FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[Astrid]

I can't find my post in which I answered what you wrote about some believing that the flood waters were transported to Neptune - I have searched back a few pages on this thread - but as far as I remember, I didn't deny that anybody believed such a thing, but said that I had never seen/heard anybody say/write that they believed it. You say it was AV, but I couldn't find anyone with that user name. There is AV1611 and AV1611VET. Not to worry!

So now you have heard of it.

 

[Astrid]

Well, I for one don't believe that the bible is "counterfactual" at all, let alone "profoundly counterfactual" when it describes six day creation and world wide flood. That doesn't mean that I believe the earth is a flat disc, I must hasten to add.

One or more passages that are counter factual does not
make the whole Bible false. I did neither say nor imply that
” the Bible is counterfacctual”.

As to flood, though, since every relevant fact known to man
is contrary to, or directly disproves world wide flood, what
word other than “ counterfactual” seems apt, to you?

A nearby post refers to respect.

Can you identify the respect in holding counter factual beliefs?

 

[The Liturgist]

A guest,as in one of lesser status than you?

I did not say that.

Please Identify any disrespect I ever show toward
Christianity.

I found the post you just wrote extremely offensive, in that you are attacking our Sacred Scripture on the basis of fringe interpretations which were never embraced by the Orthodox (who have, aside from some churches subverted by politicians, been remarkably consistent, as a whole, in interpreting scripture, going back to at least the fourth century) or most other mainstream denominations.

 

[The Liturgist]

By the way, I would also note that the word “counterfactual” is being somewhat misused in a verbose manner. Since the term is normally used in a technical context, for example, counterfactual conditionals or the use of counterfactuals in machine learning.

It would be better, and less verbose, to use the word “false” (or if you prefer, its somewhat Orwellian counterpart, “untrue”, or in situations where you wish to dispel any risk of suggesting intentional dishonesty, “inaccurate.”)

 

[Astrid]

I did not say that.



I found the post you just wrote extremely offensive, in that you are attacking our Sacred Scripture on the basis of fringe interpretations which were never embraced by the Orthodox (who have, aside from some churches subverted by politicians, been remarkably consistent, as a whole, in interpreting scripture, going back to at least the fourth century) or most other mainstream denominations.

I asked if it was what you meant. You could just have stated why youd
make a point of referring to me as a guest. As distinct from
you.

As for your extreme offense, be offended.
But you are choosing to be offended by
things of your own device, not by anything
actually stated, intended, or implied by me.

Such being unfortunately how you choose to
converase, I feel it’s best to cease.

 

[Apple Sky]

Yes, I know you keep quoting that verse, but as I and others have said before, the word for "circle" in Hebrew can equally well be translated "circuit" or "compass.":

Circuit comes from the word circle. A circuit is a collection of real components, power sources, and signal sources, all connected so current can flow in a complete circle.


The word compass literally means "encircle" which in other words is also called "to go around". A compass is an instrument that is usually a metal or plastic V-shaped drawing tool. It majorly consists of two movable arms, which are hinged together. It is used to draw circles or the parts of circles called arcs

 

[David Lamb]

Circuit comes from the word circle. A circuit is a collection of real components, power sources, and signal sources, all connected so current can flow in a complete circle.


The word compass literally means "encircle" which in other words is also called "to go around". A compass is an instrument that is usually a metal or plastic V-shaped drawing tool. It majorly consists of two movable arms, which are hinged together. It is used to draw circles or the parts of circles called arcs

I know where "circuit" comes from, and what a compass (and a pair of compasses) is/are. Taking the electrical meaning of circuit first, electrical circuits are rarely circular in shape - the electricity flows through the wires, which could be formed into almost any shape. Look inside a radio at all the little wires etc. They are unlikely to form a circle. You say it circuit means to go around. Exactly, so the circuit of the earth could be the orbit of the earth as it goes around the sun. A compass (singular) can mean the range of something, like a singer's vocal compass for example. It can also mean that little gadget which indicates which way is north. The V-shaped drawing tool is really called "a pair of compasses" - at least it was when I was at school. And yes, it/they are used to draw circles, but they are not circles themselves.

 

[Aaron112]

The word compass literally means "encircle" which in other words is also called "to go around". A compass is an instrument that is usually a metal or plastic V-shaped drawing tool. It majorly consists of two movable arms, which are hinged together. It is used to draw circles or the parts of circles called arcs

.....and what does the word door mean ?

 

[Apple Sky]

I know where "circuit" comes from, and what a compass (and a pair of compasses) is/are. Taking the electrical meaning of circuit first, electrical circuits are rarely circular in shape - the electricity flows through the wires, which could be formed into almost any shape. Look inside a radio at all the little wires etc. They are unlikely to form a circle. You say it circuit means to go around. Exactly, so the circuit of the earth could be the orbit of the earth as it goes around the sun. A compass (singular) can mean the range of something, like a singer's vocal compass for example. It can also mean that little gadget which indicates which way is north. The V-shaped drawing tool is really called "a pair of compasses" - at least it was when I was at school. And yes, it/they are used to draw circles, but they are not circles themselves.

