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Military Veteran, US Citizens Detained in ICE raid in Newark, NJ - Mayor alleges Fourth Amendment Violation

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Do you think that agents will let people go home to collect their papers before they get deported?
Most Americans have IDs but they should allow them to prove citizenship if they don't have IDs.
 
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Most Americans have IDs but they should allow them to prove citizenship if they don't have IDs.

There is a veteran who didn't.
No, wait, he did have ID, ICE didn't accept it.
 
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No, the original Ben. The esteemed Mr. Franklin.
I'm dumb lol. I was on a different plane in my thinking.
There is a veteran who didn't.
No, wait, he did have ID, ICE didn't accept it.
and now he'll be more wealthy than he is now. Like the mistreatment by police on traffic stops some of them "bless and don't curse" take advantage of our ignorance of constitutional rights and state laws. Some of the mistreated make bank and the involved are fired. My son turned me on to some videos a couple of years ago then I started learning more about the 4th.
 
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I'm dumb lol. I was on a different plane in my thinking.

and now he'll be more wealthy than he is now. Like the mistreatment by police on traffic stops some of them "bless and don't curse" take advantage of our ignorance of constitutional rights and state laws. Some of the mistreated make bank and the involved are fired. My son turned me on to some videos a couple of years ago then I started learning more about the 4th.
I believe I have seen some of the same videos. The hope is that we can help educate those who do not understand how our civil liberties work.
 
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The store owner told Nexstar’s WPIX that a U.S. military veteran was among the people detained.

“One of the guys was a military veteran, and the way he looked to me was because he was Hispanic. He is Puerto Rican and the manager of our warehouse. It looked to me like they were specifically going after certain kinds of people — not every kind, because they did not ask me for documentation for my American workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers,” Janota said.
Shirley you don't mean to suggest that they are targeting brown people?
 
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Ahh America.

I recall the giddy pride of certain posters on here desperately wanting this exact kind of action once Trump won the election.

Republicans finally get what they want! Coloured people to be scared of being in their own country!
 
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Shirley you don't mean to suggest that they are targeting brown people?

I am suggesting that, and stop calling me Shirley.


Sorry..Couldn't resist. ;)
 
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I think it's really impressive how you guys managed to start the jack-booted oppression after such a short time. Even nazi germany took a few months.
 
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In a news conference this morning, Mayor Ras Baraka said several agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement entered the back of the business, arrested three undocumented workers, and detained and questioned employees who are U.S. citizens.

People were fingerprinted. Pictures of their IDs and faces were taken there,” the Democratic mayor said. “I was appalled, upset, angry that this would happen here in this state, in this country, that this would be allowed.”
 
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It is a small price to pay for security. I have a passport and 3 other forms of real ID on me whenever I leave my house.
That surprised me. I have an electronic version of my drivers license on my phone but only a because if you are stopped by the police for any reason you need to produce it.

There wasa move to introduce an ID card in '87 but it was extremely unpopular (something we'd class as 'un-Australian') and was dropped.
 
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So I need to carry my birth certificate, passport etc. on job sites from now on ? I guess I'll dig it up since I am a first generation Cuban with brown hair, brown skin and brown eyes. Repugnant.
I think just a drivers license will do .. the computer will immediately confirm your residence status. If they're smart they just scan your ID with Immigration phone and within seconds a result will be known.

If you don't do that - it's OK, but in case there is a raid because Immigration had clues that illegal aliens work there, it may take more time for you to prove your legal status. But most people carry a drivers license with them anyway I guess.

If you take a train ride - they will check your ticket; it's the same for workplaces for which there are strong suspicions illegal aliens work there.
 
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Arguing for borders seems like it’d be a natural response coming from an Island Nation, so, half a point deduction, there…
We're a long way from anywhere down here. So if someone is that desperate to endure a long sea voyage (and they'd generally be landing on very remote areas on the north coast or very deserted areas of the west coast) and shows that amount of fortitude to get here then personally speaking I think they're just the sort of people we'd want.

Then again, so many die trying to make it, it makes sense to dissuade them from trying.
 
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