have no idea if these people exist?

Oh they exist. I remember we had two local FBI agents pleading with Washington, time and time again, to take action about the Muslim man here who was taking flying lessons for a jumbo jet but insisted he was not interested in landing. We never had more terrorists enter our country than during the Biden administration. It is just a matter of when, and slowing the deportation of terrorists is exactly the wrong thing to do.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Oh they exist. I remember we had two local FBI agents pleading with Washington, time and time again, to take action about the Muslim man here who was taking flying lessons for a jumbo jet but insisted he was not interested in landing. We never had more terrorists enter our country than during the Biden administration. It is just a matter of when, and slowing the deportation of terrorists is exactly the wrong thing to do.

Ah, yes, that one case in the last 25 years.

We are talking about criminal gangs here, now, not geopolitical actors.

 

[Belk]

Oh they exist. I remember we had two local FBI agents pleading with Washington, time and time again, to take action about the Muslim man here who was taking flying lessons for a jumbo jet but insisted he was not interested in landing. We never had more terrorists enter our country than during the Biden administration. It is just a matter of when, and slowing the deportation of terrorists is exactly the wrong thing to do.

Ah, nothing but hyperbole coupled with talking points. Good to know.

 

[ViaCrucis]

That's wrong. The court found he was.

Repeating lies don't make them true.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Repeating lies don't make them true.

-CryptoLutheran

But look at this completely real and totally not photoshopped tattoo of MS13 that Garcia totally got on his knuckles but was never mentioned in any arrest or court document finding he was a gang member:

And I just want to clarify that if this is what everyone pretty much agrees it is, that is a photoshopped image of MS13 on Garcia's knuckles, that's absolute lies and depravity on the part of this absolutely corrupt, criminal government.

And I'll state ONCE AGAIN that the President of the United States is himself a CONVICTED FELON!!!! Conservative concern over criminals in our country are completely flaccid.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Truth Social

Truth Social is America's "Big Tent" social media platform that encourages an open, free, and honest global conversation without discriminating on the basis of political ideology.

truthsocial.com

Here is a screenshot of Donald Trump's Truth Social

Here is the President of the United States of America in the Oval Office holding a falsified document and falsely claiming that it is a document used in court as piece of evidence of a man's guilt. Here he is, openly lying to the American public (and the world).
This is poorly photo shopped by design, on purpose. This is raising the middle finger to Americans and the world. This is saying "We are in power, there is nothing you can do. We will do as we please. "
Are you comfortable with this? Is this the President you want? Is this the USA you want?
It is not about Abrego Garcia. This is about the rule of law vs absolute power. This is about the American public being able to chose its leaders based on truth. This is about your government serving you in good faith. When falsified documents are needed to justify what is (in the grand scheme of things) a small case, what will in be for big important matters?
To what villainies will this administration lowers itself?

What will you accept?

 

[rjs330]

No it's not.

From the same article:

Abrego Garcia had a bail hearing before a DOJ immigration judge. It was there that the government disclosed that an informant had said Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member. As is customary in bail proceedings, the government neither identified nor produced the informant for testimony. The DOJ judge wrote that “the evidence shows that [Abrego Garcia] is a verified member of MS-13.” In this context, “verified” meant nothing more than that an unidentified informant, for whom the government vouched but whom the alien did not get to cross-examine, told the government he was an MS-13 member.

Rhats an opinion. That is NOT what the judge said.

 

[rjs330]

The initial court found probable cause to think he was one - that cause was that an informant put him in a NY gang even though he never lived there. He was not charged with gang membership, but with "...[being] present in the United States without being admitted or paroled, or who arrives in the United States at any time or place other than as designated by the Attorney General, is inadmissible.” Him being a gang member was based solely on his hat, his hoodie and hearsay that was proven to be untrue (he never lived in NY).

Abrego Garcia appealed the deportation order which was originally denied; he was given a protection order not to be deported to El Salvador. ICE claimed that he was a gang member which he denied.

The allegation appears to stem from two documents that were introduced before Judge Kessler: a federal I-213 form (Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien), filled out by ICE, and a form generated by the Prince George’s Police Department, called a Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS). The latter had been entered into the Prince George’s Police Department database at 6:47 p.m. on March 28, 2019—about four hours after police met Abrego Garcia for the first time—according to Abrego Garcia’s recent complaint.​

Not at all. Even the initial arrest in 2019 was not based on that, but loitering and/or some murder that was never mentioned again (the form I-213 contradicted itself). Based on the information given, Judge Kessler determined that he was a gang member, but one that credibly feared that gang. The problem with this is that the I-213 Form was based on the GFIS - two supposedly separate pieces of paper based on the exact same source who Garcia was not given the opportunity to question which is pertinent as the information that he lived in NY was wrong.

He appealed Kessler's decision and applied for asylum. In October 2019, Judge Jones granted a withholding of removal [to El Salvador] but denied his application for asylum and withholding for removal for fear of torture. Judge Jones' order was final as the government did not appeal. Garcia went back to jail but was then released in 2019.

