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Why religion cannot make its mind up about nudity

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I don’t have lust, actually. And when I dress, I dress for myself and my needs, not because I want a reaction from men. It’s insanely self-centered and egomaniacal to think women wake up every day with a specific goal of crafting themselves to appeal to you and your desires.

In fact, I dare say most women look at a guy who says women dress like prostitutes and the thought furthest from their mind is “now there’s a guy who’s good opinion and attention I’m desperate to lure because he has a healthy view of women.”
Wanting to be beautiful is lust. If it were normal then everyone would be beautiful but they're not. Also the men who who have lust in their heart look at you. Why entice them?
 
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Love doesn't entice it's neighbor with its body

I do think the OP is interesting in the sense of IF one is looking at it from.a "who is at fault?" position.

From a Christian perspective, after the fall every person is born with a sin nature, therefore, will lust, and that is not limited to sexuality.

This next thing is important to get as, although I still haven't heard the podcast, believe it MAYBE what the OP is inferring, which would have some validity in scripture.

The introduction of laws just magnifies and multiplies sin if we look to it for cleansing from sin.


Romans 5:
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.


Now here we go ...

Romans 5:
20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 7:
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[b] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.


Basically, the law shows us what is in us and our inability to change at heart of our own. The more we try and change by the letter of the law, the more power we give to the sin nature and the more it multiplies.

Do we fault the law? Certainly not, as Paul said. The law is good, we are not.

I can catch truths in what atheist have to share, but it is a view that is shrouded in darkness. And many of us that claim to know God, can have the same view, even if just with a different twist.

I would imagine that both may take offense to that, but I'm not here to convert or condemn anyone. Just sharing the Christian perspective as I know it, realizing I am still learning and growing. Must say though, i feel pretty good with where I am at, all glory to God because apart from Him, His righteousness that He has given me, and his grace, my righteousness has an awful stank.
 
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I do think the OP is interesting in the sense of IF one is looking at it from.a "who is at fault?" position.

From a Christian perspective, after the fall every person is born with a sin nature, therefore, will lust, and that is not limited to sexuality.

This next thing is important to get as, although I still haven't heard the podcast, believe it MAYBE what the OP is inferring, which would have some validity in scripture.

The introduction of laws just magnifies and multiplies sin if we look to it for cleansing from sin.


Romans 5:
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.


Now here we go ...

Romans 5:
20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 7:
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[b] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.


Basically, the law shows us what is in us and our inability to change at heart of our own. The more we try and change by the letter of the law, the more power we give to the sin nature and the more it multiplies.

Do we fault the law? Certainly not, as Paul said. The law is good, we are not.

I can catch truths in what atheist have to share, but it is a view that is shrouded in darkness. And many of us that claim to know God, can have the same view, even if just with a different twist.

I would imagine that both may take offense to that, but I'm not here to convert or condemn anyone. Just sharing the Christian perspective as I know it, realizing I am still learning and growing. Must say though, i feel pretty good with where I am at, all glory to God because apart from Him, His righteousness that He has given me, and his grace, my righteousness has an awful stank.
I don't sin. I'm not sure why you posted all that scripture
 
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I don't sin. I'm not sure why you posted all that scripture
Was more for the atheists. To show them them that scriptures can support their view to a degree, but not fully.

Believe I just meant to say something to you, so I hit the reply button, then, as can happen, I got swept away.
 
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I don't sin. I'm not sure why you posted all that scripture
1 John 1:8 says, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." This verse warns against the self-deception of claiming to be without sin.
 
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I do think the OP is interesting in the sense of IF one is looking at it from.a "who is at fault?" position.

From a Christian perspective, after the fall every person is born with a sin nature, therefore, will lust, and that is not limited to sexuality.

This next thing is important to get as, although I still haven't heard the podcast, believe it MAYBE what the OP is inferring, which would have some validity in scripture.

The introduction of laws just magnifies and multiplies sin if we look to it for cleansing from sin.


Romans 5:
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.


Now here we go ...

Romans 5:
20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 7:
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[b] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.


Basically, the law shows us what is in us and our inability to change at heart of our own. The more we try and change by the letter of the law, the more power we give to the sin nature and the more it multiplies.

Do we fault the law? Certainly not, as Paul said. The law is good, we are not.

I can catch truths in what atheist have to share, but it is a view that is shrouded in darkness. And many of us that claim to know God, can have the same view, even if just with a different twist.

I would imagine that both may take offense to that, but I'm not here to convert or condemn anyone. Just sharing the Christian perspective as I know it, realizing I am still learning and growing. Must say though, i feel pretty good with where I am at, all glory to God because apart from Him, His righteousness that He has given me, and his grace, my righteousness has an awful stank.
I used Jesus commandments to purify myself. Of course I needed God's help with one particular sin.
 
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1 John 1:8 says, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." This verse warns against the self-deception of claiming to be without sin.
I have plenty of sin but I repented. Sin is of the devil. It's not fruit of the spirit. Those who sow to the flesh reap corruption
 
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1 John 1:8 says, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." This verse warns against the self-deception of claiming to be without sin.
God be with you with that. Don't think she's there yet, but the Lord may work it out with you and her. Just saying ...
 
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God be with you with that. Don't think he's there yet, but the Lord may work it out with you and him. Just saying ...
And i actually have to agree to a degree, the new man in Christ is hid with Christ and does not sin, but we can still commit sin in the flesh.
 
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And i actually have to agree to a degree, the new man in Christ is hid with Christ and does not sin, but we can still commit sin in the flesh.
I stopped fornication. I will never go back because I love God and my body is his temple. If you guys are fornicators then I'll pray for you
 
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Looks like Paul didn't tolerate unrepentant sin. Looks like we can stop sinning after all.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
 
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