Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’

[ViaCrucis]

I have spoken out strongly about the deceit of this administration and the plight of the trafficked. No one should support them. I have great hope that one Trump takes office the rescue will be speedy.

Who is it that has promised a mass deportation of undocumented immigrants?

You realize just how much worse it'll be if that were to happen, don't you?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Valletta]

Who is it that has promised a mass deportation of undocumented immigrants?

You realize just how much worse it'll be if that were to happen, don't you?

-CryptoLutheran

It is up to other countries to imprison the criminals returned. They will not suffer if they put them in jail. I think we should hold the terrorists captured here or in a country where we can be assured they will stay in prison. The cartel and gang members are not going to go easy. There will be bloodshed, especially in those areas were Democrat leaders refuse to cooperate. Some innocents may die in the crossfire, but realize hundreds of thousands may be freed from human trafficking. We need to locate the children quickly, please call on your Democrat "sanctuary" leaders to cooperate with federal authorities to free the innocents and capture violent criminals.

 

[Valletta]

I don't believe in prosecutions of police. I do think it was a ridiculous action and the person should have their gun taken from them completely and placed on desk duty. They don't have the ability to work in the field.

I do. It was recommended the guy be fired long ago--he never should have been on the force. We need a full investigation, we need to know why the group of officers walked away and why the policeman fired his weapon.

 

[Helmut-WK]

When Paul authored Romans 13, Emperor Nero was actively persecuting Christians,

No. The persecution started with the famous fire, the christian were persecuted as arsonists. The letter of Paul was written several years before that.
Nero was not very interested in politics, most of the issues were handled by the senate, so outside Rome the oddities (and crimes) od nero were rather unknown.

going so far as to burn them alive

The usual punishing for arsenists.

in his garden for entertainment and as a political statement.

This was written by someone who knew (from hindsight?) the charge was not true.

It is unlikely that Paul intended to endorse Nero's exercise of governmental authority.

He did not endorse what he did not know.

Ironically, throughout history, some Christians have interpreted Romans 13 as an argument for obeying rulers and government. However, in the first five verses of Romans 13, Paul appears to have violated at least three different Roman laws.

Really?

• Paul wrote to Roman citizens about Christianity, which conflicted with the official Roman religion and violated Roman law.

• It is unclear how many of the recipients were Roman citizens.
• Jews had a special allowance to practice their religion (including not to venerate the Roman Gods).

• He claimed that only God decides who rules, challenging the emperor's divinity.

Divinity was not given to living Caesars, when a living Caesar demanded it, this was seen as something he had no right to do (Nero was especially damned for that after his death). Augustus is reported to have said »I fear I become a god« when he died.

• Paul also preached about one true God, which was prohibited by Roman law.

Not for Jews.

Did Paul deny Christ when he assured that he never transgressed the laws of the Emperor (Acts 25:8)?

Things are somewhat more complicated than you thought.

 

[Helmut-WK]

False. Numerous people testified Trump offered 10,000 National Guard troops.

Name some. And don't forget to mention the time when the offer was given.

Many non-violent offenders walked right past Capitol guards without the guards even saying a word or giving any indication they should not enter into the Capitol. The "Shaman" was actually escorted into various area of the Capitol by guards. Have you seen that footage?

Sound like fake news. The guards tried to prevent the crowd to come to the Capitol, it had to giver up one defense line after the other, there was a violent fought at the gates (doors9 of the building, while others managed it to climb a platform that was defended, but not at every yard, reached windows, broke it and went into the building …
I have seen the video of the Shaman entering the capitol. There was no guard escorting him.

Is your footage KI-generated? Or do you mean that he was escorted out of the Capitol?

One of Trump's campaign positions was that he would pardon most if not all of those convicted.

What about those who killed a policeman and wounded others?

Trump won the majority of the American vote both electorally and among the populace.

No. He desperately looked for evidence, but his lawyers could not find and - because he lost the 2020 election.

But from a person who gulps the lie of the stolen election, I cannot expect a true picture of the 6th of January.

I do expect the officer who gunned down an unarmed civilian to be prosecuted or receive some kind of punishment.

The »unarmed« civilian attacked the defenders of the Capitol (more precisely: the door to the assembly hall, or how do you call it in English?) which wood clubs taken from chairs and the like - this call you unarmed? She had no gun. But she was one of those who broke the glasses of that door …

 

[Postvieww]

I agree with a lot of what you say but to call Harris the greater evil seems to show a lack of understanding about the scriptures. Yes, Harris supports an evil, abortion rights but Trump represents so much which is evil, according to the Bible.

He loves his money, he loaded with self pride, he is a compulsive liar, he is a fornicator, an adulterer. He is what Jesus told us not to be. Though he claims to be against abortion, he was pro choice up until he ran for President and still wants abortion rights left up to the states. He is not pro-life.

Trump is not the moral choice.

Jesus did not run in this past election!

 

[ViaCrucis]

It is up to other countries to imprison the criminals returned. They will not suffer if they put them in jail. I think we should hold the terrorists captured here or in a country where we can be assured they will stay in prison. The cartel and gang members are not going to go easy. There will be bloodshed, especially in those areas were Democrat leaders refuse to cooperate. Some innocents may die in the crossfire, but realize hundreds of thousands may be freed from human trafficking. We need to locate the children quickly, please call on your Democrat "sanctuary" leaders to cooperate with federal authorities to free the innocents and capture violent criminals.

I momentarily forgot that in MAGA world undocumented immigrants are viewed as comic book style villains, rather than what they are in reality: ordinary people who have families, jobs, pay taxes, obey the law, and contribute to their community.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Postvieww]

Did you forget that Trump is a threat to democracy?

