Lordship Salvation is hideous

[Cockcrow]

John 8:31 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;" These are saved believers John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." but Jesus says if you continue in the word then you are disciples. Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Discipleship, taking up the cross, Following Jesus is works. yes it is. Salvation and discipleship cannot mix, according to Jesus they are not the same thing John 8:31 this proves discipleship and salvation are not the same.

Reading the bible, obeying commands, thats works, thats discipleship. We should do that after salvation to keep a good relationship with God avoid chastisement and grow in sanctification. but has nothing to do with the free gift of salvation. If you have to repent of this sin or that sin or clean up the life, thats works not salvation. Do not conflate salvation and discipleship they are two separate things. salvation is a one time event passed from death to life, in a moment of time twinkling of an eye. Counting the cost is works, salvation is not costly.

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Acts 16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

John 8:31 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;" These are saved believers John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." but Jesus says if you continue in the word then you are disciples. Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Discipleship, taking up the cross, Following Jesus is works. yes it is. Salvation and discipleship cannot mix, according to Jesus they are not the same thing John 8:31 this proves discipleship and salvation are not the same.

Reading the bible, obeying commands, thats works, thats discipleship. We should do that after salvation to keep a good relationship with God avoid chastisement and grow in sanctification. but has nothing to do with the free gift of salvation. If you have to repent of this sin or that sin or clean up the life, thats works not salvation. Do not conflate salvation and discipleship they are two separate things. salvation is a one time event passed from death to life, in a moment of time twinkling of an eye. Counting the cost is works, salvation is not costly.

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Acts 16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

So Jesus Christ of Nazareth is not your Lord?

 

[d taylor]

So Jesus Christ of Nazareth is not your Lord?

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The point of his post is, that is not what a person must believe about Jesus. To receive God's free gift of Eternal life salvation and become a born again child of God. The Gospel of John plainly states to believe Jesus is The Son of God/The Messiah, the resurrection and the life.

That is the name that God has given for people to believe to receive Eternal Life. Just a casual reading of the Gospel of John shows this.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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The point of his post is, that is not what a person must believe about Jesus. To receive God's free gift of Eternal life salvation and become a born again child of God. The Gospel of John plainly states to believe Jesus is The Son of God/The Messiah, the resurrection and the life.

That is the name that God has given for people to believe top receive Eternal Life. Just a casual reading of the Gospel of John shows this.

I agree but is He not also our Lord ? He is the King of the Kingdom of God.
I really do think this aversion to Lordship is simply semantics. After all, He is called by many different names as prophesied by Isaiah:9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Blessings

 

[d taylor]

I agree but is He not also our Lord ? He is the King of the Kingdom of God.
I really do think this aversion to Lordship is simply semantics. After all, He is called by many different names as prophesied by Isaiah:9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Blessings

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Jesus is Lord, but whether a born again believer make Jesus Lord of their life, That is not a salvation issue, but rather a child of God decision, discipleship area of their life.

I personally know of very few born again believers who have Jesus as Lord of their life, maybe none.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

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Jesus is Lord, but whether a born again believer make Jesus Lord of their life, That is not a salvation issue, but rather a child of God decision, discipleship area of their life.

I personally know of very few born again believers who have Jesus as Lord of their life, maybe none.

Now THAT is a honest breath of fresh air and a dose of reality which is most likely to cause a lot of stones to be hurdled in your direction. But don’t worry too much brother. The stones they throw won’t carry much weight because the beam coming out of their eyes is too heavy for them to have any strength left to cast a large stone.

blessings

 

[ozso]

I agree but is He not also our Lord ? He is the King of the Kingdom of God.
I really do think this aversion to Lordship is simply semantics. After all, He is called by many different names as prophesied by Isaiah:9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Blessings

Those who are against what's called "Lordship Salvation" claim the doctrine essentially says salivation is based on performance. That you earn and keep your salvation based on how obedient you are. So that's what they're objecting to rather than objecting to acknowledging Jesus is Lord.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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Jesus is Lord, but whether a born again believer make Jesus Lord of their life, That is not a salvation issue, but rather a child of God decision, discipleship area of their life.

I personally know of very few born again believers who have Jesus as Lord of their life, maybe none.

Wow. I guess that is why consistently only a remnant are saved because they know Him as Lord and King.
Thanks for sharing.
Be blessed.

