Trump, Vance and Zelenskyy spar over Russian war in tense exchange at White House

[Confused-by-christianity]

My wife and I prayed this morning.

We bipassed our “leaders” and went straight to God. We asked him for the right thing to prevail.

I recommend everyone do the same.

 

[ozso]

Why then? What quotes?

You mean you haven't listened to the exchange or read the transcript? I listed to the whole thing and read some of it as well, and that's the conclusion I came to. Along with many other people. I can't make you see it the same way. Listen to it or read the transcript, and draw your own conclusions.

This is like the umpteenth time someone has asked/told me to post this:

Full transcript: What was said in heated Trump, Zelenskyy and Vance argument in the Oval Office

The argument led to the rest of Zelenskyy's visit being canceled and called into question how much the U.S. will still support Ukraine.

nationalpost.com

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Found this which is interesting;

Through the Ashes of the Minsk Agreements​

Through the Ashes of the Minsk Agreements

Former member of the Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine, Lidia Powirska looks back at the Minsk agreements and why they failed to bring even temporary peace to the Donbas conflict. By Lidia Powirska

epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Zelensky: First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you, you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future.

You think that is offensive and disrespectful.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

You mean you haven't listened to the exchange or read the transcript? I listed to the whole thing and read some of it as well, and that's the conclusion I came to. Along with many other people. I can't make you see it the same way. Listen to it or read the transcript, and draw your own conclusions.

This is like the umpteenth time someone has asked/told me to post this:

Full transcript: What was said in heated Trump, Zelenskyy and Vance argument in the Oval Office

The argument led to the rest of Zelenskyy's visit being canceled and called into question how much the U.S. will still support Ukraine.

nationalpost.com

But what specifically are you referring to?

 

[ozso]

But what specifically are you referring to?

No exact specific isolated part, but rather the context of the overall ten minute exchange.

 

[ozso]

Here's the "MAGA" take on it:

 

[fhansen]

Absolutely disgraceful and shameful.

Trump and Vance absolutely devoid of class, tact and statesmanship. Their ego wasn’t being stroked enough and the inane ramblings started.

I’m glad Zelensky walked away. This was never about peace for Trump, it was holding a gun in one hand and a life jacket in the other.

Yes, and purposefully doing it on the world stage. It should've never been televised to begin with.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Here's the "MAGA" take on it:

So right off the bat insult the guest. Mock him and ask "Why don't you were a suite." How rude!

Then Z asks a question about the diplomacy and Vance is "disrespected".

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You think that is offensive and disrespectful.

I merely pointed out that Zelensky said it.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You think that is offensive and disrespectful.

I was referring to another post #125 by

sanderabeer​

"That's not what Zelensky said, though."

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Anyway. It is over. Let's move on. Zelensky told by NATO Mark Rutte, as distasteful as it is, he needs the United State and therefor must stroke Trumps ego, tell him how great he is and how thankful. And, I think, ultimately accept whatever deal is offered no matter how bad. This is what we should have expected from Trump and Vance. This is what we elected. While some of us are appalled others are proud of it.

 

[ozso]

So right off the bat insult the guest. Mock him and ask "Why don't you were a suite." How rude!

Seems from the perspective of the press member who asked the question, what Zelenskyy was waring was inappropriate and it bothered him.

Then Z asks a question about the diplomacy and Vance is "disrespected".

You're glossing.

 

[trophy33]

Anyway. It is over. Let's move on. Zelensky told by NATO Mark Rutte, as distasteful as it is, he needs the United State and therefor must stroke Trumps ego, tell him how great he is and how thankful. And, I think, ultimately accept whatever deal is offered no matter how bad. This is what we should have expected from Trump and Vance. This is what we elected. While some of us are appalled others are proud of it.

The US administration may get what they want, but it seems to me that the reputation of the USA is damaged, at least for the next 4 years. It drifted away from the EU, Canada and other countries.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Anyway. It is over. Let's move on. Zelensky told by NATO Mark Rutte, as distasteful as it is, he needs the United State and therefor must stroke Trumps ego, tell him how great he is and how thankful. And, I think, ultimately accept whatever deal is offered no matter how bad. This is what we should have expected from Trump and Vance. This is what we elected. While some of us are appalled others are proud of it.

Who knows what the US will do. Who knows what the quality of the deal will be.
Who knows what’s really happening behind the curtain.
If this is a low quality deal or lacks good wisdom - guess who will be fighting !! Ultimately, it’ll be me and my lovely son.

I suggest we take the matter directly to God, if enough of us do that, it will make a real difference.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

The US administration may get what they want, but it seems to me that the reputation of the USA is damaged, at least for the next 4 years. It drifted away from the EU, Canada and other countries.

We can’t force them and shouldn’t coerce them to intervene.

This is all of our problem and we have a direct line to God. That’s better than anything anyone else could provide

 

[ozso]

Biden lost temper with Zelenskyy​

He looks good in a suit

 

[Yarddog]

Trump’s refusal to grant key Zelenskyy demand led to explosive Oval Office clash​

There was a very good interview, on Fox, with Zelenski and Bret Baier. Zelenski explained a lot.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

The US administration may get what they want, but it seems to me that the reputation of the USA is damaged, at least for the next 4 years. It drifted away from the EU, Canada and other cocountries.

Does the opinion of the EU and Canada matter? I know to the Western liberal the only parts of the world that matter are US, Canada and Europe but there is a world of other countries out there.

 

[trophy33]

Does the opinion of the EU and Canada matter?

Yes.