For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

[Truthfrees]

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Read in ACTS how the disciples were treated when they
proclaimed the GOOD NEWS OF Y'SHUA !

NOT like gentlemen.

No. They were killed.
Often
after
torture,
arrest,
beatings,
and
much worse than anything most of us today have suffered.

 

[BobRyan]

Read in ACTS how the disciples were treated when they
proclaimed the GOOD NEWS OF Y'SHUA !

NOT like gentlemen.

No. They were killed.
Often
after
torture,
arrest,
beatings,
and
much worse than anything most of us today have suffered.

It is true that Truth is not popular in any age. God's people are wise as serpents and harmless as doves according to Christ.

John 15:33 "in this world you have trouble - take courage... I have overcome the world"

Ours is not to convince anyone against their will. To inform - to make the reader aware of Bible details no matter how unpopular those scriptures are - - yes .. we do that.

 

[BobRyan]

Now there is a an emoticon that I can agree with

 

[FredVB]

It is true that Truth is not popular in any age. God's people are wise as serpents and harmless as doves according to Christ.

John 15:33 "in this world you have trouble - take courage... I have overcome the world"

Ours is not to convince anyone against their will. To inform - to make the reader aware of Bible details no matter how unpopular those scriptures are - - yes .. we do that.

I know there is a real attack on one proclaiming any truth contrary to established understanding. It is not welcome, and it will be dismissed in any way, with put downs, mocking, threats, aggression, and violence. It is not so for one truth. There are a number of such truths contrary to established understanding. Messengers of any such truth speak for it at great risk. But should they not? More will hear, there will be some spread of truth.

 

[Aaron112]

Follow Jesus. Others follow either Jesus or something else.

John 15:33 "in this world you have trouble - take courage... I have overcome the world"

Ours is not to convince anyone against their will.

 

[Aaron112]

More will hear, there will be some spread of truth.

As God Permits and Directs.

 

[BobRyan]

Is that something you have proof for or is it just your opinion. Torah will/has passed. heaven will endure for eternity. In Heaven man will have overcome sin

Is 66:23 -- in the New Earth - for all eternity -- after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down".

The Sabbath was made "for mankind" - not "Against mankind".

1 John 5:4 "This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments".

The New Covenant itself "Writes the LAW of God on the heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 -- Heb 8.

, so there will be no need to have any laws.

Take it up with God,
The New Covenant does not "Abolish the Law of God - in fact it Establishes IT" Rom 3:31

I was transitioning from main stream Christianity to SDAism I truly believed it was God leading me

Your traditions are interesting - but the Bible is what matters.

 

[Aaron112]

Not forgetting the very serious warning from Jesus to the best Bible Scholars: "Ye search the Scripture (The Bible) thinking that in them you will find life....."

 

[BobRyan]

Acts 17:11 "they searched the scriptures daily to see IF those things taught by the Apostle Paul -- were SO"

 

[Aaron112]

You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.…
Berean Standard Bible · Download

 

[Bob S]

Is 66:23 -- in the New Earth - for all eternity -- after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down".

and writing of the New /earth Isaiah wrote: Is65:
“See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind." But we read in Is 66:24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” Which is it Bob? Do we not remember or really we do remember every week after the Sabbath service? Then there is verse 20 of Is 66 where Isaiah wrote:
“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed. Here I thought we would have eternal life in the New Earth, but Isaiah poses a problem to what we thought. Which is it Bob?

Is 66:23 says we will bow down before God from one Sabbath to another. How long do we do we do the bowing thing? We will also the bowing thing at each new moon. But can we trust Isaiah's portray of Heaven? He already makes us wonder about how long we will live and if we remember the past.

The Sabbath was made "for mankind" - not "Against mankind".

For SDAs and the Jews it becomes against man because man is unable to meet the requirements of the rules. For those of us God has never required Sabbath keeping, we need not worry about the rules. Evidently God didn't make the Sabbath for ALL mankind. If He did He certainly didn't require keeping it in all of scripture. Where else do we have to look for what you believe is a requirement? Ellen White?? Ha!

1 John 5:4 "This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments".

John tells us what HIS commandments are in 1JN3:19-24 and they aren't the laws of the old covenant as the SDAs teach. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

The New Covenant itself "Writes the LAW of God on the heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 -- Heb 8.

The Law of Jesus (God) is LOVE.

Take it up with God,
The New Covenant does not "Abolish the Law of God - in fact it Establishes IT" Rom 3:31

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Your traditions are interesting - but the Bible is what matters.

Amen!

 

[BobRyan]

in Is 66:24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” Which is it Bob?

Here I thought we would have eternal life in the New Earth, but Isaiah poses a problem to what we thought.

Interesting questions Bob... but does not change Is 66:23 so I am good with it as it reads.

Which is it Bob?

Is 66:23 says we will bow down before God from one Sabbath to another. How long do we do we do the bowing thing?

I am sure God can figure it out. I guess we all knew that.

For SDAs and the Jews it becomes against man because man is unable to meet the requirements of the rules.

"Made FOR mankind" Mark 2:27 according to Christ - even when speaking to the Jews , even 4000 years after Adam.

I am still going with God on this one.

 

[Aaron112]

Yhvh's Revelation through His Word, Including all Isaiah,
is Perfectly True, Delightful, Freedom from darkness man dwells in all over the world.

Isaiah poses a problem to what we thought.

