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Flaws in that though...how do they determine the age of those?

Some sort of radiometric dating technique depending on the chemistry of the crystal that will give the age of formation for the specific grain.
 
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Regardless of accordioning, human fossils are not found in the same rocks that dinosaur fossils are found in.

Maybe humans and dinosaurs didn't get along with each other after the Flood, and kept their distance?
 
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Flaws in that though...how do they determine the age of those?
Inside those dust sized crystals is radioactive materials and daughter products.

Each Zircon actually yields two separate ages(that agree) because u-238 and u-235 have different daughter products of lead-204 and Pb-206. The current acceptable difference between the two ages is only 0.001%. Two different natural clocks that counted to the same time.
 
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Flaws in that though...how do they determine the age of those?
Himalayan salt does not tell us that but it does have an expiry date on the package so we at least know when the world ends.
 
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Even early creationists believed sedimentary rocks to be part of a "secondary" cause. Different from primary rocks which were created by god.

The main issue is early creationists believed the secondary cause to be one singular event: Noah's flood. As opposed to Aristotelians who believed the secondary causes to be a very slow process.
Growing into adulthood isn't an instantaneous process either. Yet I think most on all sides believe Adam was created as a fully grown adult.
 
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If God created all living creatures in 2 days why are they spread over 3.48 billion years in the fossil layer & not found together???

Notice how that whale is pictured in some made-up category called "Miocene," then this "Miocene" is labeled as 23 million years ago; when in reality, whales came before land animals?

Satan knows how to draw and label things, doesn't he?

Not one of those numbers to the right of Satan's picture should be labeled as higher than 6000 years.

Yet there they are: 1.3, 5.8, 23, 33.9, 55.8, 65.5 million years ago!

And academia buys into that like it's the Gospel.
 
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Growing into adulthood isn't an instantaneous process either. Yet I think most on all sides believe Adam was created as a fully grown adult.
That's not how any of the YEC or OEC who researched nature saw it. Embedded age doesn't show up in any antediluvian literature I've read.

Most professional creationists and creationwiki argue accelerated time.
 
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Notice how that whale is pictured in some made-up category called "Miocene," then this "Miocene" is labeled as 23 million years ago; when in reality, whales came before land animals?

Satan knows how to draw and label things, doesn't he?

Not one of those numbers to the right of Satan's picture should be labeled as older than 6000 years.

Yet there they are: 1.3, 5.8, 23, 33.9, 55.8, 65.5 million years ago!

And academia buys into that like it's the Gospel.

And yet all of that is just your own claim, nothing more.
 
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Notice how that whale is pictured in some made-up category called "Miocene," then this "Miocene" is labeled as 23 million years ago; when in reality, whales came before land animals?

Satan knows how to draw and label things, doesn't he?

Not one of those numbers to the right of Satan's picture should be labeled as higher than 6000 years.

Yet there they are: 1.3, 5.8, 23, 33.9, 55.8, 65.5 million years ago!

And academia buys into that like it's the Gospel.
No, they only buy into it like it's the best explanation currently available.
 
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Why are you so convinced that your personal interpretation of a Young Earth is correct?
I believe in the Consensus of the Fathers, whom among all contended to a Young Earth. I also base my interpretation of Young Earth on my study of the Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation and Answers in Genesis.
Aside from personal preference do you have an objective method of making your interpretation correct?
Method? I will sent you some books, but I am unsure what you mean by "method."
How do you feel about Flat Earth believers who also claim that they are supported by a literal reading of the Bible?
They do not have the Consensus of the Fathers, nor any Father that I know of.
You have made an accusation... I'f be very interested if you can support it with any kind of specifics?
Many! Germ Theory of Disease, Ulcers and Bacteria, and especially Continental Drift, which was ridiculed as pseudoscience when Alfred Wegener proposed the theory in 1912, but was later validated in the 1960s, becoming the fundamental concept in geology, and making the act of rejecting it considered pseudoscientific.
The definition of pseudoscience isn't that it is contrary to the mainstream consensus... it's a description of a flawed methodology.
Who's methodology is the correct methodology? Science is about questioning things, and using new methods to find new things; if a "flawed methodology" works to prove a point, is it pseudoscientific at that point?
Creationism is typically built around axioms that can not be questioned and are frequently not even hypothetically disprovable.
Then why is it considered scientifically disfavorable?
The graphic is absolutely demonstrated by evidence. Geology has a multitude of streams of evidence, and they happen to line up with evidence from physics, astronomy and biology. No scientific theory is ever "proven" in the mathematical context, but in the common use of "beyond reasonable doubt" then evolution and geology are absolutely proven.
Yet, if Creationists use "beyond reasonable doubt," it is considered pseudoscientific, as it would be 'flawed methodology.' As I spoke on in a previous thread, Hubble said (The Observational Approach to Cosmology) that the apparent alignment of the Cosmic Microwave Background and our ecliptic (aka the precipice of being a 'special' planet or the center of everything in creation) could only be denied because it is 'unwelcome': "…Such a condition would imply that we occupy a unique position in the universe, analogous, in a sense, to the ancient conception of a central EarthThis hypothesis cannot be disproved, but it is unwelcome and would only be accepted as a last resort in order to save the phenomena. Therefore we disregard this possibility…. the unwelcome position of a favored location must be avoided at all costs…. such a favored position is intolerable…Therefore, in order to restore homogeneity, and to escape the horror of a unique position…must be compensated by spatial curvature. There seems to be no other escape.”
 
