Homan, AOC clash over webinar to help immigrants 'evade' ICE raids: 'I thought I educated her'

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

IMHO -
Yes we can - or rather - we could/should be able to do so.
We live in the richest, most prosperous nation on earth. Yet the overwhelming challenge is that the vast majority of that wealth is concentrated in the hands of very, very few.
Our nation was born and raised with open borders for immigrants. There was no such thing as illegal immigration in the US until the 1920s, with the exception of the Chinese in the late 1890s (where it began).

GOP/Trump policies only exacerbate this problem. The policies are most definitely the bad guy.
I'm not optimistic of any real positive change anytime soon ymmv

Why should we? When those people came in pre-1920s, they were not handed free everything...or put up in luxury hotels on the taxpayers/nations dime. They came here and worked. How do Trump policies "exacerbate this problem"? IMO it is just the opposite...this is all happening because Biden/Harris allowed this to happen...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And I'm sure that some of the Jews who were smuggled out of Germany were criminals as well (outside of simply being Jewish).

People in the US, regardless of their immigration status, have rights, and there is no crime in making sure that they know those rights. If a lawyer tells a murder suspect not to talk to police or open his door to the authorities without being shown a warrant, is that treason?

As I said, this is quite different. As far as I know AOC is NOT a lawyer and should not be handing Illegals legal advice. AOC is a member of the DSA and a socialist who wants the abolition of capitalism and the end of private ownership in many industries. If she tells a criminal illegal how to evade ICE or law enforcement it could be a crime. Treason is a federal crime that consists of acts against the United States government. ICE is a Gov agency. At what level does AOC and Omar's behavior constitute treason? If the US considers this an invasion of the US then it may be treason. Are they aiding and abetting crminals? BTW, illegals do not get public attorneys/defendants as far as I know. They must hire them themselves.

 

[FenderTL5]

this is all happening because Biden/Harris allowed this to happen...

Nonsense.
Immigration and the southern border were issues prior to Trump's first ride down the escalator. It was one of his main issues the first go around.
The Senate passed an Immigration Reform Act by a 2-1 margin in 2013 (68-32) that was sponsored by four democrats and four republicans but R-John Boehner refused to bring to the floor in the House. The southern border is a problem because the Republicans want it to stay a problem for campaign purposes.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Nonsense.
Immigration and the southern border were issues prior to Trump's first ride down the escalator. It was one of his main issues the first go around.
The Senate passed an Immigration Reform Act by a 2-1 margin in 2013 (68-32) that was sponsored by four democrats and four republicans but R-John Boehner refused to bring to the floor in the House. The southern border is a problem because the Republicans want it to stay a problem for campaign purposes.

It not "nonsense". Of course it has been an issue for a long time. But being and issue and allowing basically open borders are two different things. That bill would have made it legal for what happened under Biden/Harris. The bill creates a new immigration status, entitled Registered Provisional Immigrant status. Illegals who get adjusted under the bill would be in a legal status and would no longer be considered to be present illegally.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

As I said, this is quite different.

You've certainly said it. Demonstrated it though? Not so much.

As far as I know AOC is NOT a lawyer and should not be handing Illegals legal advice.

Why not? As long as she's not representing herself as a lawyer, there's no legal issues with it, and "don't open your door to the cops without a warrant" isn't exactly complicated or nuanced. It's also good advice for anyone.

AOC is a member of the DSA and a socialist who wants the abolition of capitalism and the end of private ownership in many industries.

Incorrect; irrelevant; poisoning the well.

If she tells a criminal illegal how to evade ICE or law enforcement it could be a crime.

It certainly could be, but that depends on what she tells them. There are no legal issues with making sure that they know their rights.

Treason is a federal crime that consists of acts against the United States government. ICE is a Gov agency. At what level does AOC and Omar's behavior constitute treason?

Telling people what their constitutional rights are does not meet the legal definition of treason as laid out in US law:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

If the US considers this an invasion of the US then it may be treason.

That's a pretty big hypothetical there. And since it's a hypothetical, it has no bearing on the situation.

Are they aiding and abetting crminals?

No. Criminals have rights in the US, and they are allowed to be appraised of those rights.

BTW, illegals do not get public attorneys/defendants as far as I know. They must hire them themselves.

They don't get a public defender in immigration court because that's a civil, rather than a criminal, proceeding. It has nothing to do with their immigration status. If you or I wind up in civil court, we don't get a public defender either. If they are charged with a crime, then they are entitled to representation, same as you or I. Regardless though, not having access to a public defender does not mean that you are required to exchange money for legal services - it just means that you have to find your own lawyer if you want one. You can be represented pro bono and people can still give you legal advice.