As long as man opposes Jesus, all of Scripture "poses a problem" , because man's thoughts are evil daily, day after day, and becoming more wicked day and night,

trust Isaiah's portray of Heaven?

Absolutely, trusting Yahweh and Yeshua.

 

[Bob S]

Yhvh's Revelation through His Word, Including all Isaiah,
is Perfectly True, Delightful, Freedom from darkness man dwells in all over the world.

As long as man opposes Jesus, all of Scripture "poses a problem" , because man's thoughts are evil daily, day after day, and becoming more wicked day and night,

Absolutely, trusting Yahweh and Yeshua.

Okay, then tell us which is true do we live eternally or do we die sometime after 100 years in Heaven. Tell us if we will not remember anything of the past or will we be reminded every Sabbath.

 

[Bob S]

Isaiah in chapter 65 concerning the New Earth man will not remember former things. Is 66 says the following:

in Is 66:24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

Which is it Bob?

If we are to bow down before God every Sabbath and that is your reason for trying to keep it now, then why is it you don't do the same on New moon days?

 

[DamianWarS]

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

The text is a prophecy, and typical with prophecies they use known things to establish the unknown. But the goal of the text is not to say we must worship on the Sabbath and if that is your take away, it would do you better to reread chapter 66. The point in v23 is a bit of culmination point to show a never ceasing worship and one without boundaries. But by forcing a Sabbath-day only worship it takes away from this meaning which I take offence to. I'm not here to tell you how to keep the Sabbath, but that it's a gross misrepresentation of this text to turn it into a sabbath keeping command, and shamefully I might add. Are you also suggesting we all go to Jerusalem too like it says in v20?

Moon to moon, sabbath to sabbath.... Is month to month, week to week. Months are measured by moons, and weeks measured by sabbaths. Some translations will even take those liberties. Using the term sabbath however does enoke a holiness, but that is the point, because it carries out this sentiment for all days. Within sabbath is a concept of rest and completion we strive for and it is this rest that will be upon all things in the new heaven and new earth. Which brings us to the more obvious point, the text is about the new Jerusalem and restoration of Israel not to say worship is not for the here and now but that is not the moment being described here. Vs 23 is a like an outpouring of the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It says from one Sabbath to another, not from week to week.

Removing the word Sabbath changes the context when God didn't, this has a thus saith the Lord, does any of us know better than He? We really need to believe Him at His word John 8:51, no edits necessary, let Him direct our paths Pro 3:5-6

And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.

So from one week to another on the Sabbath, which God said is the seventh day Exo 20:10. the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:13 the saints will gather before the Lord for worship.

I go to church from one Sabbath to another, but I do not go every day. I worship and praise God daily, but I do not keep every day holy because God said we need to work Exo 20:9

Also it says to come to worship before the Lord

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.

The saints are not going to be before the Lord 24/7 in heaven. It appears to have the same pattern God made from the beginning, like His perfect plan before sin started. Work 6 days the seventh day we rest with God i.e. worship Him, keeping the day holy. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11,

In heaven it says the saints will be building houses and planting vineyards i.e. working Isaiah 65:21 but on the Sabbath the saints will be back in the presence of God worshipping before Him on the Sabbath. Sad those who fight the Sabbath so much now, I do not think would be very happy in heaven because it clearly continues, God loves us so much I believe His Judgement is a Judgement of love. He will never take away our free will. Forced worship is not love, so He would never force one to worship before Him on the Sabbath. It has to be from our heart, by our free will through our great love of Jesus.

 

[BobRyan]

The text is a prophecy, and typical with prophecies they use known things to establish the unknown.

The future is unknown until revealed - so then when prophecy reveals the future - it is to that degree - known.

But the goal of the text is not to say we must worship on the Sabbath

The text actually say this --

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Ignoring details in it - ... not helpful.

There was a way to say "from new moon to new moon people will worship at times" --

If that was the intent.

The point in v23 is a bit of culmination point to show a never ceasing worship and one without boundaries.

if you delete enough details in the text -- I suppose you can get there

Isaiah 66:23

Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
23. Literally, "As often as the new moon (shall be) in its own new moon," that is, every month (Zec 14:16).
Sabbath--which is therefore perpetually obligatory on earth.

 

[BobRyan]

The text is a prophecy, and typical with prophecies they use known things to establish the unknown. But the goal of the text is not to say we must worship on the Sabbath and if that is your take away, it would do you better to reread chapter 66. The point in v23 is a bit of culmination point to show a never ceasing worship and one without boundaries. But by forcing a Sabbath-day only worship it takes away from this meaning which I take offence to. I'm not here to tell you how to keep the Sabbath, but that it's a gross misrepresentation of this text to turn it into a sabbath keeping command, and shamefully I might add. Are you also suggesting we all go to Jerusalem too like it says in v20?

Moon to moon, sabbath to sabbath.... Is month to month, week to week.

IT is two cycles not just one. As the text points out.

Just as "year to year" is not "daily"

1. Exodus 13:10
   Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
2. Judges 21:19
   So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
3. 1 Samuel 2:19
   And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.

. Using the term sabbath however does enoke a holiness

In fact it does that very thing and the Isaiah's readers would be well aware of the holiness of the weekly Sabbath.

Which brings us to the more obvious point, the text is about the new Jerusalem and restoration of Israel not to say worship is not for the here and now

Indeed there is no way to bend the text so that Isaiah's readers would be thinking "Sabbath won't be holy, wont be a day of worship in the New Earth". It just is not in the text - no matter how much a given POV might "need" that to be in the text.