House passes bill requiring proof of citizenship to vote

[expos4ever]

Guns are not violent.

This frequently made argument is atrocious. Even an eight year old can understand that the obvious fact that guns are not themselves violent, they are tools that can greatly amplify evil intention.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry been but no, a passport or a birth certificate with the correct name will be required. Unless a marriage license is specifically mentioned it will not be good enough.

This whole exercise is about restricting and making voting harder.

No that’s just an invalidated claim, the reason is obvious that they’re trying to restrict voting exclusively to US citizens.

 

[Bradskii]

I heard Trump talking about requiring a driver’s license to vote...

The guy thought you needed ID to buy bread. Who is seriously going to listen to anything he says? Surely you won't.

Trump mocked for claiming Americans need ID to buy a loaf of bread

‘Has he ever bought one? Has he ever stepped foot in a grocery store?’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[SimplyMe]

False, it's not my idea, as I said it was a hoax pushed by Democrats:

Disenfranchisement and Suppression of Black Voters in the United States - Ballard Brief

Modern Black disenfranchisement is part of a history of racial division and suppression in the US stretching back to before the Revolutionary War.

ballardbrief.byu.edu

BLACK WOMEN AND VOTER SUPPRESSION

https://www.bu.edu/bulawreview/files/2023/02/LAROCHE.pdf

From Black Perspectives:

The Racist Origins of the Real ID Act - AAIHS

As of May 2023, a passport or driver’s license which proves legal residence in the U.S. will be needed to board a domestic flight, a change that will further impede the mobility of undocumented persons. This is the date by which the federal government has given people to obtain a “Real ID,” a...

www.aaihs.org

Thanks for posting two articles that show your claim, "Remember the Democrat hoax that blacks did not have ID?" was a straw man. Instead, the claim, to quote one of the articles, "it is important to revisit Black studies scholarship, which shows that the history of identification documents and their corresponding registries in the U.S. have their origins in the control and surveillance of Black mobility, rooted firmly in the violence of slavery and its afterlives."

Instead, the point has been that in many cases, "Voter ID" laws have been specifically targeted at Blacks -- such as in North Carolina -- where the proponents of the bills looked at exactly what types of IDs that Black voters did not have and then passed a law that explicitly excluded most of those types of ID, seemingly with the purpose of limiting the number of Blacks that could vote.

But I will agree that you aren't the one that created the straw man, that it is Republicans who keep trying to use that straw man as a political tool, trying to make it appear that Democrats have an issue with Voter ID laws when, what Democrats have an issue with is how these laws so frequently are designed to disenfranchise those that won't "vote the right way;" in much the same way various voting laws over the last century and a half have been designed to keep Blacks from voting. It is also worth noting that the dissent, in many of these cases, was not so much about the Voter ID itself, but in how these laws have also closed polling places in poor areas and/or shutdown offices where ID could be obtained, as well as limiting the hours they operate, to make obtaining an ID harder and costlier.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Please explain that to the Parkland, Sandy Hook and so many other grieving parents.
Then duck.

A gun itself is NOT violent. I could have a gun sitting right beside me on this desk it would sit there for years and NOTHING would happen until I picked it up and pulled the trigger or unsafely cleaned it or some action. I could have a knife on the table nothing will happen unless and until I pick it up, but it COULD be used to kill someone or otherwise act voilently. I could have a car sitting in my yard that car could sit there for years and do nothing, yet if I were to get in that car and drive drunk or drive into a crowd that could kill a LOT of people. I could have a baseball bat or a lead pipe in and of themselves neither of those do a thing, and yet if I charged someone with one police officer or otherwise and was fatally shot that would be a justified homicide. OBJECTS cannot be violent it is the PERSON that uses them that can use it for good or bad.

 

[BCP1928]

They could bring a marriage certificate along with a birth certificate and photo ID to prove that their name was legally changed.

Yes, they could--with a little more money and effort than is required of other people.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Active felons cannot vote unless they appeal.

in most states but states vary.

 

[Fantine]

A gun itself is NOT violent. I could have a gun sitting right beside me on this desk it would sit there for years and NOTHING would happen until I picked it up and pulled the trigger or unsafely cleaned it or some action. I could have a knife on the table nothing will happen unless and until I pick it up, but it COULD be used to kill someone or otherwise act voilently. I could have a car sitting in my yard that car could sit there for years and do nothing, yet if I were to get in that car and drive drunk or drive into a crowd that could kill a LOT of people. I could have a baseball bat or a lead pipe in and of themselves neither of those do a thing, and yet if I charged someone with one police officer or otherwise and was fatally shot that would be a justified homicide. OBJECTS cannot be violent it is the PERSON that uses them that can use it for good or bad.

I am too smart to believe the dramatically greater number of violent murders and mass shootings, when compared to other countries, is "coincidence."

 

[Always in His Presence]

As for the lost topic of the thread:

States Can Accept Other Documentation​

Roy called the idea that married women would be prevented from registering to vote “absurd armchair speculation.”

In a statement emailed to us on Feb. 20, Roy said, “The legislation provides a myriad [of] ways for people to prove citizenship and explicitly directs States to establish a process for individuals to register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents due to something like a name change.”

Roy is referencing a section of the bill that orders states to allow applicants to provide “additional documentation” in the event of a discrepancy.