 

[Fantine]

Public Schools do not require or maintain records related to immigrant status per Plyler v. Doe, the 1982 Supreme Court case that ruled that states cannot deny education to children because of their immigration status. Immigration officials cannot access school records on grounds without a court order.

In practical terms (as it has been interpreted in our local schools) unless a student has committed a crime, ICE will not be permitted on school grounds without a "specific" warrant, not a blanket warrant.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You've certainly said it. Demonstrated it though? Not so much.

Why not? As long as she's not representing herself as a lawyer, there's no legal issues with it, and "don't open your door to the cops without a warrant" isn't exactly complicated or nuanced. It's also good advice for anyone.

Incorrect; irrelevant; poisoning the well.

That's a pretty big hypothetical there. And since it's a hypothetical, it has no bearing on the situation.

No. Criminals have rights in the US, and they are allowed to be appraised of those rights.

They don't get a public defender in immigration court because that's a civil, rather than a criminal, proceeding. It has nothing to do with their immigration status. If you or I wind up in civil court, we don't get a public defender either. If they are charged with a crime, then they are entitled to representation, same as you or I. Regardless though, not having access to a public defender does not mean that you are required to exchange money for legal services - it just means that you have to find your own lawyer if you want one. You can be represented pro bono and people can still give you legal advice.

I didn't think I had to since it is so self evident! Um because she is not a lawyer and should not be handing out legal advice. It is very relevant...she is a socialist and believe certain things. And if these criminals have committed a crime and were let go under progressive laws? All good huh? Yes warn them that ICE is coming. These people should not even be in the US. They are here ILLEGALLY.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I didn't think I had to since it is so self evident!

Few things are ever self-evident. Especially when it comes to political opinions.

Um because she is not a lawyer and should not be handing out legal advice.

There is no law that states that only lawyers are allowed to provide advice about a legal situation. Your opinion of what she should or should not do isn't really relevant, given your obvious biases.

It is very relevant...she is a socialist and believe certain things.

1. She's not a socialist.
2. Socialism as an ideology does not state anything about immigration that is relevant to this discussion.

So no, it is not relevant - or true, for that matter.

And if these criminals have committed a crime and were let go under progressive laws?

Still have rights.

These people should not even be in the US. They are here ILLEGALLY.

So what? They still have rights. You want to change that, write a constitutional amendment.

 

[FenderTL5]

It not "nonsense". Of course it has been an issue for a long time.

Then you were exaggerating or mistaken when you said, "this is all happening because Biden/Harris allowed this to happen... "
If it's been an issue prior to Biden/Harris, then it is NOT all happening because Biden/Harris allowed. That is what I called nonsense. It was nonsense when you first said it and that statement still is nonsense.

But being and issue and allowing basically open borders are two different things.

The US has not had open Borders since the 1890s, if we ignore the Chinese then not since the 1920s (roughly 1924 to be more specific).
Again you exaggerate or are simply repeating right-wing rhetoric to impress your MAGA colleagues and/or irritate the Democrats.
I'm neither, so I'm not impressed.

That bill would have made it legal for what happened under Biden/Harris. The bill creates a new immigration status, entitled Registered Provisional Immigrant status. Illegals who get adjusted under the bill would be in a legal status and would no longer be considered to be present illegally.

It also provided:

• Authorization for the National Guard to be deployed to the Southwest border for the following purposes:

(1) to construct fencing, including double-layer and triple-layer fencing;
(2) to increase ground-based mobile surveillance systems;
(3) to deploy additional unarmed, unmanned aerial systems and manned aircraft sufficient to maintain continuous surveillance of the Southern Border;
(4) to deploy and provide capability for radio communications interoperability between U.S. Customs and Border Protection and State, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies;
(5) to construct checkpoints along the Southern border to bridge the gap to long-term permanent checkpoints; and
(6) to provide assistance to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, particularly in rural, high-trafficked areas, as designated by the Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.


None of which had any bearing on it's passage/failure.
The legislation passed the Senate by better than a 2 to 1 margin and had enough bi-partisan support in the House to pass.
John Boehner determined that not giving Obama a legislative win, or the appearance of one, was far more important than building a wall across the southern border and adding more enforcement.. and addressing immigration.
It's one of the reasons Trump entered the race in 2016.

 

[rjs330]

Then you were exaggerating or mistaken when you said, "this is all happening because Biden/Harris allowed this to happen... "
If it's been an issue prior to Biden/Harris, then it is NOT all happening because Biden/Harris allowed. That is what I called nonsense. It was nonsense when you first said it and that statement still is nonsense.

