Oldest rock in the world 2 days after creation (embedded age)

[dlamberth]

AV1611VET. I guess AV1 is a better short name​

AV is what is used.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV1611VET. I guess AV1 is a better short name​

I'll answer to anything!

 

[AV1611VET]

No, we just call him AV for short. He's fine with that.

Yup.

 

[Aaron112]

God works in mysterious ways.

Hi. Are you alive , back after a time away, or is someone else using your username ?
If it's you , good to see you back....

 

[AV1611VET]

AV is what is used.

I combine AV1611 with Vet, since I'm a Vietnam Era Vet.

Phil is my real name.

 

[truthpls]

Nobody has left Him out of it.

So if we look at a rock 2 days old that He created and say that He created it billions of years ago how is that having God in it?

We can agree that He made everything. And that includes the intelligence to work out how old things are.

Or, the intelligence to know He is not a liar and created just as He said.

If you have a tree then we can tell how old it is by counting the growth rings

Not if the tree was here on creation day 4. The rings would not help tell us the age.

. We know it just didn't appear a couple of days ago.

In Eden that was not true. And Eden was only something like 6000 years ago

Similarly, we can date rocks. So we know when God created it.

Someone looking the the example rock in the OP who said that they could date the rock billions of years old would be talking foolishness

Do you doubt the age of trees?

What trees? Trees that are now 30 years old? No. Trees they might claim are more than 6000 years old? Yes One size does not fit all in creation issues.

Of course not. But you doubt the age of rocks.

Not at all. I dismiss so called ages by the naturalonlydunnit crowd. The person declaring the newly created rock billions of years old would not be dealing in reality

So you accept the science when it doesn't contradict Genesis, but you do when it does.

Yes.

That's the only difference. Nobody is arguing about whether God exists or not.

They are saying He lied in Scripture and that the apostles, prophets and Jesus did not know what they are talking about

The argument is that you are interpreting Genesis literally. And the evidence doesn't support that view.

Yes Jesus said so. Scripture is evidence. The natural only tea reader fantasy folks cannot deal in evidence for creation! Tell us how you get a sample of the universe if it took, say, three hours to create?

Nothing anyone says is going to change your mind. And evidence that you are wrong will just be discounted by saying 'God made it that way'. It's called Last Thursdayism: Last Thursdayism.

What will change your mind from using only the physical to tell us what God the Spirit did? You not only get last week wrong, but billions of imaginary years!

Using your exact same argument I can say that everything was created by God last Thursday.

No. You can't. We know Jesus was not here last week. Look at a calendar and any school child could see that the first Christmas or even last Christmas was not last week

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi. Are you alive , back after a time away, or is someone else using your username ?
If it's you , good to see you back....

Thank you, my friend!

God bless you!

Yes ... wife had a liver transplant and was in the hospital for a month!

 

[dlamberth]

I combine AV1611 with Vet, since I'm a Vietnam Era Vet.

I new you were a Vietnam Vet.

Phil is my real name.

Thanks. I didn't know that.

 

[Bradskii]

So if we look at a rock 2 days old that He created and say that He created it billions of years ago how is that having God in it?

If the rock is two days old, then He made it two days ago. If the rock is billions of years old then He made it billions of years ago. You can interpret the bible as you see fit. People who interpret it in the same way that you do will think that you are right. Those that don't know that you are wrong.

Why you feel the need to argue about it is beyond me.

 

[truthpls]

God's not physical, but this Creation is.

Says who? Are angels created? Does man have a spirit? Can the world not be affected as needed by God anytime?

Yes, I use only what God's own Creation, as Created by God is showing us.

I'm not a Christian.

OK. So you don't deny that only the natural is used by science to tell us where we came from as some non bible believing Christians here do.

If your into having God as a deceiver?...that's not the God whom I pray to.

If you are not a Christian, then of course who you pray to in not the God of the bible. There is no deception except inside the minds and schemes of natural only dunnit it modern science devotees.

 

[Aaron112]

Two famous trees had a race one day, and other days also.

They were clocked by radar doing 75 mph in a 30mph school zone.

Neither of them were given a ticked, btw. They are still proving shade for children and homes in their branches for little birds , insects, and squirrels. Their carburetors were not removed, nor even found nor looked for, even thought the trees used up no gasoline at all in their travels.

p.s. the radar has disavowed knowledge of the veracity or accuracy of the public reports;
and the radars used were 10,000,000 times more accurate than carbon dating normally used.

