IF WATER BAPTISIM SAVES ,Water baptism WHY WAS JESUS WATER BAPTIZED ??

[Dan Perez]

Are you certain those Scriptures are referring to water baptism?
"By water AND by Spirit'.

Many on this forum , say that BAPTISM // BAPTIZO can mean immersion , washed and Dip and many other Greek words

and many say that the Greek WATER // HYDOR is not needed to be WATER BAPTISM !!

Acts

Are you certain those Scriptures are referring to water baptism?
"By water AND by Spirit'.

Acts uses the Greek word BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO and in the Aorist tense , in the Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood ,

means you better believe it , and in the SINGULAR , means it happens one time !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Many on this forum , say that BAPTISM // BAPTIZO can mean immersion , washed and Dip and many other Greek words

and many say that the Greek WATER // HYDOR is not needed to be WATER BAPTISM !!


Acts uses the Greek word BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO and in the Aorist tense , in the Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood ,

means you better believe it , and in the SINGULAR , means it happens one time !!

dan p

The n book of HEBREWS is almost as hard as DISPENSTIONALISM /

# 1 ALL those in the PRIESTHOOD had to wash hands and feet before entering the Holy Place , Ex 30:21 or they die !!

#2 Remember MELCHIZDEK one that had neither mother or father , Heb 4:14 a HIGH PRIEST !! that is a figure of speech , which

really Jesus Christ .

# 3 That is why Jesus HAD to be WATER BAPTIZED as Christ will be THE HIGH PRIEST in the MILLENNIAL KINGDOM !!

dan p

 

[timothyu]

And what happened when the dove descended upon him. Baptism with the spirit?

 

[Dan Perez]

And what happened when the dove descended upon him. Baptism with the spirit?

And where is the WATER // HYDOR ??

Israel was rebuked in the temple for selling DOVES .

HAGIOS , Is a predication of God as the absolutely Holy God !!

dan p

 

[timothyu]

Clearly you reject what happened at Jesus' baptism

 

[Dan Perez]

Clearly you reject what happened at Jesus' baptism

Will be glad to listen to your PROOF , at any time and am AGOG , for your REPLY !!

dan p

 

[Cornelius8L]

I think water baptism identifies us with Moses, also.
All of the Hebrew people went through the sea on dry ground as God reveals to him how to get out of Egypt alive.
A type or shadow of baptism.

None of the OT examples in the NT that reference water baptism, such as those of Noah or Moses, suggest that the individuals involved physically came into contact with the water during the process. Those who did touch the water in those events were rejected, much like the Egyptians who entered the water and perished. If these incidents are shadows of baptism, don’t they point to the idea that those who remained dry were the ones saved? Whenever Jesus spoke about baptism, He was referring to His dry crucifixion (Luke 12:50, Mark 10:38-39), which aligns with Paul’s explanation in his letters (Romans 6:3-11, Galatians 3:27), where Jesus's baptism (Mark 16:16) symbolizes the crucifixion of our old selves.

 

[Dan Perez]

Are you certain those Scriptures are referring to water baptism?
"By water AND by Spirit'.

Mark 16:16 says so !!

Are you referring to Acts 1:5 ??

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

When Jesus speaks of being born again, is it possible that He is teaching that being born of water refers to physical birth?
Did Jewish law mandate fully submerged baptism for newborns?
Prior to when we are born, we are fully under water.
So, Jesus tells Nicodemus he must be born again....of the Spirit.

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi, Dan.
In this case isn't the real point the idea that baptism alone can save.

And where is a verse that explains that , John 1:31 OR Mark 16 :16- 18 ?

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

I don't have a concordance, but neither states specifically whether it speaks of water baptism or spiritual.
Could you be saved by water baptism alone?
No.
Could you be saved with spiritual baptism alone?
Yes.

 

[ralliann]

The n book of HEBREWS is almost as hard as DISPENSTIONALISM /

# 1 ALL those in the PRIESTHOOD had to wash hands and feet before entering the Holy Place , Ex 30:21 or they die !!

#2 Remember MELCHIZDEK one that had neither mother or father , Heb 4:14 a HIGH PRIEST !! that is a figure of speech , which

really Jesus Christ .

# 3 That is why Jesus HAD to be WATER BAPTIZED as Christ will be THE HIGH PRIEST in the MILLENNIAL KINGDOM !!

dan p

Isn't Jesus already high priest?
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

 

[Dan Perez]

Isn't Jesus already high priest?
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Not until the MILLNNIAL KINGDOM !!

dan p

 

[ralliann]

Not until the MILLNNIAL KINGDOM !!

dan p

But Hebrews says he had already purged their sins.
And has already entered behind the veil for us Hebrews 6:20

 

[Dan Perez]

But Hebrews says he had already purged their sins.
And has already entered behind the veil for us Hebrews 6:20

Hebrews IS written to Israel ! and Paul wrote Hebrews !!

dan p

 

[Wansvic]

I don't have a concordance, but neither states specifically whether it speaks of water baptism or spiritual.
Could you be saved by water baptism alone?
No.
Could you be saved with spiritual baptism alone?
Yes.

