IF WATER BAPTISIM SAVES ,Water baptism WHY WAS JESUS WATER BAPTIZED ??

[Wansvic]

The question has yet to be answered , why was Jesus baptized ???/

And my proof in John 1:31 that water baptism was ONLY given to Israel and they crucified Jesus >

Then in Acts 2:37 they were pierced through the heart !!

Then in Acts 28:25 --28 Israel was set ASIDE along with WATER BAPTISM !!

Israel is the only that will BE BORN AGAIN !!

dan p

Jesus' obedience to water baptism served two purposes. It revealed Him as High Priest. (Exodus 40) And revealed what is required in order to fulfill all righteousness. (Matt 3:15, 6:33)

The idea that water baptism was only for the Jews is not true. The Samaritans and Gentiles were given the command as well. Everyone is required to be water baptized in the name of Jesus because it is an intregal part of the NT rebirth. (John 3:3-5, Luke 24:47, Mark 16:15-16, Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38, 8:12-18, 10:43, 47-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

Furthermore scripture says salvation is for the Jew first and then the Gentile. Romans 1:16

 

[Grafted In]

Isn't Jesus already high priest?
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

I believe so.
The veil is gone. The blood of Jesus brings us in direct connection with The Father as we "come boldly before the throne..."
When He sees us, He sees His Only Begotten.
As the bride of Christ we will be one with Him.
A post I think was removed because it spoke harshly of me regarding baptism.
Now I'm starting to think that when I was baptized as a very young boy, that counted, though at the time I was too young to understand or care.
After salvation at age 29, I chose to be baptized, giving no thought to having been baptized before.
That poster was not particularly kind to me yet I can't help but think he may have a point I need to define for myself.

But Hebrews says he had already purged their sins.
And has already entered behind the veil for us Hebrews 6:20

And for us to....

Jesus' obedience to water baptism served two purposes. It revealed Him as High Priest. (Exodus 40) And revealed what is required in order to fulfill all righteousness. (Matt 3:15, 6:33)

The idea that water baptism was only for the Jews is not true. The Samaritans and Gentiles were given the command as well. Everyone is required to be water baptized in the name of Jesus because it is an intregal part of the NT rebirth. (John 3:3-5, Luke 24:47, Mark 16:15-16, Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38, 8:12-18, 10:43, 47-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

Furthermore scripture says salvation is for the Jew first and then the Gentile. Romans 1:16

Uh, I'm strictly kjv, but some translations say "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost".

 

[ralliann]

Hebrews IS written to Israel ! and Paul wrote Hebrews !!

dan p

No it is written for all of us....The carnal commands have been disannulled

 

[Dan Perez]

No it is written for all of us....The carnal commands have been disannulled

And you have a verse where it was written to Gentiles also ?/

John wrote that water baptism was written to Israel and you say it was not ?

I have yet to see where water baptism was given to GENTILES and would like to see that verse ??

And are thinking about 1 Cor 15:29 , Baptism for the DEAD ?

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

And you have a verse where it was written to Gentiles also ?/

John wrote that water baptism was written to Israel and you say it was not ?

I have yet to see where water baptism was given to GENTILES and would like to see that verse ??

And are thinking about 1 Cor 15:29 , Baptism for the DEAD ?

dan p

Acts 10

 

[Dan Perez]

Acts 10

And go ahead and explain what Acts 10 means ??

Are you referring to Acts 10:37 ?? Or to Acts 1:5 or to Acts 2:38 ??

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

And go ahead and explain what Acts 10 means ??

dan p

Sorry, Dan. Acts 10 has many verses. It was a blessing for me when I read it earlier.

 

[Grafted In]

And go ahead and explain what Acts 10 means ??

Are you referring to Acts 10:37 ?? Or nto Acts 1:5 or to Acts 2:38 ??

dan p

I don't want to fight, Dan. It's only a short read.
God bless you.

 

[Dan Perez]

I don't want to fight, Dan. It's only a short read.
God bless you.

