Trump: Ukraine “Never Should Have Started War” with Russia

[loveofourlord]

I don't think anyone expected this.

Perhaps a less favourable outcome than Ukraine would hope for if it ended the war, but this is just too much.

I think Ukraine would cede territory so long as there were concrete plans in place to prevent this happening again, like NATO membership.

That would have been the compromise that seemed lost likely to me. Both sides lose, both sides gain, and ol' Donald gets another 'deal' to tout.

maybe not to the degree, but a lot of this he was planning, the US is losing their economic power, most of their alies are turning against them. Not sure what trump expects to have happen by threatening Canada and Mexico, and Gaza, turning on Ukraine and such.

 

[eclipsenow]

Now Zelenskyy's a dictator?

Trump's only been in a month in and he's more erratic and unstable than ever!

Trump promised to end the war in 24 hours. Now that he's discovered the world is a great big complicated place - his pathological narcissism demands that he "simplify" the world. Like one of his real estate cons going bad - he seems to narrow everything down to profit - and who he can threaten and cajole to pay his own bills. Abstract concepts like historical 'allies' and honouring decades of western political alliances just escape him. Instead - it's time to whine about everything being so unfair and stacked against him or America.

Waa! America paid money to stop Russia marching straight towards the borders of Europe. (The EU paid more - Trump is LYING that America paid more!)

Waa! Ukraine must therefore give half their mineral resources to America as compensation!
(I mean - what is actually happening in his head right now?)

Waa! Why does Europe not love what I'm saying?

Waa! I don't understand why they have such different economic systems to America - they must all be socialists - so I'll get Vance to lecture them on freedom of speech! Because really, they should only listen to my buddies Fox 'news' and 'Truth Social'.

Waa! I want to be like Putin - and so will have meetings with my hero!
(Rather than the victim of a brutal invasion and war crimes.)

Waa! I like Putin - so that other guy must have started the war - and when is he going? Are they having an election yet? No? Therefore he MUST BE A DICTATOR!


Honestly - I'm at a loss for words. The mind boggles that he can actually say stuff like this in public. Are the Generals ready? Is his doctor on hand? You can read more at The Guardian - but it's everywhere - the radio, YouTube, everywhere. I never thought America would fall as far as it has.

I honestly didn't think Trump still had the capacity to shock me. But this is not just enraging - it's revolting.

But it's also a bit scary. Is the guy OK? Is he all there? Is it time for the 25th?
It's time for some Bernie.
Call me a Socialist if you want - I just don't care today.
The reality is far more complicated - I'm Australian!

 

[Fantine]

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

"I think you have to give them some space… There is a negotiation going on," said Sen. Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D.

Trump on Tuesday night said Ukraine "never should have started" the war, and doubled down by calling Zelenskyy a "dictator" because Ukraine hasn’t held elections since Russia invaded the country in 2022.

"Ukraine clearly did not start this war," Sen. Pete Ricketts, R-Neb., wrote on X. "The fact is that Russia invaded Ukraine and must be held accountable. Otherwise, aggressors will be encouraged in their bad actions."

Still, the Nebraska senator commended Trump for trying to end the war.
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., backed up the president’s push for elections. "We held elections during World War II. Britain held elections during World War II. If they're a democracy, they should hold elections. I don't think that's difficult," he told reporters Thursday.

"[Zelenskyy] is the elected leader of the country," said Hawley. "But, you know, at a certain point you've got to hold elections."

Vice President JD Vance was on Capitol Hill for a lunch with Republican senators, but the president's bold assertion about the Ukrainian leader was not a topic of discussion, according to Hawley.

Zelenskyy was originally up for re-election in April 2024, but Ukraine’s constitution bars holding elections until the president lifts the martial law order he instituted after the 2022 invasion.

"Well, we've got to have elections," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said when asked about the comments.

Ooh! Ooh! Does that mean if Trump starts trouble in Greenland or Panama we should get an election, too? Can't wait.

 

[7thKeeper]

Zelinsky is no better than Putin.

How to put this in a clear manner...?
Not. Even. Close.

