Geocentric or Heliocentric (what shape is the earth) ?

[Phil G]

Yes I'm stating the truth.

No, you’re spreading lies.

 

[Zceptre]

Just because the abbreviation NASA uses the same letters as a Hebrew word written using English, not Hebrew, letters, that does not mean that the Hebrew word applies to the organisation known as N.A.S.A. "EL" can stand for "English learner", and "El" in Hebrew means "God", but we don't say that everyone who learns English is a god, do we?

While most people think the world is filled with coincidences, I'm not one of them.

If I had not found evidence of deception I would never have found the "coincidence" in question.

If people want to believe everything those people tell them, they can do that.

I don't.

 

[Apple Sky]

If Satan wants to stop anything to be known it’s the salvation of Jesus.

Yes - And what better way to do it.

Heliosorcery (2022) | Exposing the Occult Origins of Heliocentrism | Full Documentary (Mirror) - Rumble

 

[Phil G]

Yes - And what better way to do it.

Heliosorcery (2022) | Exposing the Occult Origins of Heliocentrism | Full Documentary (Mirror) - Rumble

No, eyewitness testimony from people who have seen and testify to the Lord’s salvation is the better way. And they say and have photographed the globe earth. That trumps any video you can show.

 

[Apple Sky]

No, eyewitness testimony from people who have seen and testify to the Lord’s salvation is the better way. And they say and have photographed the globe earth. That trumps any video you can show.

Know the truth and set yourselves free.

King James Bible
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

 

[Lost4words]

All's I know is the earth ain't no spinning globe as the Bible tells us so ............... OK the shape of the earth has nothing to do with salvation but I reckon there are many who are being greatly deceived. Next you'll all be believing in aliens LOLz's.

Aliens do exist...you would agree if you met my friends in laws!

 

[Phil G]

Know the truth and set yourselves free.

King James Bible
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

The truth about Jesus, yes! Thats what that verse is about, not flat earth or anything else. That’s the truth Satan will do everything to try to stop.

Yet the Christian astronauts are free to talk about their faith in the salvation of Jesus, and you try to claim that Satan is less happy with the “truth” of the shape of the earth being known!

This shows that you have your priorities backward. The message that saves is the gospel of Jesus, and the astronauts speak of it and are free to speak of it. If Satan is trying to stop any message from the astronauts, that’s the one he would do everything he could to stop. Yet he can’t.

 

[Zceptre]

Aliens do exist...you would agree if you met my friends in laws!

Now that is funny. lol

Jaques Vallee did the work on aliens if people want answers there.

He concluded they are hostile, or spiritual origin, and are carrying out extensive evil plans against humanity.

He also became a Christian, as he was not one before his work began.

The Alien Resistance (is .org) website has many Christians who have a lot to say on the topic.

I have not had their experience, but experiences similar enough.

Chuck Missler also covers this topic to a light degree and his work has spread rapidly since his passing.

 

[d taylor]

Thank you for this info, I thought something must be wrong when the astronaut on the video said they were 250 miles high.

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The iss deception is not just one contraption. What is seen moving over he earth (that i have photographed) is some kind of flying machine that may be piloted by people or may not. But when you see photos taken of people in space suits,etc.. from up high, more than likely these are coming from a high altitude balloon.

Look at the first 1:00 minute of this video do you really think this contraption they are in, is moving 17,000 miles per hour, they are in a balloon.

 

[Apple Sky]

If Satan is trying to stop any message from the astronauts, that’s the one he would do everything he could to stop.

Why would he the globe was Satan's agenda all along.

 

[Phil G]

Why would he the globe was Satan's agenda all along.

Oh really??? That must be news to God! That Satan isn’t interested in stopping people being saved through His Son Jesus, only to stop them believing the earth is flat! So all those verses about Jesus are really about the earth’s shape?

Sometimes I wonder at whether you understand the gospel at all!

 

[d taylor]

That's some serious investigative work there on the Moon. The gentleman that seen the stars through its shaded portion is in my archives. (I hope lol - been awhile) Maybe in the future can find it or his work online again. He has a name in the space and is known.


My personal favorite supporting information is from the Bible itself.

This stuff is my real joy in it all.

Psalm 102:25
Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Isaiah 48:13
Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Zechariah 12:1
The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Micah 6:2
Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth: for the LORD hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel.

Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Isaiah 51:13
And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?

Proverbs 8:29
When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:


This is where I get my satisfaction and lay back in my chair with a smile on my face and say to myself...

"Yep... Lord Jesus knows what He is doing."

And people call faith in God blind faith. They have no idea the information He would give them if they seek. lol (Matthew 7:7)

People have a right to believe anything they like, but this isn't even all of the scripture concerning it.