And I respect ALL reply and I do not know , every thing and we will learn more in heaven , for sure !!

dan p

 

[ralliann]

And you have a verse where it was written to Gentiles also ?/

When you give me a verse it was written for Jew's only.

John wrote that water baptism was written to Israel and you say it was not ?

I have yet to see where water baptism was given to GENTILES and would like to see that verse ??

And are thinking about 1 Cor 15:29 , Baptism for the DEAD ?

dan p

No not that verse, this one comes to mind

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

[Dan Perez]

When you give me a verse it was written for Jew's only.

No not that verse, this one comes to mind

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

And in Acts 1:5 , reads , For John indeed BAPTIZED with WATER // HYDOR , BUT , you will BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , with

HOLY SPIRIT not many of these DAYS AFTER !!

Notice that there is a change , FROM water to HOLY SPIRIT >

Another reason is in Acts 2:38 Israel had the opportunity to except and they did not as written is Acts 28:25-28 and can

quote many more verses , Isa 6: 1-18 .

dan p

 

[ralliann]

And in Acts 1:5 , reads , For John indeed BAPTIZED with WATER // HYDOR , BUT , you will BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , with

HOLY SPIRIT not many of these DAYS AFTER !!

Notice that there is a change , FROM water to HOLY SPIRIT >

Another reason is in Acts 2:38 Israel had the opportunity to except and they did not as written is Acts 28:25-28 and can

quote many more verses , Isa 6: 1-18 .

dan p

Well Cornelious was both.

 

[Wansvic]

Uh, I'm strictly kjv, but some translations say "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost".

Notice in Matthew 28:19 Jesus commanded His apostles to baptize in a name. What Jesus meant is revealed by how the apostles obeyed Jesus command. Without exception, every detailed account of water baptism is done in the name of Jesus. (Acts 22:16, 2:21, 38; 8:12-18; 10:43, 47-48; 19:1-7; 1 Cor 1:2, 13-15)

 

[Dan Perez]

I believe so.
The veil is gone. The blood of Jesus brings us in direct connection with The Father as we "come boldly before the throne..."
When He sees us, He sees His Only Begotten.
As the bride of Christ we will be one with Him.
A post I think was removed because it spoke harshly of me regarding baptism.
Now I'm starting to think that when I was baptized as a very young boy, that counted, though at the time I was too young to understand or care.
After salvation at age 29, I chose to be baptized, giving no thought to having been baptized before.
That poster was not particularly kind to me yet I can't help but think he may have a point I need to define for myself.

And for us to....

Uh, I'm strictly kjv, but some translations say "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost".

If you believe in water baptism have you read Mark 16:16 that says He that believeth , and is baptized shall be SAVED

BUT he that believeth NOT shall be DAMNED , verse 17 , and these signs shall follow them that , n my name shall they

cast out DEVILS , they shall speak with NEW Tongues , They shall take up Serpents , and if they drink any deadly think

it shall not hurt them , , they lay hands on the sick , and they shall recover !!

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

Water baptism is one of the most devised theory of today !!

Matt 3:16 says that Jesus was water baptized , and the question remans , why was Jesus then water BAPTIZED if he had no SIN ??

The text tells us why He was baptized (immersed) in Jordan: to fulfill all righteousness (Matt 3:15).

Many quote 1 Peter 3:21 as their proof , but the Greek text , dos not say BAPTISM , BUT says BAPTISMA in the Greek text .

ROTFL Dan, are you still hung up on this? We have covered it a dozen times at least. BAPTISMA is the Greek noun for the Greek verb BAPTISMO. BAPTISMO means "to immerse" and BAPTISMA means "immersion". Yes, the Greek text of 1 Pet 3:21 says BAPTISMA, so it it talking about immersion (which is what the English word "BAPTISM" means).

And Heb 6:1 says , LEAVING the doctrines , meaning , teaching of Christ , let us go unto PERFECTION , not laying AGAIN the FOUNDATIONS

of REPENTANCE from dead WORKS , and of FAITH toward God ,

I say that there are three reasons why water Baptism passed away , what say you ??