I'm done supporting crazy dictators all around the world myself, and I'm done creating the conditions around the world that support them.

And here with parroting/implying that Zelenskyi is a dictator.

We already know this is a war for mineral rights. No need to destroy the Ukrainian people over it. We can work something out.

It was Biden who invited Putin to invade in the first place.

Aah, yes, the mineral rights. The "deal" that Trump tried to push on Zelenskyi without properly letting him read it first, with no security guarantees and a deal that makes post-WW1 Germany go: "Well we got off lightly in comparison."

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

I was happy to see democrats lose. Not happy that Trump won, but I thought Trump would be a better pick than democrats.

He is quickly changing my mind lately, he is worse than them.

At least we see his true colours. Some sadly think he is a Christian. He is actually the opposite.

 

[eclipsenow]

I was happy to see democrats lose. Not happy that Trump won, but I thought Trump would be a better pick than democrats.

He is quickly changing my mind lately, he is worse than them.

At least we see his true colours. Some sadly think he is a Christian. He is actually the opposite.

I cannot believe an American President said the things he said.

This isn't just a new low for Trump - it's a new low for America.

When will it trigger the 25th?

 

[Nithavela]

I cannot believe an American President said the things he said.

This isn't just a new low for Trump - it's a new low for America.

When will it trigger the 25th?

There are no longer enough non-maga republicans left to go with the 25th.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Now Zelenskyy's a dictator?

That's what it's called when you do away with both elections and a free press. rightly fits the definition. He's an actual dictator and no, he's not some white knight. He's in this for all the US dollars he can funnel out of it, that's it.. he's worse, far far far worse, than a used car salesman with his silly need more money tours... How about, need a peace deal

And by the way, no, I don't like wars of attrition. They aren't good, at all. If we are going to do warfare let it be maneuver warfare.

Stop this throwing bodies like cannon fodder, we have nukes for goodness sakes. If we are going to throw bodies may as well win the war in the same day.

I say this later more tongue in cheek but it is a point, why bother with nonsense when we do have all the power? Which is called peace through strength... And it saves lives.

Now let us use it wisely, because all we really want is peace, and to be good neighbors, and to have good neighbors.

 

[Nithavela]

That's what it's called when you do away with both elections and a free press. rightly fits the definition. He's an actual dictator and no, he's not some white knight. He's in this for all the US dollars he can funnel out of it, that's it.. he's worse, far far far worse, than a used car salesman with his silly need more money tours... How about, need a peace deal

And by the way, no, I don't like wars of attrition. They aren't good, at all. If we are going to do warfare let it be maneuver warfare.

Stop this throwing bodies like cannon fodder, we have nukes for goodness sakes. If we are going to throw bodies may as well win the war in the same day.

I say this later more tongue in cheek but it is a point, why bother with nonsense when we do have all the power? Which is called peace through strength... And it saves lives.

Now let us use it wisely, because all we really want is peace, and to be good neighbors, and to have good neighbors.

Do you want to nuke Russia, Ukraine or both?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Do you want to nuke Russia, Ukraine or both?

We would be the winners either way.

 

[Lukaris]

I wish Mike Pence was president but there was no alternative; absolutely: none.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

"I think you have to give them some space… There is a negotiation going on," said Sen. Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D.

Trump on Tuesday night said Ukraine "never should have started" the war, and doubled down by calling Zelenskyy a "dictator" because Ukraine hasn’t held elections since Russia invaded the country in 2022.

"Ukraine clearly did not start this war," Sen. Pete Ricketts, R-Neb., wrote on X. "The fact is that Russia invaded Ukraine and must be held accountable. Otherwise, aggressors will be encouraged in their bad actions."

Still, the Nebraska senator commended Trump for trying to end the war.
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., backed up the president’s push for elections. "We held elections during World War II. Britain held elections during World War II. If they're a democracy, they should hold elections. I don't think that's difficult," he told reporters Thursday.

"[Zelenskyy] is the elected leader of the country," said Hawley. "But, you know, at a certain point you've got to hold elections."

Vice President JD Vance was on Capitol Hill for a lunch with Republican senators, but the president's bold assertion about the Ukrainian leader was not a topic of discussion, according to Hawley.

