Islam attacks Israel

[eclipsenow]

Impossible; the description of the glorious Return in Revelation 19:11-21, is totally different to the Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath.

That is not the logical contradiction you think it is, because Revelation is not the type of literature you think it is!



It's not MY fault you constantly avoid learning about the OTHER books that use Apocalyptic Symbolism of the time - and how they generally discuss local rulers persecuting God's people - and dress it up in theological terms. Baruch, Enoch, etc. There are so many! I've only heard snippets from them as I trust the scholarship of godly people I know personally who have degrees in this stuff.

There's some suggestion of apocalyptic being future - which of course the actual return of the Lord will be. But what is the majority of Revelation about? From what I can see - it's about Rome persecuting the church - and addresses us in that it warns us to not give up on God when all such empires come and go. It's between the Resurrection and Return of the Lord - life now. It's descriptive - not prescriptive. It's generally describing life now - not specifically prescribing some future end-times-table (which would have made it utterly patronising and irrelevant to John's generation and readers! Imagine! "John - why did God let our children be slaughtered in the arena?" John: "Toughen up princess - wait until you see what happens in 2000 years!")

As the wiki says:

Though the understanding of the present is bleak, the visions of the future are far more positive, and include divinely delivered victory and a complete reformation of absolutely everything. Many visions of these end times mirror creation mythologies, invoke the triumph of God over the primordial forces of chaos, and provide clear distinctions between light and dark, good and evil. In such revelations, humankind is typically divided into a small group that experiences salvation, while the wicked majority is destroyed. Since the apocalyptic genre developed during the Persian period, this dualism may have developed under the influence of Persian thought.[15] The imagery in apocalyptic literature is not realistic or reflective of the physical world as it was, but is rather surreal and fantastic, invoking a sense of wonder at the complete newness of the new order to come.[16]​

This is a general description of the category of literature from a wide range of books.

As I keep saying: hermeneutics is as essential to knowing how to read Revelation as would be a good knowledge of Ancient Greek if you really wanted to understand it.

Hermeneutics - the discipline of understanding how an ancient culture used certain styles of writing and what those texts meant to the original audience.

Non-canonical​

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• 1 Enoch (although considered to be a deuterocanonical text within the Beta Israel Jewish community)
• 2 Enoch
• 3 Enoch
• Apocalypse of Abraham
• Apocalypse of Adam
• Apocalypse of Moses
• Apocalypse of Sedrach
• Apocalypse of Zephaniah
• Apocalypse of Zerubbabel
• Aramaic Apocalypse
• Gabriel's Revelation
• Genesis Apocryphon
• Greek Apocalypse of Baruch
• Greek Apocalypse of Daniel
• Greek Apocalypse of Ezra
• Sefer Elijah
• Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch

Non-canonical​

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• Apocalypse of Golias
• Apocalypse of Paul
• Apocalypse of Peter
• Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius
• Apocalypse of Samuel of Kalamoun
• Apocalypse of Stephen
• Apocalypse of Thomas
• Coptic Apocalypse of Elijah

If a clearly worded Prophecy can be literally fulfilled, then it will be.

Just like Jesus having 7 eyes and 7 horns and being a space-lamb!

Dude - the book is visionary and symbolic - like all the other ones above. It's not literal. But it describes literal truths - and my reading of Rev 6 and many other chapters in Revelation is that they are about the Lord returning.

Described from different angles - after different themes have been finished.

It's saying "There will be tyrants who hate you - but the Lord will return!"
There will be nature in chaos and natural disasters - but the Lord will return!
Etc.

Calling scripture 'symbolic', is just an avoidance tactic, a way of dismissing the truth. Not right or even sensible.

That would be true in your hypothetical universe where Apocalyptic Symbolism is a literal text.
But in here in the real world? Biblical scholars who can read and write and think fluently in ancient Hebrew and Ancient Greek, and who have studied ALL the contemporary ancient Apocalyptic works - most say one thing. It's symbolic writing that describes the regime of the time, reminding God's people of the hope at the end of time.

See you in 2027 with no temple, no AOD, and no CME!

 

[keras]

See you in 2027 with no temple, no AOD, and no CME!