He married his girlfriend, the mother of his child, now five; they are raising her two other, also special needs, together. He has a job as an apprentice sheet metal worker (member of the union). He has also enrolled in

The new arrest in 2025 was based upon Tren de Aragua. He was rounded up with Venezuelans.

When was that claimed exactly? What was the evidence? This is important. There was never a criminal claim against him.


The bail hearing court, the first one. What about the subsequent one on appeal in October 2019?

As for the charges in 2025, the initial claim was that he was a member of Tren de Aragua. This is important because that is who the proclamation declaring the Alien Enemies Act was against (Venezuelans, TdA NOT El Salvadorans, MS13).



Except that the GFIS came from a single officer, no longer with the Hyattsville PD, who was never cross-examined by Garcia or his lawyers - therefore hearsay. Not only that, but the government has not even sought to use that in the current case. The "reliable" informant got all the details wrong including placing Garcia in a state, New York, where he has never resided.

I know you have evidence, but only a little bit of it. Look at the rest.

Listen we know all that. That doeant change fact that he was found to be a gang member of MS13. That was the accusation including his position and name. Of course he was and that was a reason he wasn't sent back. He was scared of the rival gang there.

He was with MS13 members, he had wads of cash on him all drawn on with symbols of MS13, he had a MS13 position and name. He was afraid of his rival gang. It all adds up. The court decided.

 

[rambot]

Whether you trust him or not is irrelevant. We have a human disaster, terrorists within our our border ready to strike, hundreds of thousands of trafficked women and children that need to be found and brought to safety, and we cannot let every liberal wannabe dictator to interfere in saving lives.

This level of paranoia is disconcerting.

 

[rjs330]

Repeating lies don't make them true.

-CryptoLutheran

I struggle with thinking the court lied.

 

[Valletta]

This level of paranoia is disconcerting.

Terrorism is not a joke, Israel is the little Satan and America the big Satan for Islamic jihadists. The left-wing media tried to downplay the threat during the Biden administration:

Number of people on terror watchlist stopped at U.S. border has risen

So far in fiscal year 2023, 160 migrants whose identities match those on the list have been stopped trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border, compared to 100 in 2022.

www.nbcnews.com

The next month Hamas attacked Israel. I and many others agree with Trump that it is not a matter of "if," but of "when."

 

[Say it aint so]

Terrorism is not a joke, Israel is the little Satan and America the big Satan for Islamic jihadists. The left-wing media tried to downplay the threat during the Biden administration:

Number of people on terror watchlist stopped at U.S. border has risen

So far in fiscal year 2023, 160 migrants whose identities match those on the list have been stopped trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border, compared to 100 in 2022.

www.nbcnews.com

The next month Hamas attacked Israel. I and many others agree with Trump that it is not a matter of "if," but of "when."

Yes, terrorism no joke, even when enacted by our home grown Tim McVeigh types.
Yes, NBC is just noting the numbers.
Nothing down played here.
And yes, Hamas attacked Israel and Israel attacks Palestine.
That has been an off and on war ever since one of the historical tracts of land has been dubbed, "The Holy-Land"

 

[Hans Blaster]

Terrorism is not a joke, Israel is the little Satan and America the big Satan for Islamic jihadists. The left-wing media tried to downplay the threat during the Biden administration:

Number of people on terror watchlist stopped at U.S. border has risen

So far in fiscal year 2023, 160 migrants whose identities match those on the list have been stopped trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border, compared to 100 in 2022.

www.nbcnews.com

The next month Hamas attacked Israel. I and many others agree with Trump that it is not a matter of "if," but of "when."

TdA is a violent, Central American, criminal gang. They are not "Islamic jihdists".

 

[JosephZ]

Rhats an opinion. That is NOT what the judge said.

Here again is what the judge said:

"The determination that the Respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a ‘past, proven, and reliable source of information’ verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member,”

All she is saying is that evidence and the testimony of a reliable source support that Garcia is a gang member. Garcia was alleged to be a gang member, and there was sufficient evidence to support that allegation; however, that evidence was only used in determining whether or not his request for bail would be approved. There was no ruling as to whether or not he actually was a gang member.

It would be similar to someone who is arrested for murder and is brought before a magistrate judge or a district judge for an initial hearing. The judge may determine that there is enough evidence to show that the person committed the murder, but that doesn't mean that the accused is a murderer. That wouldn't be determined until there is an actual trial to determine whether or not the accused committed the crime they are charged with.

Garcia was accused of being a gang member, but there has never been a formal decision or judgment that he is a gang member.

 

[ViaCrucis]

That doeant change fact that he was found to be a gang member of MS13.

False. He was not.

A judge denied bail based on the accusation that he was a gang member. He was not found to be a gang member in a court of law.

Stop believing this administration's lies.

-CryptoLutheran