The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[chevyontheriver]

so I guess you are from Iraq?

Nope. But I have more in common with those folks who have kept their faith for nearly 1955 years after leaving Jerusalem when the destruction of the Temple happened than I would ever have with your group. I don't speak Aramaic but we believe the same things. And that would include worshiping on Sunday. Something you think condemns us to hell.

I am non denominational and follow the teachings of Christ, I follow his voice only.

I'll concede you think you are doing that though.

 

[RandyPNW]

I'll concede you think you are doing that though.

If we could "listen to God only" we wouldn't need teachers, or those who correct, reprove, and rebuke. Those who "think" they are listening to God only are actually listening to people who teach Sabbath observance, as well.

But that requires honesty. I hope we can all achieve a measure of "honesty?"

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If we could "listen to God only" we wouldn't need teachers, or those who correct, reprove, and rebuke. Those who "think" they are listening to God only are actually listening to people who teach Sabbath observance, as well.

But that requires honesty. I hope we can all achieve a measure of "honesty?"

Honestly is very important. So Who is speaking here ?

Exo 31:18 18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Lev 23:3 3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,


Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Isa 58:13

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

Eze 44:24 In controversy they shall stand as judges, and judge it according to My judgments. They shall keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed meetings, and they shall hallow My Sabbaths.


Mat 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.


Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Who did Jesus tell us to live by? What man says or what God says?
Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

To claim the observance of the Sabbath didn’t come from God, every one of these Scriptures have a thus saith the Lord, so I agree, its time to have a measure of honesty.

 

[The Liturgist]

IT is not an attack on a particular church to say the truth about the sabbath being on the seventh day not the first.

It is when that denomination, as is the case with the Orthodox Church, makes no claims to the contrary, yet people claim falsely that we claim to have moved the Sabbath.

 

[RandyPNW]

Honestly is very important. So Who is speaking here and on Whose Authority? So Who is really teaching Sabbath observance?

Exo 31:18 18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Lev 23:3 3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,


Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Isa 58:13

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

Eze 44:24 In controversy they shall stand as judges, and judge it according to My judgments. They shall keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed meetings, and they shall hallow My Sabbaths.


Mat 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.


Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Who did Jesus tell us to live by? What man says or what God says?
Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

To claim the observance of the Sabbath didn’t come from God, every one of these Scriptures have a thus saith the Lord, so I agree, its time to have a measure of honesty.

The honesty I'm talking about is being willing to admit that one is listening to more of than just God, that he's listening to teachers as well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The honesty I'm talking about is being willing to admit that one is listening to more of than just God, that he's listening to teachers as well.

Most people that I know who observe the Sabbath, observe the Sabbath because God said so, and later find a denomination that supports what the Scriptures state. The word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105

 

[RandyPNW]

Most people that I know who observe the Sabbath, observe the Sabbath because God said so, and later find a denomination that supports what the Scriptures state. The word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105

Yes, but that's not what I was saying. But okay.

There is a long-standing tradition of wanting to take things literally, even if the full value is, in my view, found in the spiritual. I'd rather be close to Jesus than try to figure out why God gave Israel all of those complicated requirements.

 

[chevyontheriver]

If we could "listen to God only" we wouldn't need teachers, or those who correct, reprove, and rebuke. Those who "think" they are listening to God only are actually listening to people who teach Sabbath observance, as well.

But that requires honesty. I hope we can all achieve a measure of "honesty?"

IF we would 'listen to God only' then there is no reason for the Church at all. But then there would be no reason for the early Church to write out the New Testament like they did because everything could be intuited directly from God. No intermediaries. Just an air drop from God. There would be no reason for pastors either. After all to 'listen to God alone' means not listening to pastors.

I have said many times that every Christian follows traditions, and that the most insidious tradition is the one that insists they have absolutely no tradition they follow. Just the Bible alone and nothing at all else. It is very blinding not to be able to see the tradition one follows because they can't admit, as an article of faith in the tradition they actually follow that they have no tradition.

I know I follow a tradition. It is rooted in the apostles. It is the gnarly old oak tree that started out as an acorn at Pentecost, growing according to the DNA it was founded with. It's a good thing to have that tradition, as it grounds the understanding of what Jesus founded. Without that, following Scripture Alone, I'd have to make it up ad I went, confident that I had the direct pipeline from God to understand all things better than anyone who had gone before me. That's hubris.

