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What is God's name and His son's name?

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Wrong again; and I also see that you doubled down on dodging the question.

I leave it at that. I'm sure that their will be more opportunities to to expose your misconceptions.
Not dodging anything, but YOU are! My question to you was first. I have already exposed your misconceptions...making up things does not somehow make them work as Hebrew words...I guess for you they do. You can continue to believe whatever you please but 1+1 does not =11...
 
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Wrong again; and the evidence is there for all to see.

Exactly; and that goes for Eliezer Ben-Yehuda and the Pharisees.

Now we're getting somewhere.
Just saying the reverse of what I said without any points does not make a strong argument but it was what I expected lol
 
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You have been provided with plenty of evidence, in the face of your bare assertions.
Ohhh "bare assertions" lol...there is that silly debate lingo again! So edgy! You have provided nothing but your opinion...which is wrong. You can't just keep saying "its ancient Hebrew" or "it is ancient Aramaic" when it isn't. You might want to go back and review post 43
 
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Ohhh "bare assertions" lol...there is that silly debate lingo again! So edgy! You have provided nothing but your opinion...which is wrong. You can't just keep saying "its ancient Hebrew" or "it is ancient Aramaic" when it isn't. You might want to go back and review post 43


"Ohhh," or "ooh?"

I started to sit through the flawed arguments of the first video that you presented. He was using manuscripts from the 3rd century AD to shed light on the phonetics of Ancient Hebrew, tsk tsk.

I did however find it interesting that you presented a video that would undermine your own argument.

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and then the final ooh vowel is also
8:00
pronounced long even though we don't
8:02
have long vowels in modern hebrew

YeHO is the theophoric prefix.


I see the levity in your argument too; but seriously...
 
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"Ohhh," or "ooh?"

I started to sit through the flawed arguments of the first video that you presented. He was using manuscripts from the 3rd century AD to shed light on the phonetics of Ancient Hebrew, tsk tsk.

I did however find it interesting that you presented a video that would undermine your own argument.

Transcript:

7:59
and then the final ooh vowel is also
8:00
pronounced long even though we don't
8:02
have long vowels in modern hebrew

I see the levity in your argument too; but seriously...
Again you have no argument...thanks for proving my point...ohhh ooh...tsk tsk...oy vey...whatever
 
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Christians tell me we can call God what ever we want, but not the name Yahwah. I also have Christians say we can call Christ what ever we want, but not Yahshua.
Your above comment could easilty be understood that some Christians to which you refer are knowingly or unknowingly beholding to RT (supersessionism). If not then who do those Christians (into RT?) think they are to instruct Messianic Jews that Yahwah and Yahshua are improper names? Even moreso when taking into account the following scripture verses that indicate Christ Jesus is the physical manifestation of God Incarnate ...

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.​
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through Him (Christ) all might believe. 8 He himself (John) was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.​
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11 He came to that which was His own, but His own did not receive Him. 12 Yet to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God (Yahwah, Yahshua, Immanu El).​
The Word Became Flesh

14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.​

Those Messianic Jewish (Christians) that choose the spelling/pronunciation of Yahwah and/or Yahshua do so (in part) to indicate that they are not into RT i.e. supersessionism as some Christians may be. (unknowingly?).
 
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Your above comment could easilty be understood that some Christians to which you refer are knowingly or unknowingly beholding to RT (supersessionism). If not then who do those Christians (into RT?) think they are to instruct Messianic Jews that Yahwah and Yahshua are improper names? Even moreso when taking into account the following scripture verses that indicate Christ Jesus is the physical manifestation of God Incarnate ...

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.​
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through Him (Christ) all might believe. 8 He himself (John) was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.​
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11 He came to that which was His own, but His own did not receive Him. 12 Yet to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God (Yahwah, Yahshua, Immanu El).​
The Word Became Flesh

14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.​

Those Messianic Jewish (Christians) that choose the spelling/pronunciation of Yahwah and/or Yahshua do so (in part) to indicate that they are not into RT i.e. supersessionism as some Christians may be. (unknowingly?).

It is my opinion that maybe they (some Jews and Christians) are trying to conceal the name of God and Christ.

According to the bible we are under a New Covenant and Priesthood.

  • Psalm 110:4
    The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”

  • Hebrews 5:6
    And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”
 
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It is my opinion that maybe they (some Jews and Christians) are trying to conceal the name of God and Christ.

As for myself: it certainly wasn't me who decided to hide anything in nomina sacra.

According to the bible we are under a New Covenant and Priesthood.
  • Psalm 110:4
    The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”

  • Hebrews 5:6
    And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”

Yes, the Kohen Gadol reveals both, (Mat 11:27, in addition to all other related passages previously posted).
 
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It is my opinion that maybe they (some Jews and Christians) are trying to conceal the name of God and Christ.
"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written that no man knew, but He Himself." (Rev 19:12 - KJ21 )​
As for myself: it certainly wasn't me who decided to hide anything in nomina sacra.
Is Rev. 19:12 referring to just the Son's name, the Father's name or both Father and Son?

Shabbat Shalom
 
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"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written that no man knew, but He Himself." (Rev 19:12 - KJ21 )​

Is Rev. 19:12 referring to just the Son's name, the Father's name or both Father and Son?

Shabbat Shalom

Shabbat Shalom.

It's pretty clear by what follows in the text, right? I believe what it says:

Revelation 19:13-16 ASV
13 And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.
15 And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty.
16 And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
 
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Then you would not have said what you did...
The early Aramaic and Hebrew vowel system is reconstructed as a o i u

In later Jewish tradition, the vowel associated with the word "Adonai" was added to the middle consonants of the Tetragrammaton as a reminded to say Adonai in place of the name.
 
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It's not worth arquing over... depends on your religious education and pronunciation.
... so in a way you're both right from your own religious preference perspective :liturgy:

For example:: Israel and Yisra'El ... Jerusalem and Yerushalayim
 
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The early Aramaic and Hebrew vowel system is reconstructed as a o i u

In later Jewish tradition, the vowel associated with the word "Adonai" was added to the middle consonants of the Tetragrammaton as a reminder to say Adonai in place of the name.
also acknowledge "Hashem" as is often heard in a Jewish Messianic congregation.
 
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