See you, [I hope you will trust the Lord when He sends His fiery wrath] in 2027 after the CME has changed the world, with the new Temple under construction and a few years away from when the 'beast' desecrates the Temple.

 

[eclipsenow]

See you, [I hope you will trust the Lord when He sends His fiery wrath] in 2027 after the CME has changed the world, with the new Temple under construction and a few years away from when the 'beast' desecrates the Temple.

Yeah - way to address all the points above. True to form - just skip past centuries of Apocalyptic in the name of Cognitive Dissonance and Bias Selection. (That reply wasn't predictable at all! )

You sounded so sure of yourself a few years ago! Remember you once said "I remain perfectly confident and I know the Appointed Day on which the Lord will arise and send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and change the world". The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Then with some jiggery-pokery and selective shenanigans around which type of genealogy you worked on - tada!

“2020 AD + 9.5 = 2029.5 AD”.

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Obadiah 1:15-21 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations, they will be treated as they have treated others and their wrong actions will recoil upon themselves. My people will drink the wine of God’s wrath, then all the nations in turn will drink of it and be devastated by it. But in...

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According to your creative genealogy, 2029.6 is the Return. Then we work from there back the 3.5 years to the AOD and BOOM! Around the start to the middle of 2026 there MUST be a temple in Jerusalem and there MUST be an AOD!

Also - you said God said so! To you personally!

"I am just a humble servant of the Most High God. He gave me a task: to promote what His prophets wrote so long ago, because what they wrote then, is about to happen soon. I know this, because in 2010, when I was in the Holy Land; I received a vision from the Lord and inspiration to do this."

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

This is your error; Paul does not say that when he dies he will be present with the Lord. He says that is his desire, but we know it isn't the reality at all. However, as I have said; the next conscious moment after death, is to stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:1-15 Your grammar is...

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How did the extra years creep in there? Now apparently we've got to wait MORE years for the AOD!
At least - God willing I should live that long - I only have to wait until 2027. Then when there's no silly CME this whole silly enterprise of yours collapses. But dude - you've already chopped and changed from your 'prophesy' above? I don't really care about the reasons why or your 'reworking the maths' ... so don't bother "explaining." As far as I'm concerned - your "Thus saith the Lord!" ranting from a few years ago should have been infallible - the way you were carrying on. The fact that you have already changed it should raise the red flag for everyone here.

 

[keras]

Sadly; I am a fallible human being and can be prone to over enthusiasm.
You, however; are a nay-sayer and have the belief that nothing will happen until Jesus Returns, to wrap everything up.

We will soon see the truth of end times!

 

[eclipsenow]

Sadly; I am a fallible human being and can be prone to over enthusiasm.

Then you're a false prophet! You said God TOLD you this stuff!

"I am just a humble servant of the Most High God. He gave me a task: to promote what His prophets wrote so long ago, because what they wrote then, is about to happen soon. I know this, because in 2010, when I was in the Holy Land; I received a vision from the Lord and inspiration to do this." The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations​

Yet this arrogance of yours continues despite the fact that you already admitted you were sucked into the 2012 debacle!

"Yes, I will, as I did get sucked in to false timing in 2012.​

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What is really sad, is the blatant rejection of the given Bible time periods that make it clear we are facing the imminent fulfilment of the last days prophesies, coupled with the obvious signs all around us, of forthcoming dramatic change." The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations​

Blatant rejection? Colour me sceptical - but you don't have a good track record so far. Indeed - one could say that of the whole futurist movement. It's always about us! It's always the next 7 years! Or the next y years after that! Or ... 88 reasons to believe it will all happen in 1988! What is really sad is Christians obsessed with their different futurist end-times-tables, carrying on like they're "The One" - and letting it all go to their heads.

Look at the arrogance here!

"I remain perfectly confident and I know the Appointed Day on which the Lord will arise and send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and change the world". The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations​

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You even said you were one of 'the few' who understand. How special hey? Being so 'special' must keep your dopamine levels high enough to keep coming back here and slogging away at this forum, misleading yourself and any readers gullible enough to get sucked in to all this.