Of course illegal immigration has been an issue for a long time. However the modern version of what has been going on at the border absolutely was a Biden/Harris issue. Trying to deny that is nonsensical. The flood of illegals has been Bidens and Harris fault.

The US has not had open Borders since the 1890s, if we ignore the Chinese then not since the 1920s (roughly 1924 to be more specific).
Again you exaggerate or are simply repeating right-wing rhetoric to impress your MAGA colleagues and/or irritate the Democrats.
I'm neither, so I'm not impressed.

We have had open horders for 4 years now. If you want to be so technical with it and say open borders can only mean we remove all border patrols and border points and anyone can come over the border then you are missing the point. Open borders can also mean we are not enforcing the immigration laws and catch and release is the order of the day. Thats open borders. Anyone can come here and get in with little enforcement. Thats what has been going on. If that were not true then we wouldn't have had a multitude of millions who have crossed illegally under Bidens watch. We aren't impressed with your attempt and being a nit pick.

also provided:

• Authorization for the National Guard to be deployed to the Southwest border for the following purposes:

(1) to construct fencing, including double-layer and triple-layer fencing;
(2) to increase ground-based mobile surveillance systems;
(3) to deploy additional unarmed, unmanned aerial systems and manned aircraft sufficient to maintain continuous surveillance of the Southern Border;
(4) to deploy and provide capability for radio communications interoperability between U.S. Customs and Border Protection and State, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies;
(5) to construct checkpoints along the Southern border to bridge the gap to long-term permanent checkpoints; and
(6) to provide assistance to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, particularly in rural, high-trafficked areas, as designated by the Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

1. Trump rried to do fencing and the Democrats went berserk about it.
2-6. All great ideas as long as it was for capturing illegal crosses and sending them packing.

But we all know that wasn't the point. It was to catch them and release them into the interior with the ability to obtain legal status. It was all a joke to make it look like they were doing something. But it was just to get thwm I to the system to gain legal status.

 

[FenderTL5]

Of course illegal immigration has been an issue for a long time. However the modern version of what has been going on at the border absolutely was a Biden/Harris issue.. The flood of illegals has been Bidens and Harris fault.

The flood of illegals at the southern border was one of key issues bringing Trump into the race in 2016.
He launched that first campaign with the, "They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems.. ..They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people.." speech.

It was an issue during Trump's first presidency and continues to this day. The suggestion that this starts with Biden/Harris is simply not true.

We have had open horders for 4 years now.

nope

1. Trump rried to do fencing and the Democrats went berserk about it.

agree to a point, Democrats opposed Trump regardless of issue. Trump was/is a bull in a china-shop. Even when he favors good policy, he promotes and implements poorly (IMHO).
The fencing and additional enforcement had bi-partisan support in 2013. Trump's bluster has ruined it during his political tenure.

When it comes to Trump, I don't like him. I make no bones about it. I haven't liked him since the 80s/early 90s. IMHO he lacks character and integrity and is not qualified for the role. That's my opinion and I'm well aware that every MAGA devotee would disagree.

2-6. All great ideas as long as it was for capturing illegal crosses and sending them packing.

But we all know that wasn't the point. It was to catch them and release them into the interior with the ability to obtain legal status. It was all a joke to make it look like they were doing something. But it was just to get thwm I to the system to gain legal status.

Sometimes I wonder if machine-gun pillboxes would satisfy the MAGA contingent. (yes that is hyperbole... somewhat).

 

[Yarddog]

President Donald Trump's border czar Tom Homan on Friday clashed with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., over a webinar she hosted advising migrants about how to handle an encounter with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). "Let’s pray that she is not ‘educating’ the next murderer of a young college nursing student on how to evade arrest by ICE," Homan told Fox News Digital on Friday. "How many more young women have to be raped, murdered and burned alive until she wakes up?"
Homan had first said on "The Ingraham Angle" that he had emailed the deputy attorney general asking whether Ocasio-Cortez's hosting of a "Know Your Rights with ICE" event on her Facebook page could count as an impediment to federal law enforcement.

"Is that impeding our law enforcement efforts?" Homan said. "If so, what are we going to do about it? Is she crossing the line? So I'm working with the Department of Justice and finding out. Where is that line that they cross? So maybe AOC is going to be going to be in trouble now." During the event, viewers were informed of how to deal with ICE search requests. Migrants were also warned of "ruses" they allege ICE agents employ to get people to comply with searches, while the hosts also touted "trends" in how ICE conducts its searches, which have ramped up in recent weeks under the Trump administration. People were also recommended to record such searches and how to differentiate between different warrants ICE agents are likely to carry.