 

[d taylor]

Wow. I guess that is why consistently only a remnant are saved because they know Him as Lord and King.
Thanks for sharing.
Be blessed.

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Where is the verse again that states this.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Works and fruit are not the same.
Fruits are the inevitable and intended product of a tree.
If you are a good tree, you will have good fruits.
These fruits are not designed or intended to make the tree "good" or to obtain "treedom." They are simply indicators of what kind of tree you are. The tree always comes before the fruit.

 

[d taylor]

Works and fruit are not the same.
Fruits are the inevitable and intended product of a tree.
If you are a good tree, you will have good fruits.
These fruits are not designed or intended to make the tree "good" or to obtain "treedom." They are simply indicators of what kind of tree you are. The tree always comes before the fruit.

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The parable of the soils shows the three types of believers (soils) there are. The 2nd, soil, the 3rd soil and the 4th soil and out of these three soils only one tree bore fruit. The third soil may have for a moment bore fruit, but he became unfruitful. So that does show the 3rd soil did bear some fruit.

 

[David Lamb]

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Jesus is Lord, but whether a born again believer make Jesus Lord of their life, That is not a salvation issue, but rather a child of God decision, discipleship area of their life.

I personally know of very few born again believers who have Jesus as Lord of their life, maybe none.

I often find myself quoting the case of the jailer at Philippi, and it is relevant here. When he asked how to be saved, the apostles didn't just say, "Believe in Jesus," but "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ." If someone doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, they are not believing in the Jesus Christ portrayed in the bible. Whether believing that Jesus Christ is Lord is all that is meant by "Lordship Salvation," I don't know.

 

[d taylor]

I often find myself quoting the case of the jailer at Philippi, and it is relevant here. When he asked how to be saved, the apostles didn't just say, "Believe in Jesus," but "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ." If someone doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, they are not believing in the Jesus Christ portrayed in the bible. Whether believing that Jesus Christ is Lord is all that is meant by "Lordship Salvation," I don't know.

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If you read the whole account of Acts 16 you will find this verse stating
Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house.

What is the word of the Lord? I am willing to bet that the word of the Lord, is telling the jailer and his family that Jesus is The Son of God/The Messiah, the resurrection and the life and that to be saved and receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation they need to believe this.

Because that is what the only book (John) of The Bible written to tell people how to have life (eternal life) states again and again and again, etc...

And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

The trouble is buried, as it often is. We do not make Christ the Lord of our life. It is God who changes us. It is not we who make anything more holy or righteous, or make anyone something they were not.

 

[David Lamb]

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If you read the whole account of Acts 16 you will find this verse stating
Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house.

What is the word of the Lord? I am willing to bet that the word of the Lord, is telling the jailer and his family that Jesus is The Son of God/The Messiah, the resurrection and the life and that to be saved and receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation they need to believe this.

True, but my point was that the apostles had already told him he need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Because that is what the only book (John) of The Bible written to tell people how to have life (eternal life) states again and again and again, etc...

And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

This is the question …
Luke 6:46:
46) "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and don't do the things which I say?

This is the standard …
John 8:29:
29) He who sent me is with me. The Father hasn't left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him."

How do you measure up?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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Where is the verse again that states this.

John 18:37: "Pilate therefore said to Him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

Revelation 19:16: "And on his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, 'KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.'"

 

[d taylor]

John 18:37: "Pilate therefore said to Him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

Revelation 19:16: "And on his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, 'KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.'"

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I did not say where does The Bible say where Jesus is King. I was asking where does it say in The Bible what you wrote only a remnant are saved because they know Him as Lord and King.

So where does The Bible say to be saved a person must know Jesus as Lord and King.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Those who are against what's called "Lordship Salvation" claim the doctrine essentially says salivation is based on performance. That you earn and keep your salvation based on how obedient you are. So that's what they're objecting to rather than objecting to acknowledging Jesus is Lord.

Nah...it is the Calvanist view mixed in with something else. In the end, it is another corrupt tactic of the Adversary who deciveves in order to stumble. The Gospel of Truth is written , people just have to read it plainly and stop adding to it. Thanks for sharing!
Be blessed.

 

[d taylor]

True, but my point was that the apostles had already told him he need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Yes, but that is just the way they refereed to Jesus when ask “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” because Jesus is Lord