Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessings]

Quote a verse in the Bible saying God asks Gentiles or Christians to obey the Old testament law.

If you have none, you should refrain from such misleading claims.

Sure, here's a few. . .

Mat 4:4 But He (Jesus) answered and said, “It is written, (quoting from the OT) ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

Not only does Jesus not want us to break the least of these commandments, He doesn't even want us to have thoughts that lead to the action of doing so as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement, unless we have a change of heart and repent, which means a change in direction.

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

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27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Where are the least of these commandments Jesus told us not to break? Right from the Ten Commandments​

The Ten Commandments​

20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

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Because in doing so, breaking the least of these, one will be least in heaven and following a path to a ditch.

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

Those who are grafted into Christ there is no Jew or Gentile just those with faith.

God wants to bless and sanctify everyone, not just Jews. Without His blessing or sanctification, it is not a good spot to be in Isa 66:17 why the invitation is for everyone, all are called few are chosen because few respond sadly.

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Man was made in the image of God before the first Sabbath to be followers of Him, God hallowed and rested on the seventh day at Creation, the Sabbath was made for man to rest with God to receive His sanctification and His blessing, because we cannot sanctify our bless ourselves, we need God for everything.

Thus saith the Lord

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Eze 20:12
12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

I pray this helps.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Quote a verse in the Bible saying God asks Gentiles or Christians to obey the Old testament law.

If you have none, you should refrain from such misleading claims.

Certainly! Here's a more integrated and convincing narrative emphasizing that the commandments of God were given for both Jews and Gentiles, drawing on verses from both the Old and New Testaments to support this understanding:

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From the beginning, God’s commandments were given not just for the children of Israel, but for all nations. In the Old Testament, we see God's clear intention that His law would apply equally to both Jews and Gentiles. In Leviticus 24:22, God declares, "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God." This verse establishes that the law is not exclusive to Israel, but applies equally to both native Israelites and foreigners living among them, showing that God’s commandments are universal.


Isaiah further emphasizes this inclusion when he speaks of the "sons of the stranger" who choose to follow the Lord. In Isaiah 56:6-7, God promises that those who "join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD" will be welcomed into His presence, saying, "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." This declaration shows that Gentiles, too, are invited to worship God and keep His commandments, illustrating that God's covenant is not limited to the Jewish people, but is open to all who desire to follow Him.


The prophet Zechariah echoes this vision of inclusion, prophesying a time when people from all nations will seek to worship the God of Israel. Zechariah 8:23 declares, "In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you." Here, the Gentiles will recognize that God’s favor is upon Israel and will desire to follow the same God, demonstrating that God’s commandments are meant for the entire world, not just one nation.


This universal call is reinforced in the New Testament, where Jesus Himself commissioned His disciples to go and teach all nations, not just the Jews. In Matthew 28:19-20, He commands, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you." Here, Christ’s commandments are given to be observed by all nations, Jew and Gentile alike. This Great Commission shows that the commandments of Christ are not for a select group, but for everyone who desires to follow Him.


The Apostle John also supports this universal scope of God’s commandments. In Revelation 22:17, he writes, "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." This invitation, extended to "whosoever will," highlights that salvation and the commandments of God are for all people, regardless of their ethnic background.

From the Old Testament through the New Testament, the message is clear: God’s commandments were not given solely for the Jewish people but are intended for all nations. Whether in the law of Israel, the prophetic visions of the Old Testament, or the words of Jesus Himself, it is evident that the commandments of God are for both Jews and Gentiles alike. Jesus’ command to teach all nations, and the prophets’ call for the inclusion of Gentiles in God’s worship, all show that the divine will is for all people to live according to His laws and commandments. The boundary between Jew and Gentile, once a dividing wall, has been broken down in Christ, and all are invited to partake in the blessings and responsibilities of following God’s commandments.

there are more verses if you are not convinced.

Peace

 

[Minister Monardo]

Spiritual work when done in the Spirit is not neglecting our physical needs.

