The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[RandyPNW]

The New Covenant is the old covenant but in put hearts and Mind, ( HAVE YOU READ THE O.P. AT ALL?)

The people who trust in GOD and Love Him having received the Holy spirit know this

The OT is the NT? You're really going to get far with this approach!

 

[fhansen]

Please Prove to me GOD changed his commandments, I always accompany what I write here with proper verses in the proper context to prove my point, unfortunately not many do so or want to do so when asked.

Please prove to me that He didn't initiate that change. I have no reason whatsoever to believe you on the matter. But I have good reason to believe that he correctly instructed his churches in both the east and the west.

 

[fhansen]

I believe you missed the point of what Jesus stated plainly. Revelation shows at the end there are two churches. One that represents God’s true church and the other who may appear as His church, they have such power that the whole world follows them, but it turns out their teachings were made of sand instead of the Rock which is Jesus Christ. We are told God’s church keeps the testimoney of Jesus and the commandments of God Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 , His version, not what was changed we were warned about Dan 7:25. You seem like a nice guy and God has people in all churches but in the end if we do not come out of our false teachings, Jesus said in vain they worship Me, keeping traditions of man over the commandments of God Mat 15:3-14 Mar 7:7-13 I pray we all will make the right decisions based on what God says, not our church.

And the ancinet churches have always taught the keeping of those commandments while strains of antinomianism and law-hating have definitely crept in mainly with the Reformation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And the ancinet churches have always taught the keeping of those commandments while strains of antinomianism and law-hating have definitely crept in mainly with the Reformation.

You keep referring to your church, but our focus should be on Jesus Christ. Would be sad if we followed our church who ended up being the wrong one over following what God said. God said He would not edit His commandments Psa 89:34 Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18 but did warn us about those who would do so Dan 7:25

 

[fhansen]

You keep referring to your church, but our focus should be on Jesus Christ. Would be sad if we followed our church who ended up being the wrong one over following what God said. God said He would not edit His commandments Psa 89:34 Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18 but did warn us about those who would do so Dan 7:25

As you said, the bible mentions the two churches, which means the church and its teachings are important to God- and we know that Christ established one, so shouldn't we be interested in what that church has known and taught and practiced? Somewhere along the line the church of Christ assembled the canon of Scripture, centuries after any of the NT was written. What do you think that church believed and practiced on this matter?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

As you said, the bible mentions the two churches, which means the church and its teachings are important to God- and we know that Christ established one, so shouldn't we be interested in what that church has known and taught and practiced? Somewhere along the line the church of Christ assembled the canon of Scripture, centuries after any of the NT was written. What do you think that church believed and practiced on this matter?

I know that’s what your church says but from my study it’s not what I believe. Pretty sure we are not going to agree on this so I’ll just say I wish you well. Guess we will all find out soon enough.

 

[fhansen]

I know that’s what your church says but from my study it’s not what I believe. Pretty sure we are not going to agree on this so I’ll just say I wish you well. Guess we will all find out soon enough.

History's not completely silent about it by any means and people often believe what they prefer anyway. But, yes, it won't be too much longer for any of us- and then regardless of who's right or wrong in this life at least then none of us will have to put up wirh poor theology anymore .

 

[SabbathBlessings]

History's not completely silent about it by any means and people often believe what they prefer anyway. But, yes, it won't be too much longer for any of us- and then regardless of who's right or wrong in this life at least then none of us will have to put up wirh poor theology anymore .

History has a way of being re-written. People claim a lot of things, why I believe it’s important to believe God’s personal unedited version of His Testimony. Exo 31:18

Anyway appreciate the chat and wish you the best.

 

[trophy33]

What do you do on your Sunday sabbath, you go to church? You listen to the priest teaches, Jesus was doing what his ministry required on the sabbath. he went to the synagogue or temple to teach , this is how many do keep the sabbath, they reflect on God's words read from the Torah in the synagogue! it was part of it. This is proof Jesus keep, the sabbath. To say He did not keep the sabbath contradict scripture, if you do not believe me ask your pastor at your church he will confirm.

I do not have any Sunday sabbath and I do not listen to any priest.

The commandment had nothing to do with synagogues. The commandment in the Decalogue was "you will do no work and nobody in your circle will do any work". It commanded nothing regarding where you should be.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It was a custom of Moses Acts 15:1 not one of the Ten Commandments

God gave more than 10 commandments and I’ve already proven this to you numerous times. Burnt offerings and all of the sabbath days were commandments of God.

