Trump: Ukraine “Never Should Have Started War” with Russia

[Vambram]

To quote another poster.....

I am glad that your opinion is not in the majority of the USA.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Sadly there is currently an upcoming election in germany, and our politicians don't tell us any hard truths before the election. That has been tried in the 90s and immediately punished at the polls. So we'll have to wait until next week before our politicians "find" all the problems and explain to us that we'll have to buckle up and not expect any of the benefactions they have been promising.

Are you saying that Germany, one of the most sophisticated societies in the world, has to wait until after the election to know the truth about their situation? If so, it seems they deserve the treatment they receive from the US and Russia.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Here's some good news: although I disagree with this deal, Ukraine will survive another day. And that is good enough for me. We can return the minerals Rights after four years when a president with less greed assumes office.

Trump official says Zelenskyy will sign US minerals deal ‘in the very short term’

National security adviser Mike Waltz tells CPAC agreement is expected imminently as part of ceasefire negotiations

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nithavela]

Are you saying that Germany, one of the most sophisticated societies in the world, has to wait until after the election to know the truth about their situation? If so, it seems they deserve the treatment they receive from the US and Russia.

We know full well what's going on, it seems that most of our politicians are just too cowardly to say because they fear for their votes.

 

[Bradskii]

I’m a finite human being with finite resources at my disposal. I’m a 31 year old woman who lives thousands of miles away and doesn’t even have the financial resources to travel as far as Ukraine. And what is one woman to do? I would just get killed.

The best that could come from me is a cheap denouncing of the injustice of the war on social media and ruining my mental health by burning with rage against Putin, the latter of which I will not do. Sometimes I accept that I can’t solve every problem in the world, and that God has to solve it instead of me. That’s called sanity. I also would rather focus on the problems I can solve with the resources I actually have where I am at. That’s called effectiveness. Surely even an atheist can appreciate those values?

Does anyone seriously think that you have to take up arms yourself? For heaven's sake, give your moral support to those that do.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Engaging in a debate about geopolitics with those who compare the Europe-US alliance to unruly teenagers is not productive. Have a good weekend.

You too. But it does not change the reality that Europe has enjoyed decades of American sovereignty giving them a sense of safety that they have continously taken for granted and have shown little to no appreciation for. So I hope that after a few short years of Europe "fending for themselves" that they will become stronger and more independent as a result. As opposed to just sitting on the couch and playing video games and feeling entitled to the US (their parent) to provide and protect them while throwing a temper tantrum for merely asking for the bare minimum like taking out the trash.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I left when I was 14. They are middle aged and still have not left the nest?

Yes.

 

[Vambram]

Opinions may vary, but facts remain facts. Zelensky is a democratically elected leader, whereas Putin is coercing people to vote for him and executing any potential opposition leaders.

Zelensky was a democratically elected leader. However, he and his party have been behaving, and are still behaving, like tyrants restricting the free speech rights and freedom of religion rights from Ukrainians who want different, or better, leaders.

 

[Lukaris]

Trump has been pretty transparent about what his idea of the presidency is.
He wants immunity from the law.
He wants to gain total control of the law, the justice system, and pretty much everything.
He openly said before the election that he would pardon people who illegally do violence for him, who attack the police, or the government for him.
He wants to put his wealthy elite buddies into the highest positions either to destroy the departments that he gives them or to enrich themselves and him. He wants to reduce taxes for the wealthy and put taxes onto the common consumers (such as tariffs). He wants to reduce costs for the wealthy by removing environmental protections. He wants to stop brown people entering the country and kick brown people out of the country. He wants to stop benefits and aid going to the poor, stop medicade, remove price limits on medication. He wants to remove USA from being an active participant in global initiatives such as the Paris accord, WHO, potentially NATO, he wants to stop USA from supporting poor nations, poor people, wants to stop USA helping on a global level to contain contagious outbreaks. He wants to destroy USA's ally relationships, he wants to cosy up to dictatorships and strong men.

People should stop complaining. This is what USA voted for. This is what you will get for the next 4 years. You willingly voted for this.
While I have sympathy for the world, like Ukraine and those nations that used to benefit from USAID, like many poor and impoverished African nations, and pretty much every country which is now more likely to experience another global pandemic. I do not have any sympathy for USA, you got to vote, this is what you get, this is what you deserve.

Conservatives voted for control of our borders since we already gave immigration and refugee policies instead of unchecked mass migrations. It is the left which must have an economic stake in the human trafficking industry since it thrives with their governance.