 

[truthpls]

Since you seem to have such a low opinion of science, I'll ask something I asked on the other thread to another poster: is God's creation, the Earth, worth studying then?

To a point. Solomon studied creation and birds and bugs, and it all pointed to the wisdom of God. To leave God out of creation is not studying the world it is working with half a deck of cards

 

[truthpls]

AV is what is used.

OK

 

[truthpls]

I'll answer to anything!

Good, it seems like one of your friends was offended at getting it wrong

 

[dlamberth]

So if we look at a rock 2 days old that He created and say that He created it billions of years ago how is that having God in it?

The rock in question is itself showing that it is billions of years old.

Or, the intelligence to know He is not a liar and created just as He said.

Or, your making God out to be a deceiver by creating something (actually all of the Earth) that looks old but isn't.

Not if the tree was here on creation day 4. The rings would not help tell us the age.

The tree rings show actual age. Trees can not deceive.

In Eden that was not true. And Eden was only something like 6000 years ago

Someone looking the the example rock in the OP who said that they could date the rock billions of years old would be talking foolishness

Not at all. God's own Creation, as Created by God is showing us a multi-billion time frame.

What trees? Trees that are now 30 years old? No. Trees they might claim are more than 6000 years old? Yes One size does not fit all in creation issues.

Only if deception in involved.

Not at all. I dismiss so called ages by the naturalonlydunnit crowd. The person declaring the newly created rock billions of years old would not be dealing in reality

That IS reality!

They are saying He lied in Scripture and that the apostles, prophets and Jesus did not know what they are talking about

The Biblical Creation story is from an ancient middle-eastern tribe, that's what they believed at the time. Today we know better.

Yes Jesus said so. Scripture is evidence. The natural only tea reader fantasy folks cannot deal in evidence for creation! Tell us how you get a sample of the universe if it took, say, three hours to create?

Bring that the Universe came into being some 14 Billion years ago, the physical evidence paints a very different picture than your scripture.

What will change your mind from using only the physical to tell us what God the Spirit did? You not only get last week wrong, but billions of imaginary years!

Nothing. God's Creation, as Created by God can not lie.

 

[truthpls]

If the rock is two days old, then He made it two days ago.

Yes, as would be the case in the OP

If the rock is billions of years old then He made it billions of years ago.

We know when it was made that is not an issue. The false dating using the naturalonlydunnit philosophy is the issue

You can interpret the bible as you see fit.

And creation is part of that. You can't get a hammer and bang that off of Scripture.

People who interpret it in the same way that you do will think that you are right. Those that don't know that you are wrong.

And the ones thinking I am wrong have to admit they do not know and that their conclusion was based on an unsupportable belief that the natureonly is sufficient to tell us about creation

 

[Aaron112]

The best wine was created instantly from water.

It was better than any other ever. And it did not need to be aged.

 

[dlamberth]

Says who? Are angels created? Does man have a spirit? Can the world not be affected as needed by God anytime?

Angels are spiritual.
Our soul is spirit
God can affect the physical only if one believes God to be like a Greek/Roman pagan God who sit apart from Creation up in a cloud somewhere dishing out lightening bolts and judgments to those that do not meet their demands.

If you are not a Christian, then of course who you pray to in not the God of the bible.

That would be true.

There is no deception except inside the minds and schemes of natural only dunnit it modern science devotees.

There is a deception of age and history to those who experience God's Creation as Created by God devotees.

 

[Aaron112]

• "In Christian theology, demons are believed to be aware of Jesus’ power and '
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• are terrified of the eternal torture they will endure for their rebellion against God (Mark 5:6-7, quoted in the r/Christianity thread)."

 

[Bradskii]

Yes, as would be the case in the OP

We know when it was made that is not an issue. The false dating using the naturalonlydunnit philosophy is the issue

And creation is part of that. You can't get a hammer and bang that off of Scripture.

And the ones thinking I am wrong have to admit they do not know and that their conclusion was based on an unsupportable belief that the natureonly is sufficient to tell us about creation

I like a good discussion. It's why I joined the forum. But you repeating exactly the same thing post after post is the very opposite of a discussion. So I'll leave you to it. There's a couple of people around who will agree with you so you'll have someone to talk to.

Hasta la vista.