"I did have a vision and I surely have had help from the HS to do what I have done. Other people have His help, to do evangelism, etc. God has not given so much prophecy to us without some people knowing how the end times will unfold, as Daniel 12:10 says; a few will understand. But the majority, especially those who grip onto false theories, will be shocked and surprised at what will soon happen."​

4 Reasons John was writing a gospel sermon about suffering under Rome

I contend it is because God has put a spirit of misunderstanding on us See, I thought the main role of the Holy Spirit was to regenerate and sanctify us, and help lead us into all godliness. Not sort out minor quibbles. It's his role to help us even respond to the gospel in the first place. all...

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Look at the way you condemned other futurists who guessed wrong in the past? And the way this 'special knowledge' has you so puffed up you just dismiss anyone with real qualifications. You just dismissed anyone who actually bothered to do the hard work of biblical scholarship - and studying their guts out learning Ancient Hebrew and Greek and cultural history and other relevant texts so they could grasp hermeneutics.

"Sure, there were many who foolishly made wrong predictions. The reason for that is found in Daniel 12:4 & 9. They lived years before the end times. I remain perfectly confident and I know the Appointed Day on which the Lord will arise and send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and change the world, ready for the lead up to His glorious Return. I doesn't take great Biblical qualifications to know what God has planned, in fact such learning is a hindrance to finding the truth."​

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Here is some Bible study for the deniers: Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, to reduce the earth to desolation and to destroy all the wicked there. 1 Samuel 2:10 Those who oppose the Lord will be terrified, when He strikes from the heavens. 2...

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Look at the martyr's complex here!?

God only needs one to proclaim His message. The Prophets were lone voices and were mostly rejected and even killed. I expect rejection, in fact if I had a great following, fame and adulation, then I would know I had gone of the rails. So many 'prophecy experts' have; to their Eternal discredit.

4 Reasons John was writing a gospel sermon about suffering under Rome

I contend it is because God has put a spirit of misunderstanding on us See, I thought the main role of the Holy Spirit was to regenerate and sanctify us, and help lead us into all godliness. Not sort out minor quibbles. It's his role to help us even respond to the gospel in the first place. all...

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You, however; are a nay-sayer

Not at all! If I'm sharing the gospel - part of that gospel is that the Lord will return. Suddenly, unexpectedly, like a Thief in the Night, like the unexpected Landlord, like the Bridegroom to the maidens who forgot to keep their customary oil lamps filled, etc. You hop skip and jump through these many verses that show we must stay in right relationship with the Lord and not get worldly in case he suddenly returns. Or - on the flipside - in case we suddenly die! (Like the rich farmer who was building up his grain for a tidy superannuation sum.)

and have the belief that nothing will happen until Jesus Returns, to wrap everything up.

Because honestly - as far as I can tell myself - and as far as all my friends and scholars who have studied this stuff can conclude - that's what the bible teaches. You just rip ancient prophesies about the Assyrians, Babylonians, or even smaller wars out of context - see a verse about fire - and throw it off thousands of years into the future?

Dude - the ancient prophets would have scratched their heads at you and asked why on earth God would give them a prophecy about YOUR generation?!!

We will soon see the truth of end times!

See - as an Amil - I don't have to wait. We've been in the Last Days / End Times since Acts 2.

In that worldview, all your dogmatic assertions are so much puffery and distraction - a chasing after the wind - a foolish waste of time.

The real job? Telling people that the Lord will return here - or they will die and go to meet him there. When? Doesn't matter so much. The longer they stay unrepentant the harder their hearts! But you're all about the when! In fact - you're SO about the "when" that you've just sidestepped the fact that you've changed your previous message! Your special, precious, dogmatic message that was oh-so-sad-that-people-wouldn't-just-believe-GOD-and-YOU-his-special-messenger - message. Yeah - that one.

According to any reading I have of the verses that talk about false prophets - you're a false prophet!

 

[keras]

you're a false prophet!

You are an accuser and your posts are totally without any merit or value.

I make no claim to be a prophet. As my name means; I am a messenger and if you don't like the message, go away.
Your preterist and 'highly symbolic', approach to end times is wrong and just leaves people in the dark.

 

[tailgator]

You are an accuser and your posts are totally without any merit or value.