This is largely a bipartisan enterprise in the US since 1990 with the 2 wars in Iraq, the selective demonization of the Serbs during the breakup of Yugoslavia ( all sides were bad but NATO said otherwise I guess ), selling out our economy to China, chaos in Ukraine started in 2014 & culminated in 2022 all negative turns outside of Trump’s administration, the Arab Spring debacle & migration crises abetted by democrat interests etc etc

We probably won’t know the full picture of what is happening with DOGE until we are in another crisis like now. Just like during Covid 19, Trump secured our borders & the same low grade race baiting rhetoric was applied. Elsewhere a leftist like an Ardern was hailed a hero for doing the same. We later found out about Fauci & Wuhan

Anthony Fauci gives misleading, evasive answers about NIH-funded research at Wuhan lab

At a congressional hearing, Anthony Fauci tried to dismiss credible claims that his agency funded gain-of-function research.

reason.com

The same reasons for voting for Trump are applicable to support of a candidate like Mike Pence who probably could have achieved better & more moderate results. The same false righteous & crisis mongering would probably be the same.

 

[linux.poet]

Does anyone seriously think that you have to take up arms yourself? For heaven's sake, give your moral support to those that do.

Why should I encourage people to fight a war that they are likely going to lose?

I don’t know man, blind military emotionalism just looks like heartbreak to me. I’m way too calculating for that. I count the cost of my towers before I build them, and that includes the cost to defend said tower from hostile authority figures.

Zelensky was a democratically elected leader. However, he and his party have been behaving, and are still behaving, like tyrants restricting the free speech rights and freedom of religion rights from Ukrainians who want different, or better, leaders.

Whatever Zelensky’s problems are, his rule is better than being under the control of Russian military occupation.

 

[Pommer]

Why should I encourage people to fight a war that they are likely going to lose?

Should we walk away from our commitments to an ally?

 

[Lukaris]

Is there more to the rift between Trump & Zelensky than has been massively reported? While Trump has issues here, there might be issues with Zelensky also. An article from Axios ( which is described as center to moderately liberal) seems to indicate more details.

https://www.axios.com/2025/02/21/zelensky-trump-five-moves-ukraine-russia

Info on Axios from wiki:


According to a 2020 Knight Foundation study, Axios is generally read by a moderate audience, leaning slightly toward the left.[25]

Axios (website) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Vambram]

Why should I encourage people to fight a war that they are likely going to lose?

I don’t know man, blind military emotionalism just looks like heartbreak to me. I’m way too calculating for that. I count the cost of my towers before I build them, and that includes the cost to defend said tower from hostile authority figures.

Whatever Zelensky’s problems are, his rule is better than being under the control of Russian military occupation.

I do agree that it would be a real tragedy for the Ukrainians to live under the control of Russian military occupation.

 

[Bradskii]

Why should I encourage people to fight a war that they are likely going to lose?

Why indeed. Your rule appears to be to only support countries who suffer naked aggression from dictators if they can win. The morality of the situation seems more of an inconvenience to you.

 

[SimplyMe]

Is there more to the rift between Trump & Zelensky than has been massively reported? While Trump has issues here, there might be issues with Zelensky also. An article from Axios ( which is described as center to moderately liberal) seems to indicate more details.

https://www.axios.com/2025/02/21/zelensky-trump-five-moves-ukraine-russia

Info on Axios from wiki:


According to a 2020 Knight Foundation study, Axios is generally read by a moderate audience, leaning slightly toward the left.[25]

Axios (website) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't think I see what you see, particularly since most of the critical comments come from members of Trump's administration. But even many of those talk about the proposal from the US, that they are trying to force Zelensky to take, "It's a [deleted word that means excrement] sandwich." And they go on to say, "But Ukraine is going to have to eat it because [Trump] has made clear this is no longer our problem."

Can you imagine if we were attacked by China and things weren't going well (since they can just keep sending far more soldiers than we could field) and when our allies tried to help us, they demanded that we had to cede parts of the US to China, give billions of dollars in mineral rights to our allies for helping us, etc? I would think whoever the President was would have strong objections to those demands.

 

[Vambram]

https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/ukraine-war-map-tracking-frontlines

How much longer shall this war continue? Or, should we be looking for diplomacy to end this war? How many more Russians and Ukrainians need to die, or be severely wounded, before diplomacy ENDS this war?

 

[stevil]

Conservatives voted for control of our borders since we already gave immigration and refugee policies instead of unchecked mass migrations. It is the left which must have an economic stake in the human trafficking industry since it thrives with their governance.

Except you voted for the party that voted against the bipartisan border bill.

The same reasons for voting for Trump are applicable to support of a candidate like Mike Pence who probably could have achieved better & more moderate results. The same false righteous & crisis mongering would probably be the same.

Republican voters hate Pence, merely because he didn't illegally steal the 2020 election for Trump on Jan 6

 

[Vambram]

Except you voted for the party that voted against the bipartisan border bill.

The bipartisan border bill that you are talking about would have done nothing to solve the problem of massive illegal immigration. It wasn't worth the paper upon which it was printed. If you want to know how to stop the massive amounts of illegal immigration, all you need to do is watch how the Trump Administration is doing it this past month.

 

[Larniavc]

It is your world, do what you want, but we did not endorse war. Do you know what a Hippie is?

That's gibberish. Please try harder.

 

[Larniavc]

The only two I'm aware of that aren't (though I might have missed a couple) are Spain and Italy.

Historically wrong 'uns.