Roy noted that the bill says: “each State shall establish a process under which an applicant can provide such additional documentation to the appropriate election official of the State as may be necessary to establish that the applicant is a citizen of the United States in the event of a discrepancy with respect to the applicant’s documentary proof of United States citizenship.”

 

[dogs4thewin]

I am too smart to believe the dramatically greater number of violent murders and mass shootings, when compared to other countries, is "coincidence."

Again the gun itself does nothing I can have ten guns in my house but if I do nothing with them nothing will happen.

 

[RDKirk]

If you have an old ID or a passport, you can use those to get a new ID here, but only about half of Americans have a valid passport, and around 8-9% don't have a non-expired ID.

I'm dumbfounded that half of Americans have a valid passport. That many? Wow. Recomputing.....

 

[Valletta]

Thanks for posting two articles that show your claim, "Remember the Democrat hoax that blacks did not have ID?" was a straw man. Instead, the claim, to quote one of the articles, "it is important to revisit Black studies scholarship, which shows that the history of identification documents and their corresponding registries in the U.S. have their origins in the control and surveillance of Black mobility, rooted firmly in the violence of slavery and its afterlives."

Instead, the point has been that in many cases, "Voter ID" laws have been specifically targeted at Blacks -- such as in North Carolina -- where the proponents of the bills looked at exactly what types of IDs that Black voters did not have and then passed a law that explicitly excluded most of those types of ID, seemingly with the purpose of limiting the number of Blacks that could vote.

But I will agree that you aren't the one that created the straw man, that it is Republicans who keep trying to use that straw man as a political tool, trying to make it appear that Democrats have an issue with Voter ID laws when, what Democrats have an issue with is how these laws so frequently are designed to disenfranchise those that won't "vote the right way;" in much the same way various voting laws over the last century and a half have been designed to keep Blacks from voting. It is also worth noting that the dissent, in many of these cases, was not so much about the Voter ID itself, but in how these laws have also closed polling places in poor areas and/or shutdown offices where ID could be obtained, as well as limiting the hours they operate, to make obtaining an ID harder and costlier.

Democrats indeed pushed that hoax: :

David J Harris Jr.

Sunny Hostin: Many blacks and women will not be able to vote if we require ID

www.facebook.com

I have no doubt that in the pasts Democrats did try and suppress the black vote. That is a matter of history. This new law has nothing to do with suppressing a citizen's right to vote. In fact the points you bring up about closing polls early have nothing to do with the Act. The Act merely covers voter REGISTRATION. If you don't move that is a one time event where you have to show you are who you say you are, as you do for so many other things. Try going into a bank and ask to cash a check without ID.
If anyone comes forward and says they can't afford to have an ID to register to vote that too is something Democrats and Republicans can easily remedy.

 

[KCfromNC]

Mhm. That does sound a bit like "too much effort" is perceived differently in our nations.

Perhaps has to do with the US's history of inconsistently applied requirements used as tools to suppress the wrong types of voters : poll taxes, literacy tests, cases where the forms of ID least likely for minorities to have were researched by GOP legislators before requiring them, and now the bill mentioned in the OP. At some point the pattern becomes obvious.

 

[KCfromNC]

States Can Accept Other Documentation
Roy called the idea that married women would be prevented from registering to vote “absurd armchair speculation.”

File this along with the promises about dropping grocery prices on day 1 and abortion is settled case law.

 

[Belk]

Again the gun itself does nothing I can have ten guns in my house but if I do nothing with them nothing will happen.

Oh. Odd then that you are so much more likely to be killed by one then. It is almost as if being around an item designed to kill increases the likelihood of being killed. Perhaps we can dispense with the facile arguments now?

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Having a gun in the home significantly increases the risk of being killed, especially by suicide or accidental shooting, and also increases the risk of being killed by homicide. Studies consistently show that individuals living in homes with firearms are at a higher risk of dying from a firearm, both as a result of suicide and homicide

 

[dogs4thewin]

Oh. Odd then that you are so much more likely to be killed by one then.

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Having a gun in the home significantly increases the risk of being killed, especially by suicide or accidental shooting, and also increases the risk of being killed by homicide. Studies consistently show that individuals living in homes with firearms are at a higher risk of dying from a firearm, both as a result of suicide and homicide

The fact still remains that a gun does NOTHING by itself in order to be killed someone must take some action.

 

[KCfromNC]

The fact still remains that a gun does NOTHING by itself in order to be killed someone must take some action.

Neither does a ballot or voter registration, yet here we are.

 

[Belk]

The fact still remains that a gun does NOTHING by itself in order to be killed someone must take some action.

Yes, we are all aware inanimate objects are inanimate. So what?

 

[RileyG]

in most states but states vary.

Correct.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Proof of ID doesn’t necessarily prove citizenship. I heard Trump talking about requiring a driver’s license to vote but I’m not sure how that would work since you don’t have to be a citizen to have a driver’s license. My driver’s license doesn’t say that I’m a US citizen.

I have a ton of "Real ID" including two passports. One regular blue and a brown "Official Passport". Whenever I fly in the States I use the brown one and the TSA guys ask me what it's for. I reply in my best Afrikaans/Dutch accent "Diplomatic Immunity". So far only one of them got the reference. Sometimes being old sucks.