 

[RandyPNW]

IF we would 'listen to God only' then there is no reason for the Church at all. But then there would be no reason for the early Church to write out the New Testament like they did because everything could be intuited directly from God. No intermediaries. Just an air drop from God. There would be no reason for pastors either. After all to 'listen to God alone' means not listening to pastors.

I have said many times that every Christian follows traditions, and that the most insidious tradition is the one that insists they have absolutely no tradition they follow. Just the Bible alone and nothing at all else. It is very blinding not to be able to see the tradition one follows because they can't admit, as an article of faith in the tradition they actually follow that they have no tradition.

I know I follow a tradition. It is rooted in the apostles. It is the gnarly old oak tree that started out as an acorn at Pentecost, growing according to the DNA it was founded with. It's a good thing to have that tradition, as it grounds the understanding of what Jesus founded. Without that, following Scripture Alone, I'd have to make it up ad I went, confident that I had the direct pipeline from God to understand all things better than anyone who had gone before me. That's hubris.

Well, the Scripture Only people have a point, and the Apostolic Tradition people have a point, as well. My problem is with those who claim they have a pure no-fail method of hearing God, or what you've called being "intuited directly from God," without any influences. That's what some people, who are less than honest with themselves, would like us to believe.

We are all susceptible to error, both the Scripture Only people and the Apostolic Tradition people. We do need each other. As the Bible says, "have one or two *good* witnesses." And so, we can check our work.

I was part of a Christian cult for a short time. Some Christians still do not want to consider the "Local Church" a "cult." I do. I was in it.

They wanted us to believe that they were the purest church around because unlike those schismatic denominations they were pure and free of schisms. They had one church in each community, without any divisions.

I'm glad I got out of there. What self-deception!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, but that's not what I was saying. But okay.

There is a long-standing tradition of wanting to take things literally, even if the full value is, in my view, found in the spiritual. I'd rather be close to Jesus than try to figure out why God gave Israel all of those complicated requirements.

The law we will be judged by is very literal and spiritual. If we keep them the way Jesus meant for us to keep them- His law in our heart Heb 8:6 , no longer angry with our brother, thou shalt not murder would automictically be kept. If Jesus changes us from living in the flesh, thought of lusts would go away and thou shalt not commit adultery would be kept. The Sabbath is meant to be kept the same way, its not about being lazy, its about taking time out of our busy week on the appointment with God that He gave us, every seventh day Exo 20:10 to rest in Him and focus on Him, Isa 58:13 not on work, not on labors, not on TV, or shopping, or sports but on Christ only so He can spiritually recharge us, bless and sanctify us because we can't do this ourselves, we need Christ Eze 20:12. Obeying the Ten Commandments, which is not complicated its love 1 John 5:3 is about completely resting in Him and in His works Exo 32:16, on what Christ does in us through Him John 14:15-18 by our cooperation love and faith of Jesus Rev 14:12

 

[RandyPNW]

The law we will be judged by is very literal and spiritual. If we keep them the way Jesus meant for us to keep them- His law in our heart Heb 8:6 , no longer angry with our brother, thou shalt not murder would automictically be kept. If Jesus changes us from living in the flesh, thought of lusts would go away and thou shalt not commit adultery would be kept. The Sabbath is meant to be kept the same way, its not about being lazy, its about taking time out of our busy week on the appointment with God that He gave us, every seventh day Exo 20:10 to rest in Him and focus on Him, Isa 58:13 not on work, not on labors, not on TV, or shopping, or sports but on Christ only so He can spiritually recharge us, bless and sanctify us because we can't do this ourselves, we need Christ Eze 20:12. Obeying the Ten Commandments, which is not complicated its love 1 John 5:3 is about completely resting in Him and in His works Exo 32:16, on what Christ does in us through Him John 14:15-18 by our cooperation love and faith of Jesus Rev 14:12

2 Cor 3.7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

What was literally required under the Law of Moses is no longer required of us Christians today. The Law was designed to show that Israel, and thus the whole world, needed redemption.

But Christ himself didn't need redemption. He had a superior righteousness which he could endow us with simply by forgiving us for our failures, and looking only at our desire to walk in his righteousness.