WOW - You are really trying i'll give you that

 

[Astrid]

I know where "circuit" comes from, and what a compass (and a pair of compasses) is/are. Taking the electrical meaning of circuit first, electrical circuits are rarely circular in shape - the electricity flows through the wires, which could be formed into almost any shape. Look inside a radio at all the little wires etc. They are unlikely to form a circle. You say it circuit means to go around. Exactly, so the circuit of the earth could be the orbit of the earth as it goes around the sun. A compass (singular) can mean the range of something, like a singer's vocal compass for example. It can also mean that little gadget which indicates which way is north. The V-shaped drawing tool is really called "a pair of compasses" - at least it was when I was at school. And yes, it/they are used to draw circles, but they are not circles themselves.

We all know all of that.

Of what value is it to strain gnats while
avoiding comment on the actual topic?

 

[Astrid]

I did not say that.



I found the post you just wrote extremely offensive, in that you are attacking our Sacred Scripture on the basis of fringe interpretations which were never embraced by the Orthodox (who have, aside from some churches subverted by politicians, been remarkably consistent, as a whole, in interpreting scripture, going back to at least the fourth century) or most other mainstream denominations.

For others who might read this-

I've zero interest in “ attacking” the Bible,
whether or not I consider any of it sacred.

Nobody understands what all of It means.

Some interpretations are unsupportable by
any standards that are reasonable, or even sane.

I comment on those. As do Christians.

 

[Aaron112]

We all know all of that.

Of what value is it to strain gnats while
avoiding comment on the actual topic?

Fills the forum threads up with many many many volumes of posts ! (thus more money for the owner)

 

[d taylor]

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This verse explains why there is a globe earth / outer space deception.
________________________________ NKJV

The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.​

_________________________________ CJB

The heavens declare the glory of God,
the dome of the sky speaks the work of his hands​

________________________________--ESV

The heavens declare the glory of God,
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.​

Satan could not let God's creation bring sinful people. Who do not know God, to a realization that The God of The Bible is The One True God of creation (people and earth their home). Just as The Bible states God creation declares

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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This verse explains why there is a globe earth / outer space deception.
________________________________ NKJV

The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.​

_________________________________ CJB

The heavens declare the glory of God,
the dome of the sky speaks the work of his hands​

________________________________--ESV

The heavens declare the glory of God,
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.​

Satan could not let God's creation bring sinful people. Who do not know God, to a realization that The God of The Bible is The One True God of creation (people and earth their home). Just as The Bible states God creation declares

And yet the Earth is round.

 

[prodromos]

The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.

Amen!
The incredible vastness of God's creation leaves me in absolute awe of His power and majesty, unlike the terrarium model put forward by pagans.

 

[Tinker Grey]

unlike the terrarium model put forward by pagans.

You mean "flerfers"?

 

[Hans Blaster]

You mean "flerfers"?

I thought it was the Israelites.

 

[Niels]

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This verse explains why there is a globe earth / outer space deception.
________________________________ NKJV

The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.​

_________________________________ CJB

The heavens declare the glory of God,
the dome of the sky speaks the work of his hands​

________________________________--ESV

The heavens declare the glory of God,
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.​

Satan could not let God's creation bring sinful people. Who do not know God, to a realization that The God of The Bible is The One True God of creation (people and earth their home). Just as The Bible states God creation declares

The sky is a dome relative to wherever you stand on the surface of a spherical planet. It is above you regardless of your latitude and longitude. The atmosphere is more worthy of being called a firmament than you probably give it credit for. It blocks a lot of dangerous solar radiation, keeps in breathable air, carries rain that supports life, etc. Look at what happened to a planet like Mars with its weakened atmosphere. Just because we can't cut it into chunks as somebody in the past might have thought doesn't mean it isn't substantial. If anything, it is more important than people knew. The Creator made the heavens and the earth as they are in reality. If reality conflicts with an interpretation of scripture, then that interpretation is wrong.

The only God I recognize as such is the creator of what actually is. Including all natural laws and processes. Not the flat earth misconception.

 

[BobRyan]

1. The Bible says that God has "inscribed a circle on the face of the water at the boundary between light and dark" Job 26:10 -- That is exactly how a sphere intersects a plane. The plane of the light coming from the sun is intersected by the Earth such that there is a circle formed around the Earth at the boundary between night and day. This can be seen from space. The Bible is absolutely right.

2. The word translated "firmament" is not "iron dome" rather it means "stretched out". God stretched out the heavens. Is 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

the word circle - is

Strong's H2329 - ḥûḡ​

1. circle, circuit, compass
2. (BDB) vault (of the heavens)

circle, sphere used of the arch or vault:
vault (something in the form of an arch)

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3. Most flat earth models suggest a flat nickle shaped Earth with two local objecting in out atmosphere - a Sun and a moon. That idea has a great many problems.
A. All local objects moving from horizon to horizon -- appear smaller at the distant horizon, then much larger overhead and back to smaller at the opposite horizon . By contrast - very large distant objects appear to be the SAME SIZE whether at the horizon or overhead.
The Sun and Moon can be observed to have the "very large and very distant" object feature. This is irrefutable.

4. A flat Earth with the entire universe orbiting around it - would have exactly the same stars in the same position at 10 pm each night. This is not what we observe.

5. A relatively small and local sun and moon in our atmosphere could never have the sun behind the Earth casting Earth's shadow on the moon in any fashion such as we see in real life. Only the planetary model reflects the real life that we see. Which is impossible for flat Earth models.

 

[d taylor]

And yet the Earth is round.

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The earth was round or close to it, but God knew the Tower of Babel was coming. So before that event, God divided up the circular earth, so he could scatter humanly over the face of the earth after confusing their language at Babel

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.
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Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.