I make no claim to be a prophet. As my name means; I am a messenger and if you don't like the message, go away.
Your preterist and 'highly symbolic', approach to end times is wrong and just leaves people in the dark.

A prophet is someone who is sent to deliver as message .A messenger.

If you have claimed to have been called upon by God to deliver a message ,then you have claimed to be a prophet.


Have you been called upon to deliver any message?

 

[keras]

Have you been called upon to deliver any message?

I present what the Prophets said.
I use other scriptures to confirm them and we also have the benefit of hindsight and modern knowledge.

My posts here, of the Prophetic Word, are helpful for people to understand Gods Plans for His people. Unfortunately, many have already decided what they want God to do for them. So; His Plan is hidden from them, the so called- wise and educated. Matthew 11:25, Isaiah 29:9-12

 

[eclipsenow]

You are an accuser and your posts are totally without any merit or value.

Pot calling the kettle?

What have you called anyone that didn't immediately bend the knee and kiss the ring to the 'authority' of your 'visions'?

I make no claim to be a prophet. As my name means; I am a messenger and if you don't like the message, go away.

Except you're being dishonest now. And to Tailgator. Back in 2021 you were absolutely not just claiming to be presenting your own bible research! In fact - your special "Bat-phone to God" was ringing so hot back then you used that to patronise and attack anyone who dared respect bible interpretation!

"I did have a vision and I surely have had help from the HS to do what I have done. Other people have His help, to do evangelism, etc. God has not given so much prophecy to us without some people knowing how the end times will unfold, as Daniel 12:10 says; a few will understand. But the majority, especially those who grip onto false theories, will be shocked and surprised at what will soon happen."​

God only needs one to proclaim His message. The Prophets were lone voices and were mostly rejected and even killed. I expect rejection, in fact if I had a great following, fame and adulation, then I would know I had gone of the rails. So many 'prophecy experts' have; to their Eternal discredit.​

So let me see - God told you in a vision in Jerusalem, the HS helped you do what you have done, like the Old Testament prophets you are part of an elite and rare group boldly telling people what God has told you. Finally - God only needs one to proclaim His message!

Yup! You're his special prophet all right! That's basically the checklist of what a prophet is - right there.

Except... then you went and changed it all! This special message from God himself, with the help of the Holy Spirit. You got all that WRONG?

You also admitted to being sucked into the 2012 thing.

Deuteronomy 18​

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20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”​

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21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.​

Why should anyone listen to anything you say - ever again?

 

[keras]

Why should anyone listen to anything you say - ever again?

Listen to the Prophets!

That your Modus Operandi is to accuse and denigrate you fellow brethren, and what is a hundred times worse; to ignore, spiritualize, reinterpret and flat out reject the Bible Prophesies, are an indictment against you. Its going to get tough soon, even just by current world events, so by not knowing the Lord's plans, you make it difficult for yourself.

 

[eclipsenow]

Listen to the Prophets!

I do. But to make sure I don't mistakenly just shove my own western modern agenda all over the text I read around. What have others thought? Where is it in the bible? What period of history? What were the concerns of God's people at that time?

You just lash about at anyone who dares question your hop skip and jump through the bible "method" of gathering ANY verses that mentions a torch, got sun, or burning - and conclude it's all to do with your delusional CME.

You're a false prophet making false claims about the bible AND what God has told you. I'm just here as the Lord's humble servant ( sound familiar? ) to put it on the record for any other readers that not all Christians abuse the bible the way you do. And not all are as patronizing and arrogant about their theories - or as boldly scalding others after being caught out just plain making it up as we went along. If human lifespans were longer you'd still be here in a century assuring alus that THIS TIME you really truly wuly had figured it out and you knew with absolute certainty when this great and terrible day of firey wrath was going to happen.

For real s this time!

ts going to get tough soon, even just by current world events, so by not knowing the Lord's plans, you make it difficult for yourself.

Give it a rest buddy - Deuteronomy 18 says I'm not to care!

 

[RiverJordan]

A prophet is someone who is sent to deliver as message .A messenger.

If you have claimed to have been called upon by God to deliver a message ,then you have claimed to be a prophet.

By this logic every Christian is a prophet spreading the message of the Gospel.

 

[tailgator]

By this logic every Christian is a prophet spreading the message of the Gospel.