The Law brought temporary forgiveness. Christ not only forgives for all time, but gives us Eternal Life.

The Law was a reminder of Adam's failure in the Garden, and could never bring him back to the Tree of Life. Christ is the only way forward if we want righteousness that cannot be exposed as falling short of Eternal Life.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

2 Cor 3.7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

What was literally required under the Law of Moses is no longer required of us Christians today. The Law was designed to show that Israel, and thus the whole world, needed redemption.

But Christ himself didn't need redemption. He had a superior righteousness which he could endow us with simply by forgiving us for our failures, and looking only at our desire to walk in his righteousness.

The Law brought temporary forgiveness. Christ not only forgives for all time, but gives us Eternal Life.

The Law was a reminder of Adam's failure in the Garden, and could never bring him back to the Tree of Life. Christ is the only way forward if we want righteousness that cannot be exposed as falling short of Eternal Life.

You need to carefully study this passage because Paul is not teaching one to sin Rom 7:7 dishonor God Rom 2:21-23 and be an enmity to God when we break His law Rom 8:7-8. Paul's writings came with a very harsh warning, leading people to destruction if not reconciling because the last thing we want to hear from Jesus on Judgement Day is I don't know you, depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness. He knows us when we keep His commandments 1 John 2:3 those who say they know Him, but keep not His commandments, there is no truth in them 1 John 2:4. All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 even the one God said Remember that is sanctified by God and He blesses when we keep, because it shows our loyalty to Him Eze 20:20, not to the crowd.

I would go over this passage with you if I thought it would make a difference. No Scripture I post seems to make a difference so I guess we will have to agree to disagree, and all gets sorted out soon enough. I wish you well.

 

[RandyPNW]

You need to carefully study this passage because Paul is not teaching one to sin Rom 7:7 dishonor God Rom 2:21-23 and be an enmity to God when we break His law Rom 8:7-8. Paul's writings came with a very harsh warning, leading people to destruction if not reconciling because the last thing we want to hear from Jesus on Judgement Day is I don't know you, depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness. He knows us when we keep His commandments 1 John 2:3 those who say they know Him, but keep not His commandments, there is no truth in them 1 John 2:4. All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 even the one God said Remember that is sanctified by God and He blesses when we keep, because it shows our loyalty to Him Eze 20:20, not to the crowd.

I would go over this passage with you if I thought it would make a difference. No Scripture I post seems to make a difference so I guess we will have to agree to disagree, and all gets sorted out soon enough. I wish you well.

I wish you well too. I don't need to re-read and re-read, though, the passage in question. I've studied these things for a very long time, and evn now, remain open and objective to correction from the Lord.

It just seems so obvious to me what Paul meant, and is exactly as I put it. If you don't want to accept it, that's on you.

You can choose to live by laws that belonged to the Law of Moses if you wish, even though you still call it "Christian." For me, preaching the Law is a form of Judasim, even if it is dressed up in Christian clothes.

I wouldn't say, from my pov, that you're not a "Christian." I would just call you a Christian "in bondage." And I wouldn't have you to keep others in a similar bondage.

Have a nice day...

 

[Dan Perez]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."​

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"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)​

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.​

But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."​

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that instead of being written on stone, it would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:

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"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"​

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:

"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”​

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law—the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are, just as they were placed inside the Ark.

Blessings

# 1 My first points is that the OLD COVENANT , only was given to ISRAEL ONLY >

# 2 It was never given to GENTILES !!

# 3 Hebrews 8:13 says , In that he says , a NEW COVENANT , HE has made the first OBSOETE

nd here is what wrote in ROMANS 13:9 , For the precept , you shall not commit adultery

You shall not commit murder

yoy shall not steal

you shall not testify falsely

you shall not steal

you shall not desire after


dan p

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

# 1 My first points is that the OLD COVENANT , only was given to ISRAEL ONLY >

Hi Dan, the Bible says that anyone can join in see post number 3 of this thread

# 2 It was never given to GENTILES !!

it was given to all who believe as in post no 3 of this thread.