““Command the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be careful to present My offering, My food for My offerings by fire, of a soothing aroma to Me, at their appointed time.’”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭28‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

The New Covenant is the old covenant but in put hearts and Mind, ( HAVE YOU READ THE O.P. AT ALL?)

The people who trust in GOD and Love Him having received the Holy spirit know this!

The OP is incorrect. The covenant consisted of everything God had commanded between Exodus 20 and Exodus 24 which is why Moses wrote ALL that the Lord had spoken into the book of the covenant and read it to all the Israelites and they all agreed to do as God had commanded.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God gave more than 10 commandments and I’ve already proven this to you numerous times. Burnt offerings and all of the sabbath days were commandments of God.

““Command the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be careful to present My offering, My food for My offerings by fire, of a soothing aroma to Me, at their appointed time.’”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭28‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I do not think you are either reading what I am stating, or just not understanding. How many times have I stated there are other laws aside from the Ten Commandments? I have even quoted references stating as such directly to you Neh 9:13

But did Moses write the Ten Commandments or did the God of the universe personally do so ? Exo 31:18 Did Moses number them by design or did God? Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Did Moses claim it was his commandments or did God claim this unit as Mine.Exo 20:6 Did Moses claim it as my work, or was it God’s personal work Exo 32:16 Did Moses claim it as the words of my covenant, or did God says it was Mine. Deut 4:13 Is it the personal testimony of Moses, or the personal Testimony of God? Exo 31:18 Was the Ten Commandments inside the ark, or placed beside or outside the ark like all the other laws Deut 31:24-26 , because man writing versus the God of the Bible personally writing is not the same and I pray one day you will see these very important distinction that God made. As if man could ever countermand anything that God personally wrote, personally spoke and is His personal Testimony Exo 31:18. We can’t hence why we see them at the last trumpet revealed in heaven Rev 11:19 because every king has laws, and our King didn’t leave it up to man to write His. If we refuse to accept the way God wants to run His Kingdom without sin, its not giving our God a lot of options Rev 22:14-15 Mat 7:21-23. God has given us everything and asks for so little. John 14:15 Exo 20:6

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The OP is incorrect. The covenant consisted of everything God had commanded between Exodus 20 and Exodus 24 which is why Moses wrote ALL that the Lord had spoken into the book of the covenant and read it to all the Israelites and they all agreed to do as God had commanded.

A covenant just means an agreement. The OP is speaking of the covenant God made with Israel with represents His people and we are told verbatim what it entails

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

In addition God added statues, ordinances, laws and other commandments, but the words of the covenant are the Ten Commandments as shown by the clear Scripture written by God alone.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

As you said, the bible mentions the two churches, which means the church and its teachings are important to God- and we know that Christ established one, so shouldn't we be interested in what that church has known and taught and practiced? Somewhere along the line the church of Christ assembled the canon of Scripture, centuries after any of the NT was written. What do you think that church believed and practiced on this matter?

The church Christ mentions is the body of His believers who keep the commandments of God (His version) and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12 What did Jesus teach how did He live, that was His faith. Thats who we are to follow.

In the Scripture we were told when Jesus came the first time there were priests, pharisees and scribes who believed they held the keys to God’s Word. They were the authority of His Word and everything must be seen through their interpretation and if not the sentence was death. They no longer focused on God’s Word, they focused on their own church, their own so-called religious rites and regulations which they deemed above God’s. The majority thought they were the godly and followed what they taught and kept their manmade rules and missed the Scripture on how Jesus was coming the first time and ended up crucifying God’s only Son because they got it so wrong. Jesus called them hypocrites Mat 15:1-14 . I believe the same thing is going to happen again and is happening already except the last part because Jesus Christ claimed victory at the Cross, but I do believe many are already deceived on how Christ will come the Second time and when satan comes as an angel of light pretending to be God, deceiving the whole world because people didn't study the Scriptures and understand the character of God and what He claimed He would not change. Deut 4:2 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-30

These are the two women or churches in Revelation. One follows the Lamb wherever He goes, the other follows their church. So the only history I need to know is what is in the Bible because there is a spiritual war going on and people can claim anything so I am of the belief we need to study the Scriptures, that is the Authority God’s Word Psa 119:105 and if it goes against this I believe thats not the narrow path Christ tells us to take Isa 8:20

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The OT is the NT? You're really going to get far with this approach!

it's not an approach it is what is written!

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Please prove to me that He didn't initiate that change. I have no reason whatsoever to believe you on the matter. But I have good reason to believe that he correctly instructed his churches in both the east and the west.

Show me the scripture where God changed the Commandments, you can't.

