Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’

[Aaron112]

John Piper received backlash on social media this week after remarking that President-elect Donald Trump's victory was an "evil."

Pipers been exposed decades ago.
teachingtheword.org/apps/articles/?articleid=179316&view=post&blogid=5449
"2009: Piper Embraces Federal Vision Theology"

 

[Helmut-WK]

Incorrect. The truth is it was the Democrat leadership the became a threat to democracy.

Did you forget that Trump is a threat to democracy?

• Many lies and fake news from him, especially the blatant lie that he had won the 2020 election
• With the result that a mob tried to overthrow the democratic elected government on the 6th of January, 2020.
• The judges in the supreme court which he appointed gave him the license to commit any crime as long as this is done in exercise of his office

Do you really think what the Dems did was a greater threat?

That is is one of the reasons why Trump was elected.

The main reason is that they believe any nonsense that Trump utters.
They even believed when he said that immigrants ate cats and dogs - LOL.

Heavy-handed tactics were used against Biden's political opponents.

Do you mean Gerrymandering? It is done by both parties. Removal of poll station, lest the supporters of the democratic party vote? I never heard the Democrats did anything like that.

 

[RDKirk]

Under Romans 13 John Piper's response was wrong.

But I admit I sounded like Piper when Trump won.

I believe I share his frustration with many Christians idolising Trump and being in denial about this sin.

Evangelical Christians always remember Romans 13 for Republicans and forget it for Democrats.

But Piper said the same things the first time Trump won. He hasn't changed his tune at all.

 

[RDKirk]

Hello! Good to meet you. On the other hand there are biblical examples where a Godly heritage does seem to do some good:

2 Timothy 1:5 remembering the sincere faith in you, which lived first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am convinced that is in you also.

God Bless You

That was said of someone who, at a surprisingly young age, was of such stature by his own faith to be an apostle. That can hardly be said of Trump.

 

[Valletta]

Did you forget that Trump is a threat to democracy?

• Many lies and fake news from him, especially the blatant lie that he had won the 2020 election
• With the result that a mob tried to overthrow the democratic elected government on the 6th of January, 2020.
• The judges in the supreme court which he appointed gave him the license to commit any crime as long as this is done in exercise of his office

Do you really think what the Dems did was a greater threat?

The main reason is that they believe any nonsense that Trump utters.
They even believed when he said that immigrants ate cats and dogs - LOL.

Do you mean Gerrymandering? It is done by both parties. Removal of poll station, lest the supporters of the democratic party vote? I never heard the Democrats did anything like that.

I apologize for the American media. They routinely insert bias into stories, I have a lot of personal experience with them and it is a fact. There is no national mechanism for correcting false media statements as there is in my state where members of the media will take complaints and resolve them. The national press as a whole has rejected the idea. Remember so many in the establishment portrayed Trump as "Hitler" and now you see Joe Biden and Morning Joe having civil conversations with him.
I assure you you there was no real attempt to "overthrow" the U.S. government. The truth is the Democrats were responsible for extensive wrongdoing. As to the election, Lara Trump made sure the Republicans had a huge number of election observers and this last election was held with far more integrity than was the previous election. As to members of the federal government using taxpayer money to try and get Joe elected, and for those who violated our border laws, I believe some will be prosecuted.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

We simply have a difference of opinion about the role of the church versus the role of government. With a government that is living well beyond it's means, it's a good time to check out all unnecessary expenditures - lest we crash financially.


They spend like drunks on payday. Time to end it - FOR THE LOVE Of OUR NEIGHBORS! !!!

So your argument is that the role of the church, as commanded by Jesus, is to "feed the hungry, take care of the poor, and give shelter," while the role of the government is entirely different. It seems you want to practice both Jesus' commandments and secular laws simultaneously.

Jesus did advise such practices “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

If more Christians had spent their lives instead of running from politics running towards it in order to to keep sanity and justice in our government and our nation.

This contradicts Jesus' teachings. Christians should focus on Christ rather than politics. If they lived as Christ commanded, prayed for society, and preached the gospel, we would have a better society. Politics and government can't achieve this.

