Trump: Ukraine “Never Should Have Started War” with Russia

[Pommer]

Which is what liberals vilified Bush for but now strangely are supporting for some reason.

Given that both Bush (II) Administrations were a walk-in-the-park compared to Hurricane Donlon, this surprises you?

 

[Bradskii]

I honestly think that idea is absurd. I don’t take orders from “just anyone”, I just submit to governing authorities as per Romans 13.

And they would be whomever God has chosen. You literally said so yourself. So if Putin rules Russia then it is God's will. If Putin invades a sovereign country then it is God's will. If hundreds of thousands die because of this maniacs perverted desires then...is it still God's will? Could you not consider Him testing your reaction?

Nah. That's too hard to do because it involves personal responsibility. It means that you yourself have to decide the difference between good and evil. Rather than being told.

 

[Goonie]

That’s inconsistent with Christian morality since we believe that God determines who is the ruler of any given nation, and that God is the ultimate absolute authority who will eventually supersede all authorities any group of people might choose for themselves. (I suppose that’s at least part of the reason why you are an atheist, if these messages accurately represent your views - you simply do not wish to submit to an governing authority that you did not choose for yourself.)

Because, by hook or by crook, Putin is the leader of the Russian nation, God has appointed him to that position. Therefore I have to acknowledge that fact even though I disagree with Mr. Putin’s decision not to respect the will of another sovereign nation by choosing to invade its territory and kill a bunch of people.

I have read enough facts about how the Russian government is run and how Vlademir has manipulated it and the Russian media to go along with this. I just tend to resist emotional characterizations of all kinds, and would just prefer to refer to Putin’s actions and crimes. But that is a convenient summary.

And on that basis God must take full responsibility for appointing Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust. It makes the idea of a loving God a terrible joke.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Well if the USA were to be invaded by a nation several times over, with significant parts of its territory under occupation and active fighting going on all over, no one would blink because that's what happens. You keep trying to push this Russian propaganda point (and I bet you never once mentioned it until Trump started doing it as well), but never actually address the pesky fact that there's an active war going on. We know why though, kinda destroys your whole point.

Yeah. And we called him Franklin Roosevelt, and he was such an "awesome" president that congress immediately passed the 22 amendment to limit presidential terms. Are you suggesting right now, that if Trump declared a national emergency that installed him as president until he "feels it otherwise necessary", people would not be comparing him to (forgive my needy star wars reference) chancellor palipatine?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Given that both Bush (II) Administrations were a walk-in-the-park compared to "Hurricane Donlon, this surprises you?

I am not sure what Hurricane Donlon" is, perhaps you are confused with "Hurricane Crossfire?" Regardless, I don't understand your point.

 

[expos4ever]

Well, when a definition of "democracy" suspends elections....

As always, context is important. From the BBC (I added the underline):

Zelensky's first five-year term of office was due to come to an end in May 2024. However, Ukraine has been under martial law since the Russian invasion in February 2022, which means elections are suspended.

Ukraine's martial laws were drafted in 2015 - shortly after Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula and years before Zelensky and his Servant of the People party came to power.

Independent observers from the OSCE said the 2019 election had been "competitive and fundamental freedoms were generally respected".

Zelensky won 73% of the vote in the second-round run-off.

Zelensky has vowed to hold a new election once the conflict ends and has yet to confirm that he intends to stand. Some experts have observed that holding elections in Ukraine before the conflict ends would be practically impossible, as Russian attacks on many cities persist and millions of citizens are displaced abroad or living under Russian occupation.

Has Zelensky suspended elections? Yes. But consider the situation the country is in.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

You too. But it does not change the reality that Europe has enjoyed decades of American sovereignty giving them a sense of safety that they have continously taken for granted and have shown little to no appreciation for. So I hope that after a few short years of Europe "fending for themselves" that they will become stronger and more independent as a result. As opposed to just sitting on the couch and playing video games and feeling entitled to the US (their parent) to provide and protect them while throwing a temper tantrum for merely asking for the bare minimum like taking out the trash.

Your statement shows a lack of historical knowledge.

Since the establishment of NATO, Article 5 has been invoked only once, following the events of September 11, 2001. European sons and daughters have sacrificed their lives to safeguard American freedom.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Zelensky was a democratically elected leader. However, he and his party have been behaving, and are still behaving, like tyrants restricting the free speech rights and freedom of religion rights from Ukrainians who want different, or better, leaders.

Democrats says the same thing about President Trump, that doesn’t make it true.

Democrats make similar claims about President Trump; however, that does not necessarily mean they are true. Zelensky is democratically elected President, end of the story.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

From the BBC

Ah, take advice about democracy from a country that the United States whipped because they became a tyranny and later learned about democracy after we had whipped them.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

In some countries the norm is for families to stay together and help each other.