All detailed accounts reveal individuals were water baptized in the name of Jesus, (for remission sin) and received the Holy Spirit as well. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16) The accounts confirm what Jesus meant by water and Spirit in regards to the NT rebirth. (John 3:3-5) The accounts also reveal everyone is given the same mandate regardless of nationality.

Acts 2:38-39 (Jews)
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, AND ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."

Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jew-half Gentile)
"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost."



An angel told Cornelius, a Gentile, to send for Peter who would tell him how to be saved. (Acts 11:13-14) What transpired involved both receiving the Holy Spirit AND being water baptized in the name of the Lord:

Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."


Acts 22:14-16 (Apostle Paul's water baptism)
"And he (Ananias) said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."


The following reveals the Apostle Paul was still water baptizing in the name of Jesus AND assisting with their receiving the Holy Spirit some 20+ years after the NT rebirth requirements were first presented at Pentecost:

Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."

 

[Wansvic]

Water baptism is one of the most devised theory of today !!

Matt 3:16 says that Jesus was water baptized , and the question remans , why was Jesus then water BAPTIZED if he had no SIN ??

Many quote 1 Peter 3:21 as their proof , but the Greek text , dos not say BAPTISM , BUT says BAPTISMA in the Greek text .

And Heb 6:1 says , LEAVING the doctrines , meaning , teaching of Christ , let us go unto PERFECTION , not laying AGAIN the FOUNDATIONS

of REPENTANCE from dead WORKS , and of FAITH toward God ,

I say that there are three reasons why water Baptism passed away , what say you ??

Acts 1:5 is just ONE reason why WATER BAPTISM passed away and there are more ??

dan p

Paul’s letter recorded in the Book of Hebrews expresses there is a difference between foundation and Christian living principles; milk and strong meat.

Clearly, Paul is speaking to those who have already obeyed the foundational principles first presented by the Apostle Peter on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:38) This is expressed by his comment that it is not necessary to “lay again” the foundation.

In essence, Paul’s comments reflect the following:

• All must obey Jesus in order for a proper foundation to be put in place. (See Heb 6:1-2 below)
• After the foundation is laid it is not necessary to lay it again, in fact it would be useless to try.

1. “And being made perfect, he (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.´ Heb 5:9

2. “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” Heb 5:12-14


The principles/foundation of the teaching of Christ is repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost baptism by the laying on of hands. After which resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment will take place:

“Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine (teaching) of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.” (Hebrews 6:1-2)

 

[Dan Perez]

Paul’s letter recorded in the Book of Hebrews expresses there is a difference between foundation and Christian living principles; milk and strong meat.

Clearly, Paul is speaking to those who have already obeyed the foundational principles first presented by the Apostle Peter on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:38) This is expressed by his comment that it is not necessary to “lay again” the foundation.

In essence, Paul’s comments reflect the following:

• All must obey Jesus in order for a proper foundation to be put in place. (See Heb 6:1-2 below)
• After the foundation is laid it is not necessary to lay it again, in fact it would be useless to try.

1. “And being made perfect, he (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.´ Heb 5:9

2. “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” Heb 5:12-14


The principles/foundation of the teaching of Christ is repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost baptism by the laying on of hands. After which resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment will take place:

“Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine (teaching) of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.” (Hebrews 6:1-2)

The question has yet to be answered , why was Jesus baptized ???/

And my proof in John 1:31 that water baptism was ONLY given to Israel and they crucified Jesus >

Then in Acts 2:37 they were pierced through the heart !!

Then in Acts 28:25 --28 Israel was set ASIDE along with WATER BAPTISM !!

Israel is the only that will BE BORN AGAIN !!

dan p

 

[timothyu]

The question has yet to be answered , why was Jesus baptized ???/

His baptism both showed His relationship to mankind and His acceptance of the will of the Father (fulfilling righteousness). It identified Him.

 

[Dan Perez]

His baptism both showed His relationship to mankind and His acceptance of the will of the Father (fulfilling righteousness). It identified Him.

Where do see where Paul BAPTIZED any one into the BODY of Christ ??

Be careful 0f 1 Cor 1:15 ?? So why was Jesus BAPTIZED is still the question ??

dan p