As for God He does not change:
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

there is more in the O.T. that God does not change do a search and see.

Mat 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.

Mat 5:18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Mat 5:19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

I do not have any Sunday sabbath and I do not listen to any priest.

The commandment had nothing to do with synagogues. The commandment in the Decalogue was "you will do no work and nobody in your circle will do any work". It commanded nothing regarding where you should be.

Jesus followed the tradition of reading and teaching the Law in the synagogue on the Sabbath, a practice that had developed during the Babylonian exile when the Jews, unable to worship at the destroyed Temple, gathered in local meeting places to read and study the Scriptures. By His time, synagogues were established in every town, serving as places for prayer, reading the Torah, and learning from teachers. The Law was read in cycles so that the people could hear and understand it, as not everyone had personal copies of the Scriptures. Jews gathered in the synagogue on the Sabbath to worship, learn, and fulfill the commandment of assembling for a holy convocation, as stated in Leviticus 23:3. Jesus Himself participated in this custom, as seen in Luke 4:16-19, where He read from Isaiah and revealed that He was the fulfillment of prophecy. His teaching in synagogues demonstrated His role as the one bringing the true understanding of God's word and the fulfillment of the Law.

 

[trophy33]

Jesus followed the tradition of reading and teaching the Law in the synagogue on the Sabbath, a practice that had developed during the Babylonian exile when the Jews, unable to worship at the destroyed Temple, gathered in local meeting places to read and study the Scriptures. By His time, synagogues were established in every town, serving as places for prayer, reading the Torah, and learning from teachers. The Law was read in cycles so that the people could hear and understand it, as not everyone had personal copies of the Scriptures. Jews gathered in the synagogue on the Sabbath to worship, learn, and fulfill the commandment of assembling for a holy convocation, as stated in Leviticus 23:3. Jesus Himself participated in this custom, as seen in Luke 4:16-19, where He read from Isaiah and revealed that He was the fulfillment of prophecy. His teaching in synagogues demonstrated His role as the one bringing the true understanding of God's word and the fulfillment of the Law.

Seems like some kind of copy&paste text. But it is right. It was just a custom originated during the Babylonian exile. It is not keeping the commandment from the Mosaic Law.

Do you have a verse saying that Jesus kept Sabbath, ceasing all the work? If not, let us just agree that it is not said in the Bible and let us move on instead of this unending dancing around.

 

[fhansen]

The church Christ mentions is the body of His believers who keep the commandments of God (His version) and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12 What did Jesus teach how did He live, that was His faith. Thats who we are to follow.

In the Scripture we were told when Jesus came the first time there were priests, pharisees and scribes who believed they held the keys to God’s Word. They were the authority of His Word and everything must be seen through their interpretation and if not the sentence was death. They no longer focused on God’s Word, they focused on their own church, their own so-called religious rites and regulations which they deemed above God’s. The majority thought they were the godly and followed what they taught and kept their manmade rules and missed the Scripture on how Jesus was coming the first time and ended up crucifying God’s only Son because they got it so wrong. Jesus called them hypocrites Mat 15:1-14 . I believe the same thing is going to happen again and is happening already except the last part because Jesus Christ claimed victory at the Cross, but I do believe many are already deceived on how Christ will come the Second time and when satan comes as an angel of light pretending to be God, deceiving the whole world because people didn't study the Scriptures and understand the character of God and what He claimed He would not change. Deut 4:2 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-30

These are the two women or churches in Revelation. One follows the Lamb wherever He goes, the other follows their church. So the only history I need to know is what is in the Bible because there is a spiritual war going on and people can claim anything so I am of the belief we need to study the Scriptures, that is the Authority God’s Word Psa 119:105 and if it goes against this I believe thats not the narrow path Christ tells us to take Isa 8:20

Ok, so where is that early church? First you denounced the Jewish authorities for focusing on their own "church", comparing it to a false church (which, in truth, they didn't do-they ignored and overrode their traditional teachings instead), but either way you then acknowledge another church that you define as true. In any case the true church would necessarily have to be the one that established the canon of Scripture, defined the doctrine of the Trinity against Arianism, battled against Pelagianism with corresponding doctrines resulting, and always taught the necessity of obedience to the commandments unlike many modern day "churches"/denominations. Or did the church disappear until the SDAs came along? And why, pray tell, would any church even bother changing the way that one commandment was observed, while leaving the others alone if they did not feel completely justifed very early in the game??

 

[ViaCrucis]

it's not an approach it is what is written!

This is what is written:

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." - Hebrews 8:13

-CryptoLutheran