• Many lies and fake news from him, especially the blatant lie that he had won the 2020 election
• With the result that a mob tried to overthrow the democratic elected government on the 6th of January, 2020.
• The judges in the supreme court which he appointed gave him the license to commit any crime as long as this is done in exercise of his office

Do you really think what the Dems did was a greater threat?

The main reason is that they believe any nonsense that Trump utters.
They even believed when he said that immigrants ate cats and dogs - LOL.

Do you mean Gerrymandering? It is done by both parties. Removal of poll station, lest the supporters of the democratic party vote? I never heard the Democrats did anything like that.

Absolutely the Democrat party in power as manifest over the last four years has been a threat to Democracy! To not see that shows a blindness to actual facts and an over exposure to and belief of liberal propaganda spewed by the corrupt MSM.

 

[Postvieww]

Who is it that has promised a mass deportation of undocumented immigrants?

You realize just how much worse it'll be if that were to happen, don't you?

-CryptoLutheran

Can we not just be accurate and call them illegal immigrants?

 

[Postvieww]

I momentarily forgot that in MAGA world undocumented immigrants are viewed as comic book style villains, rather than what they are in reality: ordinary people who have families, jobs, pay taxes, obey the law, and contribute to their community.

-CryptoLutheran

Apparently you also forgot about the human trafficking, drugs, rape and murder of innocent people.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

No. The persecution started with the famous fire, the christian were persecuted as arsonists. The letter of Paul was written several years before that.
Nero was not very interested in politics, most of the issues were handled by the senate, so outside Rome the oddities (and crimes) od nero were rather unknown.

The usual punishing for arsenists.

This was written by someone who knew (from hindsight?) the charge was not true.

He did not endorse what he did not know.

Really?

• It is unclear how many of the recipients were Roman citizens.
• Jews had a special allowance to practice their religion (including not to venerate the Roman Gods).

Divinity was not given to living Caesars, when a living Caesar demanded it, this was seen as something he had no right to do (Nero was especially damned for that after his death). Augustus is reported to have said »I fear I become a god« when he died.

Not for Jews.

Did Paul deny Christ when he assured that he never transgressed the laws of the Emperor (Acts 25:8)?

Things are somewhat more complicated than you thought.

The Book of Romans was addressed to Roman citizens, specifically the Gentiles. This action was considered a clear violation of Roman law.

Romans 1: 6-7 "And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ. To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ."

Romans were persecuting Christians long before the fire in AD 64. Acts 18:2 mentions that Priscilla and Aquila left Rome between AD 49 and AD 54, around the same time Paul wrote the letter to the Romans.

Your point about Nero burning Christians is accurate, as this event occurred after AD 64. However, it is important to note that the persecution of Christians in Rome began prior to 64 AD.

The Romans allowed monotheistic preaching exclusively among the Jewish population to maintain their satisfaction, but prohibited monotheistic theology throughout the rest of the Roman Empire. Preaching Christianity, which contradicted pagan beliefs and promoted the worship of a single True God, was considered an affront to the divinity of the Emperor.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Apparently you also forgot about the human trafficking, drugs, rape and murder of innocent people.

Sure, we can talk about Donald Trump and MAGA folks who have done some of these things if you want.

Not sure why you'd want to bring that up though.

Should we mention Donald Trump's conviction as a rapist?
How about Matt Gaetz involvement in human trafficking, use of drugs, and rape of underage girls?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can we not just be accurate and call them illegal immigrants?

Undocumented immigrants is an accurate term.

You prefer "illegal" simply because it justifies your personal confirmation bias, and lets you dehumanize them all collectively as drug and human traffickers.

Just like it was easier for the German people to accept the forced removal of Jews because of the Nazi propaganda used.

It's the narrative that guarantees that one doesn't have to worry about using their God-given conscience to work through complex societal and moral issues.

"They are all evil, so my moral responsibility toward my neighbor doesn't apply to them."

One wonders, however, if that will be a justified excuse come Judgement Day.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[zippy2006]

No. Fact based statement.

You started dating a progressive woman and your intelligence decreased. No?

 

[ViaCrucis]

You started dating a progressive woman and your intelligence decreased. No?

What are you even talking about? Did you just invent an entire fiction about me and my personal life? Why?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BPPLEE]

Undocumented immigrants is an accurate term.

You prefer "illegal" simply because it justifies your personal confirmation bias, and lets you dehumanize them all collectively as drug and human traffickers.

Just like it was easier for the German people to accept the forced removal of Jews because of the Nazi propaganda used.

It's the narrative that guarantees that one doesn't have to worry about using their God-given conscience to work through complex societal and moral issues.

"They are all evil, so my moral responsibility toward my neighbor doesn't apply to them."

One wonders, however, if that will be a justified excuse come Judgement Day.

-CryptoLutheran

What do you call people who break the law?

 

[ViaCrucis]

What do you call people who break the law?

Republicans.

Jokes aside, I call them criminals.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BPPLEE]

Republicans.

Jokes aside, I call them criminals.

-CryptoLutheran

Undocumented immigrants are criminals then.

 

[Vambram]

Yeah.

So my question is this: Why support someone, and an administration, that has effectively promised to make it worse?

-CryptoLutheran

You have GOT to be kidding me, right? The incoming administration is promising to improve the situation. In what reality do you think that Donald Trump and his administration is going to make the problems of undocumented immigrant children being abused worse than what those kids have been experiencing?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Undocumented immigrants are criminals then.

From a purely legalistic definition, yes.

But then, in many jurisdictions, so are Christians.

Which gets us to St. Augustine's dictum, lex iniustia non est lex. An unjust law is no law at all.

Should I regard you a criminal should you, one day, by your mere existence be declared unlawful?

-CryptoLutheran