I did not say neglect, I said without regard for, thus you are not with me.
The issue is trust: "take no thought". Living worry free is a spiritual rest, not physical.
Matthew 6:
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knows that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

 

[Leaf473]

I did not say neglect, I said without regard for, thus you are not with me, or the Lord in this matter.
The issue is trust: "take no thought". Living worry free is a spiritual rest, not physical.
Matthew 6:
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knows that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

That's one of my favorite passages, and it addresses the idea of working and resting

 

[HIM]

I did not say neglect, I said without regard for, thus you are not with me, or the Lord in this matter.

Let’s refrain from such comments please

 

[Minister Monardo]

Before we continue, Are you with me so far?

I was only responding to your question. I meant no offense.
Let's refrain from misquoting and correcting the misquote.
Was I wrong to show what I feel is the reason for disagreement?
Can two walk, or talk together unless they agree?
No, but we can be civil. I will edit the comment though in response, thanks.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Verse 19 gives the context to verse 17-18 which explains by Jesus in clear words and clear examples, the law He is referring to.

I don’t think there’s a point in discussing the same thing again. I’m ok with leaving it as agree to disagree.

The commandments He mentioned afterwards also provides context which we’ve already established that He quoted 2 of the 10 commandments then 2 other commandments that were NOT part of the 10 commandments then He quoted another of the 10 commandments and another commandment that was not part of the 10 commandments. He quoted 6 commandments, 3 from the 10 commandments and 3 that were NOT from the 10 commandments. Obviously He was NOT only referring to the 10 commandments, He was referring to the law like He said in verses 17-18.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The commandments He mentioned afterwards also provides context which we’ve already established that He quoted 2 of the 10 commandments then 2 other commandments that were NOT part of the 10 commandments then He quoted another of the 10 commandments and another commandment that was not part of the 10 commandments. He quoted 6 commandments, 3 from the 10 commandments and 3 that were NOT from the 10 commandments. Obviously He was NOT only referring to the 10 commandments, He was referring to the law like He said in verses 17-18.

Agreed, they are other laws we are to keep, but Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments first so we know not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments. Jesus shows how far and wide the reach is of His holy and eternal law, His perfect law written personally by our perfect Savior .

 

[BNR32FAN]

If one was only worshipping God, the very first commandment, would not be doing any of those things. Jesus demonstrated how far and wide the Ten Commandments are God's perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7

Mat 5:18 you can't make this connect to the law of Moses/ book of the law because a jot and tittle did pass and not all is fulfilled. The Ten Commandments, the words of the covenant, Exo 34:28 God said would not be altered Psa 89:34 they are a standalone unit- God added no more Deut 5:22 as no man can edit what God personally wrote. Exo 31:18 hence why Jesus first quoted directly from the Ten so we know the law He was referring to. He went on to say in addition to quoting some of the laws of Moses but connecting them with the Ten Commandments as well demonstrating its reach.

But you have said yourself that the commandments concerning the New Moon feasts have in fact ended. So obviously if you’ve already admitted that laws have passed away then you should conclude that whatever Jesus meant by all being fulfilled must’ve already happened.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But you have said yourself that the commandments concerning the New Moon feasts have in fact ended. So obviously if you’ve already admitted that laws have passed away then you should conclude that whatever Jesus meant by all being fulfilled must’ve already happened.

Yes, some laws has passed , on what we are told passed. The sacrificial system, annual feast days that some were sabbath(s) that that always pointed forward to Jesus. Not the Ten Commandments.

The commandments that are contained in ordinances is what was nailed to the Cross, not the Ten Commandments as Jesus taught breaking the least of them affects our status in heaven i.e. Judgement, not until the Cross as we were not even born then.

Eph 2:1515 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
Heb 9: 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various [b]washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
Col 2:14 (which is the context to Col 2:16-17) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul is referring to what was handwritten in the book by Moses placed outside the ark, as a witness against for breaking what was inside the Ten Commandments which includes the Sabbath commandment.

