the three woes

[Douggg]

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, the last three trumpets of the seven trumpets are tied to the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth.
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The first two woes are revealed what they will be in Revelation 9.
fifth angel sounds his trumpet, first woe - the flesh tormenting locust lasting 5 months.

sixth angel sounds his trumpet, second woe - a third of mankind killed by huge armies of 200,000,000 as they march toward Armageddon.
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The third woe is revealed what it will be in Revelation 12:12-14. Which Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12 are the only two places in the bible where the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" appears.

seventh angel sounds his trumpet, third woe - Satan's wrath knowing his time is short - a time, times, half time.
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The three woes take place within the time/times/half time that Satan will have left when he and his angels are cast down to earth
from the second heaven, in Revelation 12:7-9.

Textually, in Revelation 9, the fifth angel sounds, then the sixth angel sounds, then in Revelation 11:15 the seventh angel sounds, revealing what the third woe will be in Revelation 12:12-14.

On the time line, the third woe begins, then the first woe takes place, then the second woe takes place, then the third woe ends when Jesus returns and Satan imprisoned. (see my chart below)


Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.

 

[tailgator]

Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

It's easy as ,1,2,3.

The third woe is not the time of Satan wrath ,it's the time of God's wrath

Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, the last three trumpets of the seven trumpets are tied to the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth.
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The first two woes are revealed what they will be in Revelation 9.
fifth angel sounds his trumpet, first woe - the flesh tormenting locust lasting 5 months.

sixth angel sounds his trumpet, second woe - a third of mankind killed by huge armies of 200,000,000 as they march toward Armageddon.
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The third woe is revealed what it will be in Revelation 12:12-14. Which Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12 are the only two places in the bible where the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" appears.

seventh angel sounds his trumpet, third woe - Satan's wrath knowing his time is short - a time, times, half time.
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The three woes take place within the time/times/half time that Satan will have left when he and his angels are cast down to earth
from the second heaven, in Revelation 12:7-9.

Textually, in Revelation 9, the fifth angel sounds, then the sixth angel sounds, then in Revelation 11:15 the seventh angel sounds, revealing what the third woe will be in Revelation 12:12-14.

On the time line, the third woe begins, then the first woe takes place, then the second woe takes place, then the third woe ends when Jesus returns and Satan imprisoned. (see my chart below)


Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.



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Total nonsense. You have the third woe beginning before the first woe. LOL. This can't be taken seriously.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

As can be clearly seen here, the third woe occurs after the second woe is past. Not before the first and second woe as you falsely claim.

You correctly say that the seventh trumpet reveals what the third woe will be, but then you somehow skip to Revelation 12:12-14 instead of seeing the description of the seventh trumpet/third woe in Revelation 11:15-18. That is where the third woe is revealed, not Revelation 12:12-14.

The seventh trumpet brings on the third woe and that results in God's wrath having come, the destruction of those who destroy the earth and the judgment of the dead.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

So, the reason that the third woe is considered to be a woe because of God's wrath and judgment against unbelievers occurring at that time.

 

[Douggg]

Total nonsense. You have the third woe beginning before the first woe

Did you read the post ? The third woe ends after the first and second woes take place ?

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

As can be clearly seen here, the third woe occurs after the second woe is past. Not before the first and second woe as you falsely claim.

You are misunderstanding Revelation 11:14. It is not saying that the second woe has been fulfilled on the timeline - before the seventh angel sounds.

The verse is John alerting the readers that it has been revealed in the text what the second woe will be. And that it would quickly be revealed what the third woe will be in the text. In Revelation 12:12.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[tailgator]

Did you read the post ? The third woe ends after the first and second woes take place ?


You are misunderstanding Revelation 11:14. It is not saying that the second woe has been fulfilled on the timeline - before the seventh angel sounds.

The verse is John alerting the readers that it has been revealed in the text what the second woe will be. And that it would quickly be revealed what the third woe will be in the text. In Revelation 12:12.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

The second word is past before the seventh Trump sounds.
The second woe is past before the third woe cometh

Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


Your kindergarten teacher would be ashamed of you for thinking 3 comes before 1 and 2.

 

[tailgator]

I like the number three.
It's a magic number.

 

[Douggg]

Your kindergarten teacher would be ashamed of you for thinking 3 comes before 1 and 2.

The third woe ends after the first and second woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

The third woe begins a time, times, half time before it ends. You are not taking into account the duration of the third woe.

 

[tailgator]

The third woe ends after the first and second woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

The third woe begins a time, times, half time before it ends. You are not taking into account the duration of the third woe.

Do you not have any reading comprehension ?

This verse plainly says after the second woe is past,the third comes.


Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


Second woe is past
Third woe cometh.


Not third woe cometh 3.5 years before second woe cometh.If you still struggle to understand this one simple verse.Go to your local elementary school and have a first grade class tell you what comes first.1 ,2 or 3.


Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

 

[Douggg]

This verse plainly says after the second woe is past,the third comes.

Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Second woe is past
Third woe cometh.

Again, John is not saying that the second woe has just been fulfilled. John is saying that the second woe had been revealed, what it will be.

What the second woe will be was revealed in Revelation 9.

There are nearly two chapters (Revelation 10 and part of Revelation 11) following Revelation 9, before John makes his statement in Revelation 11:14.

Not third woe cometh 3.5 years before second woe cometh.If you still struggle to understand this one simple verse.Go to your local elementary school and have a first grade class tell you what comes first.1 ,2 or 3.