 

[Helmut-WK]

I apologize for the American media. They routinely insert bias into stories,

Especially Fox News

I assure you you there was no real attempt to "overthrow" the U.S. government.

They wanted that Biden's election should not be certified. And it was violent, there was a long documentation with many video material where you could see the massive attacks on the capitol police. The haunt for Pelosi, and so on …

Despite the fact that all attorneys of Trump could bring forward not a single case of fraud. It all turned out to be fake news, or exaggerations of incidents that could not overturn the result.

How do you describe a violent attempt to prevent the president elect becoming the sitting president?

As to the election, Lara Trump made sure the Republicans had a huge number of election observers and this last election was held with far more integrity than was the previous election.

You still believe the lie of the stolen election?

As to members of the federal government using taxpayer money to try and get Joe elected, and for those who violated our border laws, I believe some will be prosecuted.

What are you talking about?

 

[Helmut-WK]

So your argument is that the role of the church, as commanded by Jesus, is to "feed the hungry, take care of the poor, and give shelter," while the role of the government is entirely different.

As to the role of government, Jesus said next to nothing. Ordinary people had no influence on that (except prayer, of course).
Roman 13 has something about the role of government, including capital punishment.

Jesus did advise such practices “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”

If I put this to the logical consequence, you should pay no taxes, lest your money would be misused by the government.

 

[RDKirk]

I apologize for the American media. They routinely insert bias into stories, I have a lot of personal experience with them and it is a fact. There is no national mechanism for correcting false media statements as there is in my state where members of the media will take complaints and resolve them. The national press as a whole has rejected the idea. Remember so many in the establishment portrayed Trump as "Hitler" and now you see Joe Biden and Morning Joe having civil conversations with him.
I assure you you there was no real attempt to "overthrow" the U.S. government. The truth is the Democrats were responsible for extensive wrongdoing. As to the election, Lara Trump made sure the Republicans had a huge number of election observers and this last election was held with far more integrity than was the previous election. As to members of the federal government using taxpayer money to try and get Joe elected, and for those who violated our border laws, I believe some will be prosecuted.

This election was held with no more or less integrity than the previous election. The difference was only that it fell in favor of the naysayers.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

As to the role of government, Jesus said next to nothing. Ordinary people had no influence on that (except prayer, of course).
Roman 13 has something about the role of government, including capital punishment.

If I put this to the logical consequence, you should pay no taxes, lest your money would be misused by the government.

What do you think Jesus said about paying Taxes?

Romans 13 primarily addresses the responsibility of Christians to be obedient and respectful to authority. It does not pertain to the role of government, the establishment of secular governments, or political involvement.

 

[Valletta]

Especially Fox News

They wanted that Biden's election should not be certified. And it was violent, there was a long documentation with many video material where you could see the massive attacks on the capitol police. The haunt for Pelosi, and so on …

Despite the fact that all attorneys of Trump could bring forward not a single case of fraud. It all turned out to be fake news, or exaggerations of incidents that could not overturn the result.

How do you describe a violent attempt to prevent the president elect becoming the sitting president?

You still believe the lie of the stolen election?

What are you talking about?

Actually it was the lawful contesting of the electors that was interrupted. There were not "massive" attacks, there were individuals who were there to make trouble and be violent. You saw select video approved by Democrats. Sadly Democrat leaders did not want the 10,000 National Guard troops Trump offered. Trump warned that, as is so often the case with such a large crowd, that troublemakers would be there. We do have a Nancy Pelosi recording with her taking responsibility. While any individual who is violent (except in cases of self defense) should do jail time, non-violent protesters should not be given long sentences as was so often the case--political prisoners. As someone who had dealt with corruption in the government for decades I will say I was still shocked at the behavior of Democrats in Detroit on election night. I just didn't think that many election workers would participate in or condone such massive election wrongdoing. It happened in other locations as well. As I said, this last election was a vast improvement.

 

[Helmut-WK]

What do you think Jesus said about paying Taxes?

You got the hint: Your position is not that of Jesus …

Romans 13 primarily addresses the responsibility of Christians to be obedient and respectful to authority. It does not pertain to the role of government, the establishment of secular governments, or political involvement.