Its obvious Paul is referring to the laws what Moses handwrote in a book, that was contrary and against and contained the ordinances, so not any of the Ten Commandments- that God wrote with His finger and God spoke that is holy and blessed that no man can reverse Num 23:20 and is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you

Paul's writings can be tricky, and needs to be reconciled to Jesus, because Jesus said I am the way, follow Me. If we abide in Him, we will follow His footsteps, He kept all of the commandments, including the Sabbath, told us not to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven i.e. Judgement (Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:10-12 Mat 7:23) John 15:10 Luke 4:16-17 1 John 2:5-6

 

[BNR32FAN]

Agreed, they are other laws we are to keep, but Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments first so we know not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments. Jesus shows how far and wide the reach is of His holy and eternal law, His perfect law written personally by our perfect Savior .

Did the apostles follow Jesus’ last instructions that He gave them in Matthew 28 right before He ascended into heaven?

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Did they follow these instructions? If so where did they teach anyone to observe the Sabbath?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes, some laws has passed , on what we are told passed. The sacrificial system, annual feast days that some were sabbath(s) that that always pointed forward to Jesus. Not the Tem Commandments.

All of the commandments- contained in ordinances is what was nailed to the Cross, not the Ten Commandments as Jesus taught breaking the least of them affects our status in heaven i.e. Judgement, not until the Cross as we were not even born then.

Eph 2:1515 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
Heb 9: 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various [b]washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
Col 2:14 (which is the context to Col 2:16-17) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul is referring to what was handwritten in the book by Moses placed outside the ark, as a witness against for breaking what was inside the Ten Commandments which includes the Sabbath commandment.

Its obvious Paul is referring to the laws what Moses handwrote in a book, that was contrary and against and contained the ordinances, so not any of the Ten Commandments- that God wrote with His finger and God spoke that is holy and blessed that no man can reverse Num 23:20 and is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you

Paul's writings can be tricky, and needs to be reconciled to Jesus, because Jesus said I am the way, follow Me. If we abide in Him, we will follow His footsteps, He kept all of the commandments, including the Sabbath, told us not to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven i.e. Judgement (Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:10-12 Mat 7:23) John 15:10 Luke 4:16-17 1 John 2:5-6

No that argument doesn’t work because Deuteronomy 5 refers to the 10 commandments as statutes and ordinances.

“Then Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I am speaking today in your hearing, that you may learn them and observe them carefully. The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today. The Lord spoke to you face to face at the mountain from the midst of the fire, while I was standing between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up the mountain. He said, ‘I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. ‘You shall have no other gods before Me. ‘You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. ‘You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. ‘Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day. ‘Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, that your days may be prolonged and that it may go well with you on the land which the Lord your God gives you. ‘You shall not murder. ‘You shall not commit adultery. ‘You shall not steal. ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field or his male servant or his female servant, his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.’ “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud and of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me. And when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The terms statutes, ordinances, and commandments are used interchangeably in the Old Testament. As you can see in the passage above you can see that Moses refers to the 10 commandments as statutes and ordinances and in numerous other passages that God says that He commanded them to observe the New Moon feasts and several other laws that were not part of the 10 commandments. So that argument about statutes, ordinances, and commandments being different doesn’t work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Did the apostles follow Jesus’ last instructions that He gave them in Matthew 28 right before He ascended into heaven?

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Did they follow these instructions? If so where did they teach anyone to observe the Sabbath?

The apostles observed every Sabbath just as Jesus commanded them to observe everything He commanded, The Sabbath is the only day God gave a name and number. God said the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exo 20:10 who is above God to change anything He wrote and He spoke. No one. Why its still called the Sabbath all throughout the bible and the fact its still called it in the NT is proof it never went anywhere for God's people.