Acts 1:5 is just ONE reason why WATER BAPTISM passed away and there are more ??

dan p

Acts 1:5 speaks of the baptism that would come on Pentecost. That event has occurred exactly twice in all of Human history: Pentecost and at Cornelius' house. It has not happened since, nor is there any reason to believe it will happen again. The baptism of John was not for salvation, and the baptism of fire mentioned in Acts 1:5 is not for salvation either.

The Baptism that is for salvation has several characteristics that are shown in Scripture.
First: there is only one baptism of significance in the NT Church (Eph 4:5-6).
Second: it must be done by man (Matt 28:19, Mark 16:16).
Third: it must be received by man's choice (Acts 2:38).
Fourth: it must be in water (1 Pet 3:21).
Fifth: the Holy Spirit is integral to what happens during this baptism (Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, John 3:5).
Sixth: it is during this baptism that we are made pure, clothed with Christ, united to Christ's death and resurrection, and are adopted as children of God, and receive a clean conscience from God (Gal 3:26-27, Eph 5:26-27, Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, 1 Pet 3:21).
Seventh: if this water baptism is not received then the individual cannot enter the Kingdom of God (the Church)(John 3:5).

 

[Doug Brents]

If you believe in water baptism have you read Mark 16:16 that says He that believeth , and is baptized shall be SAVED

BUT he that believeth NOT shall be DAMNED , verse 17 , and these signs shall follow them that , n my name shall they

cast out DEVILS , they shall speak with NEW Tongues , They shall take up Serpents , and if they drink any deadly think

it shall not hurt them , , they lay hands on the sick , and they shall recover !!

dan p

Dan, these signs did indeed occur for many years after Pentecost. But as with all miracles, the time for these ended, and we no longer see the Lord demonstrate that a person is saved in this way.

 

[timothyu]

But as with all miracles, the time for these ended, and we no longer see the Lord demonstrate that a person is saved in this way.

Perhaps this is because at one time it showed allegiance to the wisdom of God, while later on, membership in specific churches required something less Kingdomly and more worldly in wisdom for membership to lay claim to the believer.

 

[Doug Brents]

Perhaps this is because at one time it showed allegiance to the wisdom of God, while later on, membership in specific churches required something less Kingdomly and more worldly for membership to lay claim to the believer.

Membership in Earthly churches is immaterial. What matters is membership in the Body of Christ (from which no Earthly church can exclude someone). If a person is a member of the Church, then he is a member whether a congregation on Earth recognized that fact or not. And membership in the Church is received through repentance from sin (Acts 3:19), confession of Jesus as Lord (Rom 10:9-10), and baptism (Acts 2:38, 1 Pet 3:21, etc.).

 

[timothyu]

Membership in Earthly churches is immaterial.

Exactly and immaterial in more ways than one.

 

[Dan Perez]

I believe so.
The veil is gone. The blood of Jesus brings us in direct connection with The Father as we "come boldly before the throne..."
When He sees us, He sees His Only Begotten.
As the bride of Christ we will be one with Him.
A post I think was removed because it spoke harshly of me regarding baptism.
Now I'm starting to think that when I was baptized as a very young boy, that counted, though at the time I was too young to understand or care.
After salvation at age 29, I chose to be baptized, giving no thought to having been baptized before.
That poster was not particularly kind to me yet I can't help but think he may have a point I need to define for myself.

And for us to....

Uh, I'm strictly kjv, but some translations say "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost".

And the Greek words , SHALL BE SAVED // SOZO , is a verb , in the FUTURE TENSE , and that means it has not HAPPENED yet , in the

PASSIVE VOICE , means it is Christ controls the Future tense , and in the Indicative Mood , meaning you believe it , and in the SINGULAT , meaning

t will ONLY happen ONCE and in the INDIACATIVE MOOD , means you better BELIEVE IT !!

dan p