Some people who call themselves Christian are sent to preach the gospel.They are in Christ.


Mathew 10
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.




But there are others who come in Jesus name who are not sent to preach.Not in Christ.

Mathew ,7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[keras]

Iran has a history of protests triggered by various factors, including economic problems, political issues, and concerns over water. The country’s current setbacks – the population seeing that billions of dollars Iran has invested in its proxy projects are going up in smoke – could fuel anger leading to more unrest. Even before Hamas was defeated, Hezbollah decapitated and Assad fell, Iranian protesters chanted about how their money was being wasted on projects abroad.
This is also something that Iran’s leaders know well, which is why the mullahs are likely to double down in their efforts to keep a lid on any further unrest.

This being the case, the Iranian regime may respond in a number of various ways:
One way would be to increase repression to prevent any Syrian-inspired uprisings. Another possibility would be to offer some superficial reforms or concessions to try and appease potential protestors.

The third and most dangerous scenario, from an Israeli perspective, would be a rapid push toward nuclear weapons. Feeling the walls closing in, the mullah leadership might conclude that only a nuclear solution to the ‘cancer’ of Israel, could secure the regime’s survival. Iran’s leaders realize that such a move could prompt a devastating Israeli strike, but they don’t care if millions of their country people die, to make all of the Middle East Muslin territory. Their first leader; Ayatollah Khomeini, said: As long as Islam is advanced, it doesn’t matter how many die to achieve it.
Ref: Jerusalem Post

Bible Prophecy tells us that Iran, [Elam-Media-Persia] WILL attempt to send nuke missiles to Israel. That will be their destruction. Jeremiah 49:35-37, Ezekiel 32:24-25

 

[eclipsenow]

There were also these prophecies about a baby that would be born in Israel, in Bethlehem, in the line of David, and that this baby would be called Emmanuel. In your end-times calculations, when does this happen?

Anyway, it's a good thing that people who know say:-

Jeremiah 49:34–39 A prophecy against Elam, an important power to the east of Babylon, subjugated by Assyria, but resurgent in the Babylonian period. The prophecy possibly relates to a Babylonian containment campaign against Elam in 595 b.c.

Jer 49:34–39 - ESV Reformation Study Bible - Bible Gateway

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In case you doubt it - both passages talk about the sword. I'm pretty sure Israel's packing more than swords these days.

 

[keras]

Wars – what wars?

There is a lot of talk about World War 3, the Gog/Magog War, Armageddon, etc. The actual fact is – they are not wars at all! They are all events where God uses seemingly natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, hailstorms, plagues and sunstrikes to destroy enemy armies. The exception is when Jesus uses the Sword of His Word at His Return.

The so called next Mid East war or W.W. 3:

Micah 4:11-12 Now many nations are massed against Israel.....They do not know the Lord's purpose, for He has gathered them for the threshing.

Psalms 83:13-15 Scatter Your enemies, O God, like thistledown, like chaff before the wind, like a fire raging through the forested hills. Pursue them with Your tempest, terrify them with Your storm winds.

2 Samuel 22:9-16 The earth quaked, shaking because of the Lord’s anger. Smoke and devouring fire issued from Him. He parted the heavens and came down, thick darkness His covering. God thundered from heaven, lightning shafts flashed.

Psalms 50:1-3 The Lord is coming, a consuming fire, around Him a great storm rages.

Zechariah 9:14 The Lord will appear over them, His arrows flashing like lightning.

Isaiah 29:6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord, with fire, etc.

Habakkuk 3:14 With his own weapon, You pierced his head, as they stormed out to fight

Joel 1:15 The Day of the Lord is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Almighty

Revelation 6:12-17 The Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, there was a violent earthquake ..terrible signs in the heavens. The great Day of the Lord’s wrath has come and who can stand?

Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times brighter on the Day the Lord saves His people. Verse 30....He sieves out the nations for destruction.....

A Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about the forthcoming actual Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

The Gog, Magog attack:

Ezekiel 38:19-22 I shall bring them to judgement with pestilence and bloodshed. I shall pour torrential rain and hailstorms as well as fire and brimstone on them all. In My anger, there will be a great earthquake in Israel that day. Terror will strike the hearts of Gog’s armies and his men will turn their swords against one another.