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A really good example of the apostles teaching the gentiles is when they begged for more gospel preaching on the next Sabbath, instead of the apostles correcting them and saying, church is now day 1.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Did they do that? No, almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God on the Sabbath

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

And the gentiles were also keeping every Sabbath with the Jews along with the apostles

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

It was noted the apostles kept every Sabbath in several places, nothing to indicate they did not follow in the footsteps of Jesus Christ who also kept the Sabbath in the same manner Luke 4:16-17

If we abide in Him we will also keep His commandments
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Following in His footsteps 1 John 2: 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Thats what a Christian means, to be a follower of Christ- He will only lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14

Do you really want to go through this all again? We have discussed for a few years now. Only a thus saith the Lord that we don't have to keep the Sabbath will convince me. So far no has produced this scripture. I'm not sure if you're trying to convince me or yourself. The Sabbath is a pillar of Truth- God started it at Creation when everything was according to God's perfect plan. God kept, Jesus kept, His faithful followers kept, His apostles kept, all of His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 and I know I can't sanctify or bless myself and without His blessing or sanctification we really are nothing. God blessed, man simply cannot reverse Num 23:20 and sad they try so hard.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No that argument doesn’t work because Deuteronomy 5 refers to the 10 commandments as statutes and ordinances.

“Then Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I am speaking today in your hearing, that you may learn them and observe them carefully. The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today. The Lord spoke to you face to face at the mountain from the midst of the fire, while I was standing between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up the mountain. He said, ‘I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. ‘You shall have no other gods before Me. ‘You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. ‘You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. ‘Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day. ‘Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, that your days may be prolonged and that it may go well with you on the land which the Lord your God gives you. ‘You shall not murder. ‘You shall not commit adultery. ‘You shall not steal. ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field or his male servant or his female servant, his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.’ “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud and of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me. And when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The terms statutes, ordinances, and commandments are used interchangeably in the Old Testament. As you can see in the passage above you can see that Moses refers to the 10 commandments as statutes and ordinances and in numerous other passages that God says that He commanded them to observe the New Moon feasts and several other laws that were not part of the 10 commandments. So that argument about statutes, ordinances, and commandments being different doesn’t work.

They are ordinances are different from the commandments as shown ...

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

Its the context as well, there are no food, drink offerings, new moons, sabbath(s) etc in the Ten Commandments the Ten Commandments were not handwritten, they were written by the finger of God. The weekly Sabath, is "the" Sabbath" that is holy and blessed by God, not the definition of contrary and against. Hebrews 9:10-15 and Hebrews 10:1-22 show which shadow laws its pointing to- animal sacrifices pointing to Christ. Not any of the Ten Commandments which is what s sin when breaking. Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30

How does something God blessed and made holy become contrary and against? Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20, when did He do that on the Sabbath?

God said:

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Verse 15 tells us which set of commandments.

God identified His law as plainly as He could possibly do. God wrote it with His own finger on stone Exo 31:18 He spoke it with His own voice Exo 20:1 He numbered them by design Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 He said no more was added to His Ten Commandments Deut 5:22 and then right in this unit of Ten that He wrote and He spoke He collectively called them "My commandments" and said if you love Me, keep them Exo 20:6. I don't think there was much more God could have done to express His will for mankind Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10. Is there someone greater than God? I am not aware of anyone else who is greater than God and God put His signature/seal right in the Sabbath commandment- showing His name ( God) Title (Creator) and Territory (Heaven and Earth) Exo 20:11

God said Remember- Man says forget. Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath man says get rid of it.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

We will see how it all plays out soon enough.

 

[Leaf473]

They are ordinances are different from the commandments as shown clearly...

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

How does something God blessed and made holy become contrary and against? Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20, when did He do that on the Sabbath?

God said:

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Verse 15 tells us which set of commandments.

God identified His law as plainly as He could possibly do. God wrote it with His own finger on stone Exo 31:18 He spoke it with His own voice Exo 20:1 He numbered them by design Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 He said no more was added to His Ten Commandments Deut 5:22 and then right in this unit of Ten that He wrote and He spoke He collectively called them "My commandments" and said if you love Me, keep them. I don't think there was much more God could have done to express His will for mankind Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10. Is there someone greater than God? I am not aware of anyone else who is greater than God and God put His signature/seal right in the Sabbath commandment- showing His name ( God) Title (Creator) and Territory (Heaven and Earth) Exo 20:11

God said Remember- Man says forget. Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath man says get rid of it.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

We will see how it all plays out soon enough.