Up is up, and down is down, and when you know you are on solid ground, pun intended... It just feels good.

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Here is another photo example of light being emitted from the moon's surface impressions

 

[Apple Sky]

Oh really??? That must be news to God! That Satan isn’t interested in stopping people being saved through His Son Jesus, only to stop them believing the earth is flat! So all those verses about Jesus are really about the earth’s shape?

I didn't say this did I ?

 

[Phil G]

I didn't say this did I ?

Yes you did. My point was in the context of the Gospel message “If Satan is trying to stop any message from the astronauts, that’s the one he would do everything he could to stop.”

Your answer was

Why would he the globe was Satan's agenda all along.

In other words why would Satan want to try to stop the message of the Gospel, the globe is his agenda.

If this is true, then Satan has no problem with the astronauts preaching the Gospel, he’s only interested in getting them to lie about the globe earth, because that’s his agenda according to you.

And you also misrepresent Jesus’ words about Him setting you free by linking those words to flat earth. Jesus was only speaking about Himself, not about anything else. He is the truth He was talking about. So you’ve changed the whole essence of Jesus’ message to suit yourself.

 

[Strong in Him]

While most people think the world is filled with coincidences, I'm not one of them.

I don't generally believe in coincidences, but what's the alternative?

For this NOT to be a coincidence, Scientists, in the 1950's would have had to have said, "we want to set up an agency to deceive people. What can we call this? I know, let's use the OT Hebrew word nasa (I can't find this in modern Hebrew). No one will know and the advantage is that we can pretend that it stands for The National Aeronautics and Space Administration." (Incidentally, these are capital letters and there are no capital letters in Hebrew.)

How likely is it that that is what happened?
How likely is it that scientists would go against all their training and plan to deceive people?
Do you have any evidence that the scientists who set this up even knew Hebrew?

So, it's a coincidence.

 

[Apple Sky]

I don't generally believe in coincidences, but what's the alternative?

For this NOT to be a coincidence, Scientists, in the 1950's would have had to have said, "we want to set up an agency to deceive people. What can we call this? I know, let's use the OT Hebrew word nasa (I can't find this in modern Hebrew). No one will know and the advantage is that we can pretend that it stands for The National Aeronautics and Space Administration." (Incidentally, these are capital letters and there are no capital letters in Hebrew.)

How likely is it that that is what happened?
How likely is it that scientists would go against all their training and plan to deceive people?
Do you have any evidence that the scientists who set this up even knew Hebrew?

So, it's a coincidence.

 

[Phil G]

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[Strong in Him]

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Did you even read what I said?

 

[Zceptre]

I don't generally believe in coincidences, but what's the alternative?

For this NOT to be a coincidence, Scientists, in the 1950's would have had to have said, "we want to set up an agency to deceive people. What can we call this? I know, let's use the OT Hebrew word nasa (I can't find this in modern Hebrew). No one will know and the advantage is that we can pretend that it stands for The National Aeronautics and Space Administration." (Incidentally, these are capital letters and there are no capital letters in Hebrew.)

How likely is it that that is what happened?
How likely is it that scientists would go against all their training and plan to deceive people?
Do you have any evidence that the scientists who set this up even knew Hebrew?

So, it's a coincidence.

I'm sorry to say things are not that simple in a world full of evil with a spiritual was against God going on.

You may believe what you want, but it will absolutely not make it so.

Gullibility is what the enemy counts on.

These "coincidences" are a dime a dozen.

The people that think it a coincidence also believe these people are not telling lies.

They have not studied the situation enough to obtain all the necessary details.

The deception is extreme and they are absolutely against God and for Satan.

It is a coincidence to those who will believe without checking up on people.

I check.

You can believe.

I only have "faith" in Jesus Christ.

Not "Nasa."

 

[Strong in Him]

I'm sorry to say things are not that simple in a world full of evil with a spiritual was against God going on.

In this particular instance it is simple.
Either the guys who set up/founded nasa did so with full knowledge that a) they were planning to deceive people and that nasa is Hebrew for "deceive" (apparently). Or b) they didn't.

You may believe what you want, but it will absolutely not make it so.

Ditto.
Nothing can change the fact about the shape of the earth.

Gullibility is what the enemy counts on.

The enemy couldn't care less what shape the earth is - only that we discuss it and not God.

The deception is extreme and they are absolutely against God and for Satan.

Are you saying that any Christian who believes this, or who works for NASA, is against God and for Satan?

I only have "faith" in Jesus Christ.

I have faith in Jesus Christ - I don't know why you felt the need to put it in inverted commas.

Not "Nasa."

It's not a matter of either/or. We can trust what the experts tell us as well as trusting in Jesus.