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Growing into adulthood isn't an instantaneous process either. Yet I think most on all sides believe Adam was created as a fully grown adult.

Just don't put "Adam" down on the final exam, or you won't make the dev dean's list.

Put a "y-" before his name and call him y-Adam, and you should be okay.

Eve gets more letters.

She's mtDNA Eve.

And, of course,* she lived thousands of years apart from her husband.

* :rolleyes:
 
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Most professional creationists and creationwiki argue accelerated time.

That's why they're "professionals."

The world knows who to hire and who not to.
 
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No, they only buy into it like it's the best explanation currently available.

And how many tries did it take before they got their story to sound plausible enough to teach it in academic settings as "fact"?
 
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That's not how any of the YEC or OEC who researched nature saw it. Embedded age doesn't show up in any antediluvian literature I've read.

Most professional creationists and creationwiki argue accelerated time.
People outside of the faith assume that proving natural evidence of an old earth would disprove YEC, yet it wouldn't at all. I am still open to the Omphalos hypothesis, which asserts that within the past six to ten thousand years (in keeping with flood geology), and that the presence of objective, verifiable evidence that the universe is older than approximately ten millennia is due to the creator introducing false evidence that makes the universe appear significantly older. It would solve all issues of OEC [in the event of proving natural evidence of an old earth], and the visible light that appears to originate from far-off stars and galaxies (addressing the "starlight problem").

I lean towards the Omphalos hypothesis, but it is the perfect substitute for Creationists [in the event of proving natural evidence of an old earth] for scientific evidence of YEC in my mind.
 
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Growing into adulthood isn't an instantaneous process either. Yet I think most on all sides believe Adam was created as a fully grown adult.
The Bible says that Adam was made of dust from the ground, but everyone in the Old Testament is made of dust, Abraham, Job, the psalmist etc. it's not really a statement about biological origins.

Genesis 18:27 ESV
[27] Abraham answered and said, “Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes.

Psalm 103:14 ESV
[14] For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust.

Job 10:9 NASB1995
[9] Remember now, that You have made me as clay; And would You turn me into dust again?

Ecclesiastes 3:20 NASB1995
[20] All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust.
 
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And how many tries did it take before they got their story to sound plausible enough to teach it in academic settings as "fact"?
They still don't. You're just annoyed that they don't pay any attention to your "fact" which is an ancient religious text that is about something else altogether.
 
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People outside of the faith assume that proving natural evidence of an old earth would disprove YEC, yet it wouldn't at all. I am still open to the Omphalos hypothesis, which asserts that within the past six to ten thousand years (in keeping with flood geology), and that the presence of objective, verifiable evidence that the universe is older than approximately ten millennia is due to the creator introducing false evidence that makes the universe appear significantly older. It would solve all issues of OEC [in the event of proving natural evidence of an old earth], and the visible light that appears to originate from far-off stars and galaxies (addressing the "starlight problem").

Im not saying the Omphalos hypothesis is not possible, but it is the substitute [in the event of proving natural evidence of an old earth] scientific evidence for YEC in my mind.
I'm just pointing out that Omphalos hypotheses are all fairly recent. OEC is fairly old and continuous hypothesis. It was the preferred hypothesis of medieval universities that taught nature. Omphalos comes after the invention of modern geology.
 
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