I'm trying to follow what you're saying here, SB

Is this the idea that you're putting forward?

That we don't have to keep the statutes, ordinances, or laws in the Old Testament

But we do have to keep the Ten Commandments, and at least some of the other commandments in the Old Testament?

 

[Bob S]

Certainly! Here's a more integrated and convincing narrative emphasizing that the commandments of God were given for both Jews and Gentiles, drawing on verses from both the Old and New Testaments to support this understanding:

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From the beginning, God’s commandments were given not just for the children of Israel, but for all nations. In the Old Testament, we see God's clear intention that His law would apply equally to both Jews and Gentiles. In Leviticus 24:22, God declares, "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God." This verse establishes that the law is not exclusive to Israel, but applies equally to both native Israelites and foreigners living among them, showing that God’s commandments are universal.


Isaiah further emphasizes this inclusion when he speaks of the "sons of the stranger" who choose to follow the Lord. In Isaiah 56:6-7, God promises that those who "join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD" will be welcomed into His presence, saying, "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." This declaration shows that Gentiles, too, are invited to worship God and keep His commandments, illustrating that God's covenant is not limited to the Jewish people, but is open to all who desire to follow Him.


The prophet Zechariah echoes this vision of inclusion, prophesying a time when people from all nations will seek to worship the God of Israel. Zechariah 8:23 declares, "In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you." Here, the Gentiles will recognize that God’s favor is upon Israel and will desire to follow the same God, demonstrating that God’s commandments are meant for the entire world, not just one nation.


This universal call is reinforced in the New Testament, where Jesus Himself commissioned His disciples to go and teach all nations, not just the Jews. In Matthew 28:19-20, He commands, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you." Here, Christ’s commandments are given to be observed by all nations, Jew and Gentile alike. This Great Commission shows that the commandments of Christ are not for a select group, but for everyone who desires to follow Him.


The Apostle John also supports this universal scope of God’s commandments. In Revelation 22:17, he writes, "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." This invitation, extended to "whosoever will," highlights that salvation and the commandments of God are for all people, regardless of their ethnic background.

From the Old Testament through the New Testament, the message is clear: God’s commandments were not given solely for the Jewish people but are intended for all nations. Whether in the law of Israel, the prophetic visions of the Old Testament, or the words of Jesus Himself, it is evident that the commandments of God are for both Jews and Gentiles alike. Jesus’ command to teach all nations, and the prophets’ call for the inclusion of Gentiles in God’s worship, all show that the divine will is for all people to live according to His laws and commandments. The boundary between Jew and Gentile, once a dividing wall, has been broken down in Christ, and all are invited to partake in the blessings and responsibilities of following God’s commandments.

there are more verses if you are not convinced.

Peace

Everyone of your paragraphs provide an invitation to all nations or individuals. Israel was to welcome Gentiles into their ranks. The fact is that God has never demanded that Gentiles observe the laws He set forth for Israel. Besides all mankind is now subject to the New and better Covenant.

Jesus was born under the old covenant Law, and His mission was not to proselytize Gentiles. One of Jesus' missions was to fulfil the law, Torah, and the prophesies that foretold of His coming. He brought to an end the prophesies concerning His coming, so the word fulfil has to mean "bring to an end". His mission also was to bring the Law to an end. Matt 5:17

Jesus gave man the mission to spread the Gospel to all the World. Does the Gospel include the rituals of the old covenant? If it does, we certainly should see remnants of the ritual Sabbath law. What we do see are letters to the Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians and Romans with sentences like Gal 3:19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

2Cor3:7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 11 And if what was transitory (temporary) came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Eph214 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, :

Rom3:27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

So, you see my friend in Christ we have an excellent case for not having to observe the rituals of an expired covenant. Jesus invites us to come to Him for our rest. It is an invitation not a command. The greatest thing Jeus ever commanded is for us to love others as He loves us. 1JN3 tells us that we belong to the truth if we believe and love others as Jesus taught,

 

[Leaf473]

They are ordinances are different from the commandments as shown ...