# 3 Hebrews 8:13 says , In that he says , a NEW COVENANT , HE has made the first OBSOETE

nd here is what wrote in ROMANS 13:9 , For the precept , you shall not commit adultery

You shall not commit murder

yoy shall not steal

you shall not testify falsely

you shall not steal

you shall not desire after


dan p

Dan, as you saw, Paul was quoting the commandments part of the covenant. what paul described as obsolete is the rest of the law of Moses that can no longer be applied today such as the sacrificial laws because Jesus was the final sacrifice that cleanses the sins of the world, these laws are no longer necessary. Paul and Jesus were teaching the commandments that are the covenant, these are eternal and are for every one who believes In God and want to do his will.

 

[RandyPNW]

Hi Dan, the Bible says that anyone can join in see post number 3 of this thread

it was given to all who believe as in post no 3 of this thread.

Dan, as you saw, Paul was quoting the commandments part of the covenant. what paul described as obsolete is the rest of the law of Moses that can no longer be applied today such as the sacrificial laws because Jesus was the final sacrifice that cleanses the sins of the world, these laws are no longer necessary. Paul and Jesus were teaching the commandments that are the covenant, these are eternal and are for every one who believes In God and want to do his will.

What you're telling Dan really is wrong, in my view. All the way back to post #3 you're wrong, as I read it.

The Covenant was called "the Covenant" because it was a single covenant, whether it expressly identifies all 613 or so requirements or just a representative subset of that body of Laws, such as the 10 Commandments. In all cases, the reference never intended to reduce "the Covenant" to just the 10 Commandments. The idea was to use the 10 Commandments as representative of the entire Law, including all 613 or so requirements.

Do you have any doubt about this? Should we have any doubt about this? No--just look at how Jesus viewed "the Law," which is regularly identified as "the Covenant" throughout the Bible....

Matt 5.17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

I don't think you can get any more clear on this? Jesus indicated that the Law and the Prophets, which had everything to do with God's Covenant with Israel, identified it as inclusive of *all* of the requirements--not just the 10 Commandments. This is the opposite of what you're saying.

It is certainly true that God identified the placement of the 10 Commandments in the ark as representative of His covenant with Israel. But it is equally true that the 10 Commandments, being placed in the ark, represented Israel keeping the entire set of 613 or so laws...

Deut 5.1 Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb.

Do you really think the "decrees and laws" Moses recited as God's Covenant with Israel that particular day in Deut 1-5 only involved the 10 Commandments? That's ludicrous!

The 10 Commandments are not the "10 Decreees," nor were they the "10 Laws." The 10 Commandments, being placed in the ark, represented how God viewed Israel keeping the entire set of laws, as if they were completely faithful to God in making Him God alone, rejecting all idols and all images, and revering His holiness alone.

Your claim that the Gentiles were under this Covenant is false. The inclusion of Gentiles by intermarriage did not make other nations participants in the Covenant, nor did the observance of some of these laws by sojourners living in the land make them "Israel" or participants in the Covenant.

Only one nation, under the Law, was part of this Covenant, and it was Israel. Any national who joined Israel became part of that one nation, and did not make other political entities equally part of the Covenant. "Gentiles," after all, means "nations," which are political units. "Gentiles" does not refer to ethnic minorities within the single nation of Israel.

It would be absurd to say that Gentile "nations" were included in the singular nation of Israel! While it is true that God was not discriminatory in His Law with respect to ethnic groups, it is not true that His Covenant of Law included any other nation than Israel.

The NT inclusion of Gentile nations in a New Covenant is not the same thing as participating in the Old Covenant of Law. And as I said, the Old Covenant was not exclusively the 10 Commandments, excluding all of the others laws.

Just saying the priesthood, the temple, and the sacrifices were fulfilled in Christ did not make the New Covenant the same as the Old Covenant. By definition, as indicated in Hebrews, a new type of infrastructure indicated by necessity that a new and different covenant had taken place.

Heb 8.7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

What is a "covenant" but conditions laid down in agreement between 2 or more parties? And here it is being referred to in the Scriptures...

Exo 19.4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
7 So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all the words the Lord had commanded him to speak. 8 The people all responded together, “We will do everything the Lord has said.” So Moses brought their answer back to the Lord."

So what were the things the Lord said that would make Israel a "kingdom of priests and a holy nation?" Israel had already been given the Passover law. But in setting forth the conditions of the Covenant *all* of the laws and requirements were presented before Israel at Sinai, and were recited later by Moses in Deut 1-5. The 10 Commandments were indeed called "the Covenant" but they were explicitly to include *all* of the requirements of the entire Law.