Quote from the Bible:

Rom 13:3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Indirectly, it says that a government that engages and reward evildoers, but punishes good citizens is no good government.
And that a government has the right to impose death penalty (alluded to by the word »sword«).

 

[Helmut-WK]

Actually it was the lawful contesting of the electors that was interrupted.

???

There were not "massive" attacks, there were individuals who were there to make trouble and be violent.

Several hundred individuals, this is a crowd, enough to bring capitol police into serious troubles. Beating on heads, pressing up to the point where cops faint of exhaustion and lack of breath, is a massive attack in my eyes.

You saw select video approved by Democrats.

No, that was not edited by the Democrats. The documentation included even interviews with several participants.

Sadly Democrat leaders did not want the 10,000 National Guard troops Trump offered.

Wrong. Trump offered only when the battle was almost over and the Vice-President and all congressmen were in a safe room.

While any individual who is violent (except in cases of self defense) should do jail time, non-violent protesters should not be given long sentences as was so often the case--political prisoners.

Give an example of a »non-violent« protestor.
Even if a person is not violent itself, climbing through a window broken by other individuals into a room you are not allowed to enter in order to stop the certification of the president elect is no small transgression.

As someone who had dealt with corruption in the government for decades I will say I was still shocked at the behavior of Democrats in Detroit on election night.

What happened?

 

[Valletta]

Wrong. Trump offered only when the battle was almost over and the Vice-President and all congressmen were in a safe room.

Give an example of a »non-violent« protestor.
Even if a person is not violent itself, climbing through a window broken by other individuals into a room you are not allowed to enter in order to stop the certification of the president elect is no small transgression.

False. Numerous people testified Trump offered 10,000 National Guard troops. That information has been suppressed by the establishment, and people may very well go to jail for any destruction of records relating to that fact. The truth is that Nancy Pelosi did not want the National Guard. She is recorded as accepting responsibility.

Many non-violent offenders walked right past Capitol guards without the guards even saying a word or giving any indication they should not enter into the Capitol. The "Shaman" was actually escorted into various area of the Capitol by guards. Have you seen that footage?

One of Trump's campaign positions was that he would pardon most if not all of those convicted. Trump won the majority of the American vote both electorally and among the populace. I do expect the officer who gunned down an unarmed civilian to be prosecuted or receive some kind of punishment.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

You got the hint: Your position is not that of Jesus …

Quote from the Bible:

Indirectly, it says that a government that engages and reward evildoers, but punishes good citizens is no good government.
And that a government has the right to impose death penalty (alluded to by the word »sword«).

When Paul authored Romans 13, Emperor Nero was actively persecuting Christians, going so far as to burn them alive in his garden for entertainment and as a political statement. It is unlikely that Paul intended to endorse Nero's exercise of governmental authority.

Ironically, throughout history, some Christians have interpreted Romans 13 as an argument for obeying rulers and government. However, in the first five verses of Romans 13, Paul appears to have violated at least three different Roman laws.

In Romans 13

• Paul wrote to Roman citizens about Christianity, which conflicted with the official Roman religion and violated Roman law.
• He claimed that only God decides who rules, challenging the emperor's divinity.
• Paul also preached about one true God, which was prohibited by Roman law.

 

[ViaCrucis]

According to the authorities, there are well over 300,000 undocumented immigrant children who are unaccounted for. Nobody in the federal government, or in the state governments, know where those children are. Those kids must be found and rescued if they are being abused in any way shape, form, or fashion.

Yeah.

So my question is this: Why support someone, and an administration, that has effectively promised to make it worse?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Emotional hogwash.

No. Fact based statement.

Though am I emotional about it? You betcha.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Valletta]

Yeah.

So my question is this: Why support someone, and an administration, that has effectively promised to make it worse?

-CryptoLutheran

I have spoken out strongly about the deceit of this administration and the plight of the trafficked. No one should support them. I have great hope that one Trump takes office the rescue will be speedy.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I do expect the officer who gunned down an unarmed civilian to be prosecuted or receive some kind of punishment.

I don't believe in prosecutions of police. I do think it was a ridiculous action and the person should have their gun taken from them completely and placed on desk duty. They don't have the ability to work in the field.