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

Its the context as well, there are no food, drink offerings, new moons, sabbath(s) etc in the Ten Commandments the Ten Commandments were not handwritten, they were written by the finger of God. The weekly Sabath, is "the" Sabbath" that is holy and blessed by God, not the definition of contrary and against. Hebrews 9:10-15 and Hebrews 10:1-22 show which shadow laws its pointing to- animal sacrifices pointing to Christ. Not any of the Ten Commandments which is what s sin when breaking. Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30

How does something God blessed and made holy become contrary and against? Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20, when did He do that on the Sabbath?

God said:

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Verse 15 tells us which set of commandments.

God identified His law as plainly as He could possibly do. God wrote it with His own finger on stone Exo 31:18 He spoke it with His own voice Exo 20:1 He numbered them by design Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 He said no more was added to His Ten Commandments Deut 5:22 and then right in this unit of Ten that He wrote and He spoke He collectively called them "My commandments" and said if you love Me, keep them Exo 20:6. I don't think there was much more God could have done to express His will for mankind Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10. Is there someone greater than God? I am not aware of anyone else who is greater than God and God put His signature/seal right in the Sabbath commandment- showing His name ( God) Title (Creator) and Territory (Heaven and Earth) Exo 20:11

God said Remember- Man says forget. Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath man says get rid of it.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

We will see how it all plays out soon enough.

Here, giving your tithe to the Levite, the stranger, etc is also called "your commandments"

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 26:12-13 - New American Standard Bible

“When you have finished paying all the tithe of your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan, and to the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied. And you shall say before the LORD your God, ‘I have...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Leaf473]

Here, animal sacrifices are called the law of the Lord

Trying to make a difference between the law of the Lord and the law of Moses doesn't hold up, it looks to me

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 2:24 - New American Standard Bible

and to offer a sacrifice according to what has been stated in the Law of the Lord: “A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG DOVES.”

www.biblegateway.com

 

[trophy33]

Sure, here's a few. . .

Mat 4:4 But He (Jesus) answered and said, “It is written, (quoting from the OT) ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

Not only does Jesus not want us to break the least of these commandments, He doesn't even want us to have thoughts that lead to the action of doing so as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement, unless we have a change of heart and repent, which means a change in direction.

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

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27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Where are the least of these commandments Jesus told us not to break? Right from the Ten Commandments​

The Ten Commandments​

20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

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Because in doing so, breaking the least of these, one will be least in heaven and following a path to a ditch.

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

Those who are grafted into Christ there is no Jew or Gentile just those with faith.

God wants to bless and sanctify everyone, not just Jews. Without His blessing or sanctification, it is not a good spot to be in Isa 66:17 why the invitation is for everyone, all are called few are chosen because few respond sadly.

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Man was made in the image of God before the first Sabbath to be followers of Him, God hallowed and rested on the seventh day at Creation, the Sabbath was made for man to rest with God to receive His sanctification and His blessing, because we cannot sanctify our bless ourselves, we need God for everything.

Thus saith the Lord

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Eze 20:12
12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

I pray this helps.

Text flooding.

Chose one verse you believe is saying that we (Christians) are told to keep the Mosaic Law Sabbath rest. Keep it simple and short.

 

[trophy33]

Certainly! Here's a more integrated and convincing narrative emphasizing that the commandments of God were given for both Jews and Gentiles, drawing on verses from both the Old and New Testaments to support this understanding:

Instead of preaching, select one verse you believe is saying that we (Christians) are told to keep the Mosaic Law Sabbath rest. Keep it simple and short. Refrain from your personal explanations and commentaries, just give me one verse.