Homan, AOC clash over webinar to help immigrants 'evade' ICE raids: 'I thought I educated her'

Border czar Tom Homan and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., continued to clash on Friday over a webinar offering advice to immigrants about ICE encounters.

www.foxnews.com

Homan just talks like a typical police officer. Not much deep understanding of the law.

 

[RoBo1988]

Ecuadoran man on Most Wanted List arrested by ICE in Ohio after six years of fleeing murder charge

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) confirmed Wednesday that its agents were involved in the arrest of an alleged murder and Ecuadorian national who was evading a warrant from his

www.theohiopressnetwork.com

 

[rjs330]

It was an issue during Trump's first presidency and continues to this day. The suggestion that this starts with Biden/Harris is simply not true.

I was very specific in my wording. So your statement is irrelevant.

nope

Yup.

When it comes to Trump, I don't like him. I make no bones about it. I haven't liked him since the 80s/early 90s. IMHO he lacks character and integrity and is not qualified for the role. That's my opinion and I'm well aware that every MAGA devotee would disagree.

Okay

Sometimes I wonder if machine-gun pillboxes would satisfy the MAGA contingent. (yes that is hyperbole... somewhat).

Nice hyperbole.

 

[FenderTL5]

I was very specific in my wording.

Which didn't change the erroneous notion that "it began with Biden/Harris."
The only way your comment is true is if Biden was President before Trump's first term.

 

[rjs330]

Which didn't change the erroneous notion that "it began with Biden/Harris."
The only way your comment is true is if Biden was President before Trump's first term.

Nope, i was correct. Hence the reason for my specificity.

 

[Vambram]

Stephen Miller, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy, stated in a briefing that the U.S. will utilize the resources of multiple federal departments to support President Donald J. Trump’s mass deportation program. “I can promise you that the full might of the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, the Department of Defense, and every element and instrument of national power will be used to remove with speed all criminal illegals from the soil of the United States of America, to enforce final removal orders, and to ensure that this country is for American citizens and those that legally belong in this country,” he vowed.

Miller confirmed the administration is committed to removing all criminal illegal immigrants from the United States, enforcing removal orders, and maintaining the integrity of American citizenship.

Miller outlined actions taken early in Trump’s presidency, referencing challenges inherited from the Biden-Harris government, such as a non-operational U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency and a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) previously focused on resettling illegal immigrants instead of removing them. “In 30 days, the president sealed the border shut, declared the cartels to be terrorist organizations, has increased ICE deportations to levels not seen in decades, and we are shortly on the verge of achieving a pace and speed of deportations this country has never before seen,” he stressed.

In just the first 18 days of the administration, approximately 11,000 illegal immigrants were deported. Plans are in place to expand detention facilities, with the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba already receiving illegals and ramping up to accommodate up to 30,000 detainees.

The administration reports a sharp decrease in illegal border crossings. Since January 20, apprehensions at ports of entry have reportedly dropped by 93 percent.

Stephen Miller Vows to Mobilize 'Full Might' of DHS, DOJ, DOD for Mass Deportations.

Stephen Miller, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy, stated in a briefing that the U.S. will utilize the resources of multiple federal

thenationalpulse.com

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Then you were exaggerating or mistaken when you said, "this is all happening because Biden/Harris allowed this to happen... "
If it's been an issue prior to Biden/Harris, then it is NOT all happening because Biden/Harris allowed. That is what I called nonsense. It was nonsense when you first said it and that statement still is nonsense.

No exaggerating at all. It has been a smaller problem in the past but became a MASSIVE problem under Biden/Harris. Biden right before Trump took office was selling border fence for pennies on the dollar! Nonsense indeed!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Few things are ever self-evident. Especially when it comes to political opinions.

There is no law that states that only lawyers are allowed to provide advice about a legal situation. Your opinion of what she should or should not do isn't really relevant, given your obvious biases.

1. She's not a socialist.
2. Socialism as an ideology does not state anything about immigration that is relevant to this discussion.

So no, it is not relevant - or true, for that matter.

AOC is absolutely a socialist. That is a fact. It IS relevant because she believes certain things. AOC is the youngest woman and the first female member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) to be elected to Congress, alongside Rashida Tlaib. You were saying????

TALKING SOCIALISM | Catching up with AOC - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Bronx Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, best known as AOC, is DSA’s foremost “superstar.” We spoke by Zoom on January 26.

www.dsausa.org

 

[Pommer]

Biden right before Trump took office was selling border fence for pennies on the dollar! Nonsense indeed!

Right. The US wasn’t using (but storing) the materials and to save money (pre-DOGE) Congress instructed the President to sell it.
Being the guy who knew how the job works, he complied…but that was “bad” for some reason.