Zelenskyy was originally up for re-election in April 2024, but Ukraine’s constitution bars holding elections until the president lifts the martial law order he instituted after the 2022 invasion.

"Well, we've got to have elections," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said when asked about the comments.

GOP senators back Trump's demand for Ukraine elections, but won't call Zelenskyy 'dictator'

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

www.foxnews.com

Does anyone know when Russia last had an election that was widely regarded as fair and not influenced by Vladimir Putin? This excludes the 2024 election where Putin received 88.48% of the vote, the 2018 election where he received 77.5%, and the 2012 election where he received 64.35%.

Oh I see now how it works. Every six years, Putin receives more votes than in the previous election. Never mind.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Zelinsky is no better than Putin.

I'm done supporting crazy dictators all around the world myself, and I'm done creating the conditions around the world that support them.

We already know this is a war for mineral rights. No need to destroy the Ukrainian people over it. We can work something out.

It was Biden who invited Putin to invade in the first place.

Zelensky is the legitimately elected President of Ukraine. It is important to understand how democracy functions before labeling someone as a dictator.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I wish Mike Pence was president but there was no alternative; absolutely: none.

The Republican party had a choice and they made it.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

. That's funny I have thought the same thing about many on the other side.

Seems we may have different spirits? mine is tied to my land. I have no desire of global empire.

My personal preferences is to do well by everyone, treat everyone with fairness and require the same respect in return. I'm good with good neighbors, not with anything else.

I'm sorry to tell you, but geopolitics doesn't work that way. This is a very narrow view of the world.

Geopolitical events can be influenced by actions like a Quran burning in Florida, upsetting followers of Islam in Afghanistan and potentially leading to unrest in places like New York City or Los Angeles. Such actions can escalate tensions globally, as seen with the aftermath of 9/11.

 

[7thKeeper]

That's what it's called when you do away with both elections and a free press. rightly fits the definition. He's an actual dictator and no, he's not some white knight. He's in this for all the US dollars he can funnel out of it, that's it.. he's worse, far far far worse, than a used car salesman with his silly need more money tours... How about, need a peace deal

No, he is not a dictator. Actually, funnily enough, if he were to organise an election, he would be more of a dictator as Ukrainian constitution says that elections will not be held during times of open conflict/martial law. So he'd be breaking the local law in doing do. So, you are lying here.

And by the way, no, I don't like wars of attrition. They aren't good, at all. If we are going to do warfare let it be maneuver warfare.

But... You are not doing any war currently. Ukraine is.

Stop this throwing bodies like cannon fodder, we have nukes for goodness sakes. If we are going to throw bodies may as well win the war in the same day.

Aah, yes. The "let's nuke 'em" arguement, because that always ends up well.

I say this later more tongue in cheek but it is a point, why bother with nonsense when we do have all the power? Which is called peace through strength... And it saves lives.

Now let us use it wisely, because all we really want is peace, and to be good neighbors, and to have good neighbors.

No, you do not want peace. That's very obvious by the way you are going about this, because you want to appease Putin at the cost of Ukraine. And "being good neighbours" is a funny thing to claim to want while throwing tariffs around willy nilly, lying about about your allies and friendly nations and trying to push deals that make Treaty of Versailles look good. And we know what that deal caused to happen in the future.

 

[rambot]

"A trail of breadcrumbs that leads to your own heels"

 

[Hazelelponi]

. It is important to understand how democracy functions before labeling someone as a dictator.

Well, when a definition of "democracy" suspends elections and all else things that Zelinsky has done people can keep it, I won't support it.

My REPUBLIC has a different make up and I want no part of whatever people are trying to pass as democracy these days.

The one thing this definition of democracy is missing is freedom.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Well, when a definition of "democracy" suspends elections and all else things that Zelinsky has done people can keep it, I won't support it.

Right, it would've been much better if he'd held the elections, then tried to steal his presidency back once he lost.

 

[High Fidelity]

Vance now saying war is bad for Ukraine, Russia and ‘most importantly’ the US.

The sheer ignorance and arrogance is astounding.