 

[Fisherking]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

The PROMISE [of Christ thee seed that would redeem] came 430 years before THE LAW came. The Law was only added because of continual sinning by Israel. Now, the below verses in Gal. 3 destroys your thesis my friend. Why not accept this as factual and move on? As a matter of fact Paul calls the Galatians FOOLISH because having come to Christ BY FAITH (in the spirit) they had started serving God by (THE LAW) trying to please God vis the [works of] THE FLESH. Paul rebukes them, and basically he's saying STOP trying to be Jews is order to gain heaven [by works of the flesh]. This is the chapter that so confuses many people that they think the Church has taken Israel place.

They do this all because Paul is basically saying "HEY Galatian's stop trying to make it to heaven by keeping the Law of Moses" we are all ONE in Christ on how we get to heaven via FAITH ALONE, both Jew and Gentile, Slave and Freeman, Male & Female. How come no one ever says thee is now only ONE SEX? Its the exact same principle being used, if we are all one as a Church new and thus there is no Jew nor Gentile, then that would mean Paul is also claiming we are all one sex now because there are no Male nor Females in Christ. But of course by looking at THE CONTEXT we understand that this is just Paul rebuking the Galatians for foolishly turning back unto the law instead serving God in the Spirit (By Faith alone). The below verses proves this 1000 percent, we are not under THE LAW, but under THE PRIOMISE. And by the way, the Promise was the original Covenant, not the Law who came 430 years later, so its not really a New Covenant, its just new to those Jews who had only known the Law of Moses, but it was never new really, Abraham was considered Righteous because HE BELIEVED God (FAITH ALONE).


Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (The LAW which came 430 years after the PROMISE can not void the Promise)

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed(Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (We are no longer under THE LAW says Paul)

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So, its very cleaer, we ARE NOT under the Law, but the Promise.

 

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Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (The LAW which came 430 years after the PROMISE can not void the Promise)

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed(Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

There is a law that defines sin for breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 and a law that was added because of sin for breaking God's law, because sin is lawlessness 1 John 3:4.

Gal 3:19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.

So two laws, not one.

When Jesus came did He teach we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name, covet, and now steal or break the least of these commandments, He taught the opposite Mat 5:19 so obviously two different laws and the law that ended until the Seed came was the sacrificial law for the forgiveness of sins. Heb 10:1-22 Heb 9:10-15 Why we no longer sacrifice animals for sin, because Jesus became our Sacrificial Lamb. Is it still a sin to covet or steal or worship other gods, of course so, so different laws with different purposes.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (We are no longer under THE LAW says Paul)

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So, its very cleaer, we ARE NOT under the Law, but the Promise.

I love how people use this against keeping God's law. If the law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, can we just skip school, not keep the law and have a college degree. What school ever teaches one to lose their knowledge? When the law brings us to Christ, what does He teach, that we don't have to keep the law? He taught if you love Me, keep My commandments, not to break or teach others the break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30. Why His law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 When do we ever want an unconverted soul?

I think many misunderstand Paul when he says we are not under the law, he explains himself clearly what he means

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Being under the law means being under the condemnation of the law that the whole world, may be guilty before God. The wages of sin is death, being under the condemnation of the law if not in Christ. Those in Christ abide in Him, keeping His commandments following in His footsteps 1 John 10:5-10 1 John 2:6

Paul is not teaching lawlessness because Jesus will say depart from Me, those who practice lawlessness at His Second Coming Mat 7:23

This is what Paul is teaching in context

Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. The condemnation of the law Rom 3:19, not the law itself as Paul clearly shows....

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God

 

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Our loyalty is to God, not a church and with shared church beliefs it usually means compromise and we are not to ever compromise God’s Truth for the sake of unity.

The Church is the body of Christ and as such Christians ought to be loyal to the Church because she is Christ's body.

 

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The Church is the body of Christ and as such Christians ought to be loyal to the Church because she is Christ's body.

We are to be loyal to God, especially when our church is teaching error, like we no longer need to keep God's commandments or they have authority to edit when God said not to. The only way to safeguard our salvation is through Christ, not our church. God knows who is His body of believers (His church) which are those who have the testimony and faith of Jesus and keep the commandments of God Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 When we start putting what the church says over what God says, I do not believe that is going to work out so well.