Ah, yes... "In some countries." Did you know that in "some countries," its perfectly natural for an eleven year old girl to be married off and forcefully raped by a 46 year old man? With that said, just know that I dont give a flip about what happens in "some countries" as if their morals are equal to ours. All I am going to say is this, if my son, at the age of 35, was still living in my basement and spending all his money on video game downloadable content instead of rent or contributing to the bills, he/she would be out on the streets the same day.

 

[rambot]

Not to mention that Zelensky basically installed himself as a permanent leader until he felt like there was no longer a national threat. Yeah, just imagine how far that would fly if Trump had done the same thing.

Still more popular than trump.

In fact since the war has started he's had higher popularity than trump has EVER had.

Putin has basically installed himself dictator foe the last 24 years and you don't say a word?

Pffft.

 

[Larniavc]

Ah, take advice about democracy from a country that the United States whipped because they became a tyranny and later learned about democracy after we had whipped them.

You have conveniently (again) to mention the other Nations who had to help America not lose in those conflicts.

Unless they are killing each other Americans fair poorly without external support in warfare.

 

[Larniavc]

Ah, yes... "In some countries." Did you know that in "some countries," its perfectly natural for an eleven year old girl to be married off and forcefully raped by a 46 year old man? With that said, just know that I dont give a flip about what happens in "some countries" as if their morals are equal to ours. All I am going to say is this, if my son, at the age of 35, was still living in my basement and spending all his money on video game downloadable content instead of rent or contributing to the bills, he/she would be out on the streets the same day.

By some countries you mean America?

https://amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article288549263.html

 

[DaisyDay]

Here's some good news: although I disagree with this deal, Ukraine will survive another day. And that is good enough for me. We can return the minerals Rights after four years when a president with less greed assumes office.

Trump official says Zelenskyy will sign US minerals deal ‘in the very short term’

National security adviser Mike Waltz tells CPAC agreement is expected imminently as part of ceasefire negotiations

www.theguardian.com

Extortion.

 

[expos4ever]

Now let us use it wisely, because all we really want is peace, and to be good neighbors, and to have good neighbors.

Perhaps that is what you want; however the abominable, bullying, and disgusting behavior of Mr. Trump is not going to secure "good neighbours". I am from Canada. Up to this point in history, we have enjoyed excellent relationships with the US. But - trust me on this - when the 51st state stuff started, this has all changed. To a man and woman, all the people I know are outraged and deeply offended. When I go to my next US-Canada sports event, I will join the lusty booing of the US national anthem. But lest there be any misunderstanding - I hope most Americans have the sense to know that we are booing Mr. Trump and his hard-core followers, not Americans in general. Quite the contrary, I have never felt closer to my American friends who are speaking out against this awful man.

The man is literally beneath contempt. As are those of his supporters who affirm some of his behaviours. For example, anyone who supports the idea of using economic bullying to annex Canada is, in my view, a deeply flawed human being who should bend their footsteps with all haste in the direction of a counselor who can help them understand that bullying, in all it forms, is entirely unacceptable. And that any Christian would endorse his bullying brings shame and disgrace to the church.

 

[soldier of light]

Ukraine is corrupt

 

[expos4ever]

Ah, take advice about democracy from a country that the United States whipped because they became a tyranny and later learned about democracy after we had whipped them.

And, of course, you evade. Do you think that an objective reader will not realize you have entirely ignored the content of what the BBC article said. Seemingly unable to deal with the actual content of the BBS article, you try to soil their reputation by drawing a fanciful, tissue-thin, connection to the behaviour of the country that hosts it more than 200 years in the past?

Imagine how silly it would be for me to ignore the content of an article form some German news agency in 2025 by arbitrarily connecting that agency to the behaviour of the 3rd Reich in the 1930s.

 

[SimplyMe]

Ah, take advice about democracy from a country that the United States whipped because they became a tyranny and later learned about democracy after we had whipped them.

Sorry, you need to brush up on your history. Great Britain was a Constitutional Monarchy when we fought them, complete with a democratically elected Parliament. If you recall, one of the primary reasons given for the Revolutionary War is because the American colonies had no representation in Parliament (remember the "No taxation without representation" cry?). While the King still did have more power than the British kings of today, the fact remains that, even then, laws were passed by Parliament.

 

[Desk trauma]

Ukraine is corrupt

And?

 

[Lukaris]

I don't think I see what you see, particularly since most of the critical comments come from members of Trump's administration. But even many of those talk about the proposal from the US, that they are trying to force Zelensky to take, "It's a [deleted word that means excrement] sandwich." And they go on to say, "But Ukraine is going to have to eat it because [Trump] has made clear this is no longer our problem."

Can you imagine if we were attacked by China and things weren't going well (since they can just keep sending far more soldiers than we could field) and when our allies tried to help us, they demanded that we had to cede parts of the US to China, give billions of dollars in mineral rights to our allies for helping us, etc? I would think whoever the President was would have strong objections to those demands.

Ukraine is corrupt

Ukraine needs a chance to actually breathe to establish a less corrupt situation. It has not had a chance be independent and free of Russian or western manipulations.

I only meant to quote ‘soldier of light’ but accidentally got ‘simply me’ also.