IF WATER BAPTISIM SAVES ,Water baptism WHY WAS JESUS WATER BAPTIZED ??

[Dan Perez]

Water baptism is one of the most devised theory of today !!

Matt 3:16 says that Jesus was water baptized , and the question remans , why was Jesus then water BAPTIZED if he had no SIN ??

Many quote 1 Peter 3:21 as their proof , but the Greek text , dos not say BAPTISM , BUT says BAPTISMA in the Greek text .

And Heb 6:1 says , LEAVING the doctrines , meaning , teaching of Christ , let us go unto PERFECTION , not laying AGAIN the FOUNDATIONS

of REPENTANCE from dead WORKS , and of FAITH toward God ,

I say that there are three reasons why water Baptism passed away , what say you ??

Acts 1:5 is just ONE reason why WATER BAPTISM passed away and there are more ??

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

Water baptism is one of the most devised theory of today !!

Matt 3:16 says that Jesus was water baptized , and the question remans , why was Jesus then water BAPTIZED if he had no SIN ??

Many quote 1 Peter 3:21 as their proof , but the Greek text , dos not say BAPTISM , BUT says BAPTISMA in the Greek text .

And Heb 6:1 says , LEAVING the doctrines , meaning , teaching of Christ , let us go unto PERFECTION , not laying AGAIN the FOUNDATIONS

of REPENTANCE from dead WORKS , and of FAITH toward God ,

I say that there are three reasons why water Baptism passed away , wat say you ??

Acts 1:5 is just ONE reason why WATER BAPTISM passed away and there are more ??

dan p

Hi, Dan.
In this case isn't the real point the idea that baptism alone can save.

 

[linux.poet]

What does water baptism salvation have to do with dispensationalism?

I studied dispensationalism awhile back and it seems to be about cutting up human history into time periods that explain how God deals with man differently in each time period. Christ's baptism would be in a different dispensation (the Dispensation of Law) which changed to the Dispensation of Grace when Christ died and rose again. Therefore the act of baptism would have three different effects for those baptized by John before Christ's death and resurrection, Christ Himself, and those baptized as believers in Christ afterwards.

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi, Dan.
In this case isn't the real point the idea that baptism alone can save.

Are you pointing to Mark 16:16-18?

Who was WATER BAPTISM given too ,??

John 1:31 says who Water Baptism was given too ??


Was it given to the BODY of CHRIST ? I will need a verse ??

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

Dan, I'm not understanding your question.
Baptism doesn't save, in my opinion.

 

[HTacianas]

Water baptism is one of the most devised theory of today !!

Matt 3:16 says that Jesus was water baptized , and the question remans , why was Jesus then water BAPTIZED if he had no SIN ??

Many quote 1 Peter 3:21 as their proof , but the Greek text , dos not say BAPTISM , BUT says BAPTISMA in the Greek text .

And Heb 6:1 says , LEAVING the doctrines , meaning , teaching of Christ , let us go unto PERFECTION , not laying AGAIN the FOUNDATIONS

of REPENTANCE from dead WORKS , and of FAITH toward God ,

I say that there are three reasons why water Baptism passed away , wat say you ??

Acts 1:5 is just ONE reason why WATER BAPTISM passed away and there are more ??

dan p

Jesus answered the question of why he was baptized.

Mat 3:15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.

The meaning is "it is a technicality but let's do it anyway".

Apart from that, you have misread Hebrews 6:1. The writer is writing in the form of a lecture. "Leaving the doctrines..." means "for the sake of discussion, let's leave aside all of the fundamentals and move on". It does not mean to forget everything they had ever been taught.

 

[timf]

Some dispensationalists say that while baptism is not necessary for salvation, it is a requirement to show obedience.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Other dispensationalists say that the baptism described by Peter was for the believing remnant Jews who were awaiting the promised kingdom and does not apply to gentile believers.

1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Since Jesus was sinless, many ask why Jesus received a baptism of repentance from John.

Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

It may be that even though Jesus had no need to repent, he may have taken advantage of the opportunity for a ritual cleansing that was required of priests.

Heb_6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Washings and cleansings were fairly common in Israel;

Mikveh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Water baptism is one of the most devised theory of today !!

Matt 3:16 says that Jesus was water baptized , and the question remans , why was Jesus then water BAPTIZED if he had no SIN ??

Many quote 1 Peter 3:21 as their proof , but the Greek text , dos not say BAPTISM , BUT says BAPTISMA in the Greek text .

And Heb 6:1 says , LEAVING the doctrines , meaning , teaching of Christ , let us go unto PERFECTION , not laying AGAIN the FOUNDATIONS

of REPENTANCE from dead WORKS , and of FAITH toward God ,

I say that there are three reasons why water Baptism passed away , wat say you ??

Acts 1:5 is just ONE reason why WATER BAPTISM passed away and there are more ??

dan p

As John the Baptist said, it is His Holy Spirit baptism that saves. There is a distinction.

Matthew 3:11-17​

11" I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

You see His power is in His Holy Spirit, not in water. In addition, to the power of His Holy Spirit to save, He also has the power to judge and cast away those who hate Him in unquenchable fire.

Blessings

 

[Servus]

Seeing as how probably 99% of Christians get baptized, baptism shouldn't much of a controversy.

 

[timothyu]

The Jews practiced ritual purification long before John or Jesus came along. When Jesus was ritually purified that is when the HS descended upon Him and His time began.. Seemed rather appropriate

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi, Dan.
In this case isn't the real point the idea that baptism alone can save.

What I see is that I believe that WATER BAPTISM was only given to the Priesthood and ONLY given to Israel !!

And Ex 19:6 and Rev 1:6

There are no PRIEST in the BODY of CHRIST !!

The question remains , Why was Jesus WATER BAPTIZED ??

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

Well, He is our High Priest and we are royal priesthood.

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi, Dan.
In this case isn't the real point the idea that baptism alone can save.

So , you believe Mark 16:18 where He that believeth and is BAPTIZED SHALL be Saved ., but he that believeth not

shall be DAMMED .

Verse says , these signs shall follow them that believe , n my name shall they cast out devils they shall speak in NEW TONGUES

They shall take up SERPENTS and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them , they shall hands on the SICK

and they SHALL recover .

dan p

 

[timothyu]

Baptised with the spirit

 

[Dan Perez]

Baptised with the spirit

And you believe all of Mark 16:16-18 and you , experienced it all ??

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

Please don't assume what I think or believe.
I'll grant you the same dignity.

 

[Guojing]

Seeing as how probably 99% of Christians get baptized, baptism shouldn't much of a controversy.

Would it be controversial if you encounter a Christian on the death bed and you ask him why is he confident he is saved, and he reply, "Its because I have been water baptized?"

 

[Grafted In]

I think water baptism identifies us with Moses, also.
All of the Hebrew people went through the sea on dry ground as God reveals to him how to get out of Egypt alive.
A type or shadow of baptism.

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi, Dan.
In this case isn't the real point the idea that baptism alone can save.

And I ready to listen to a verse sand I quoted Mark 16:15-18 ??

Is Mark 16: 15;16-18 for Israel ???

Or is it for Israel ??

Maybe for the GREAT TRIULATION ??

Just asking ??

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

And I ready to listen to a verse sand I quoted Mark 16:15-18 ??

Is Mark 16: 15;16-18 for Israel ???

Or is it for Israel ??

Maybe for the GREAT TRIULATION ??

Just asking ??

dan p

Are you certain those Scriptures are referring to water baptism?
"By water AND by Spirit'.