Joel 2:20 I shall remove the Northern peril far from you and banish them into the desert. The stench and foul smell of them will rise up.

Armageddon – at the Return of Jesus:

Revelation 19:15-21 Out of His mouth came a sharp sword to smite the nations.

Zechariah 14:12-15 The Lord will strike with plague all the nations who warred against Israel. Not: the corpses are food for the carrion eaters.

Daniel 11:45 The Anti Christ will camp between the sea and Jerusalem and there, he will meet his end, with no one to help him.

End of the Millennium:
Rev 20:7-10 When the 1000 years has ended, Satan will seduce the nations. They lay siege to God’s city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

What God requires of His people, is trust and faith that He will deliver and protect them. They must be prepared to take advantage of any situation, but with fervent prayer for the Lords deliverance, trusting in His provision for them.

Isaiah 30:15 In calm detachment lies your safety, your strength in quiet trust.

Psalm 37:1-29 Trust in the Lord and do good, settle in the Land, find good pasture. Commit your ways to the Lord, trust in Him and He will act.

His righteous people will inherit the Land and will live there forever.

Isaiah 25:9 On that day, the people will say: See, this is our God, we waited for Him, and He has delivered us. This is the God whom we have trusted, we will rejoice.

Jeremiah 39:18 I shall keep you safe, you will not be killed, because you trusted in Me. Ref: REB. Verses abridged.

 

[eclipsenow]

If all those prophecies are still for the future - what about that prophecy about a little baby that was going to be born in Bethlehem? I'm going to carols tonight - do you think those prophecies could be about that? But wait - that happened over 2000 years ago! So how do we know which prophecies are about things that happened thousands of years ago and which are still to come? Especially when these prophecies are naming kingdoms that no longer exist - and for all intents and purposes - look like they have already been literally fulfilled in the past? (Or symbolically fulfilled if the prophet was speaking in apocalyptic symbolism.)

 

[keras]

If all those prophecies are still for the future

They are. Proved by what they say having not yet happened.

what about that prophecy about a little baby that was going to be born in Bethlehem?

That Prophecy was fulfilled and we Christians are the beneficiaries of Jesus first Advent.
It is quite insignificant that Dec 25 may not be the correct date, what matters is for us to acknowledge and celebrate the occasion.

- that happened over 2000 years ago! So how do we know which prophecies are about things that happened thousands of years ago and which are still to come? Especially when these prophecies are naming kingdoms that no longer exist - and for all intents and purposes - look like they have already been literally fulfilled in the past? (Or symbolically fulfilled if the prophet was speaking in apocalyptic symbolism.)

We are all in general agreement that Jesus will Return. The Bible describes that glorious event in Revelation 19:11-21.
So for what reason do you reject all the Prophesies before then? Events like a Coronal Mass Ejection at the Day of the Lords wrath by fire and again at the Fourth Bowl, Rev 16:9-10? Natural, physical and eminently feasible things.

Have a nice carol singing evening,

 

[eclipsenow]

This war will not fizzle out, there has to be a final outcome. What that will be, is told to us in the Prophetic Word:

Fizzle!
So far at least.
I have no doubt trouble will start up again.

I have many doubts about the way you pluck ancient prophecies out of context.

They were ancient prophecies about ancient nations with specific local prophecies about specific historical crimes against Israel in those times. In the 2500 years since some of these prophecies, entire people groups have moved, kingdoms and empires of crumbled, and circumstances have changed.

The "fire and sword" prophecies about Assyrians and Babylonians were fulfilled.
Newsflash: today they use tanks and missiles and machine guns.

'Is that a joke?': How Trump's imminent return loomed over ceasefire talks

It appears as if both Joe Biden and Donald Trump are staking their foreign policy legacies on the Israel Hamas ceasefire agreement. And analysts believe both men were crucial to getting both sides to finally reach a deal.

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[keras]

I have many doubts about the way you pluck ancient prophecies out of context

I reject the way you treat the Prophesies as past events, without a smidgin of proof they did happen as described.
Take Psalms 83 as an example, It actually does refer to ancient battles, as examples of what will again happen in our future.