I did not say that the third woe comes 3.5 years before the second woe comes. Here is what I wrote. The first and second woes take place within the time/times/half time of the third woe.

Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.

Also stop with the educational insults. I am a retired civil engineer.

 

[tailgator]

Again, John is not saying that the second woe has just been fulfilled. John is saying that the second woe had been revealed, what it will be.

What the second woe will be was revealed in Revelation 9.

There are nearly two chapters (Revelation 10 and part of Revelation 11) following Revelation 9, before John makes his statement in Revelation 11:14.


I did not say that the third woe comes 3.5 years before the second woe comes. Here is what I wrote. The first and second woes take place within the time/times/half time of the third woe.

Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.

Also stop with the educational insults. I am a retired civil engineer.

The third woe comes after the second woe is past.

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Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


The cloud has already ascended into heaven and the earthquake is already past before the third woe comes.

Time for hail to fall on Babylon.
Bragging about being a retired engineer does not mean you understand scripture.learn which numbers come 1st.

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[tailgator]

Again, John is not saying that the second woe has just been fulfilled. John is saying that the second woe had been revealed, what it will be.

What the second woe will be was revealed in Revelation 9.

There are nearly two chapters (Revelation 10 and part of Revelation 11) following Revelation 9, before John makes his statement in Revelation 11:14.


I did not say that the third woe comes 3.5 years before the second woe comes. Here is what I wrote. The first and second woes take place within the time/times/half time of the third woe.

Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.

Also stop with the educational insults. I am a retired civil engineer.

If you are a retired engineer,you should not have any problem understand the hail falls after the cloud ascends.
What goes up must come down.Its very simple.

 

[Douggg]

Bragging about being a retired engineer does not mean you understand scripture.learn which numbers come 1st.

I was not bragging. I was responding to your insults of my education as being someone who has a kindergarten level of education. Those sort of comments are totally unnecessary and are a violation of the rules of this forum.

Stick to the topic of the three woes.

 

[Douggg]

The text of Revelation reveals what the three woes will be in order.

woe 1 - Revelation 9:1-11
woe 2 - Revelation 9:13-21
woe 3 - Revelation 12:12-14

1 2 3

Next step, arrange the woes in relation to each other, taking into consideration of how long each woe lasts.

Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.

Next step, make a timeline chart that shows the woes on a timeline.

 

[tailgator]

I was not bragging. I was responding to your insults of my education as being someone who has a kindergarten level of education. Those sort of comments are totally unnecessary and are a violation of the rules of this forum.

Stick to the topic of the three woes.

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1 comes before 2
2 comes before 3

The word of God says 3 comes after 2 is past.

Revelation 11
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


Third woe does not last a time,times and a half.
Third woe is not from Satan.

The saints in Israel are persecuted and killed during the 1260 days the two witnesses are there.The 3rd woe begins after the two witnesses are gone up in the cloud.
3rd woe is wrath of God.


Revelation 11

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.





This is the wrath of God.Not the wrath of Satan.

 

[Douggg]

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

This is the wrath of God.Not the wrath of Satan.

Revelation 11:18 does not contain the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth"

Revelation 12:12 contains the phrase "woe to the inhabiter of the earth"

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Did you read the post ? The third woe ends after the first and second woes take place ?

I didn't say "Total nonsense" for nothing. I had to read your post in order to see that it was total nonsense. The third woe not only ends after the first and second woes take place, it begins after they take place. A very elementary level of reading is all that is required to see that the third woe follows after the second woe has completed.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

You are misunderstanding Revelation 11:14.

No, I'm not. I think you are the only person in the world who can't understand that when it says "the second woe is past; and behold, the third woe cometh quickly" that it means when the second woe is completed, the third woe comes quickly after that. There's nothing hard about this. This is just a case of extreme doctrinal bias on your part that is causing you to not understand a very simple and straightforward verse.

It is not saying that the second woe has been fulfilled on the timeline - before the seventh angel sounds.

LOL. Yes, it is. As everyone except you can easily see. I challenge you to find anyone out there who agrees with you on this. Good luck.

The verse is John alerting the readers that it has been revealed in the text what the second woe will be. And that it would quickly be revealed what the third woe will be in the text. In Revelation 12:12.

LOL. Revelation 11:14 is not saying that the third woe would be quickly revealed as to what it would be, it's saying that the third woe would quickly follow the end of the second woe. The third woe correlates directly with the seventh trumpet. We know that because Revelation 8:13 indicate that the three woes correlate with the last 3 trumpets (5th, 6th and 7th). What happens at the seventh trumpet is described in Revelation 11:15-18 since that describes events related to the seventh trumpet, not Revelation 12:12. Very simple.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Revelation 11:18 does not contain the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth"

So what? Do you believe the sounding of the fifth trumpet correlates with the first woe? Revelation 8:13 indicates that. Do you see the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in the description of the events relating to the fifth trumpet in Revelation 9:1-11? No, right? But, that text still relates to the first woe.

Same thing with the second woe. It correlates with the sixth trumpet and is described in Revelation 9:13-21. The phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" is not found within that text, but we can still discern that it relates to the second woe. Same thing with Revelation 11:15-18. It doesn't contain the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth", but it contains a description of what happens at the seventh trumpet and we know that events related to the seventh trumpet relate to the third woe (Revelation 8:13).

 

[tailgator]

Revelation 11:18 does not contain the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth"

Revelation 12:12 contains the phrase "woe to the inhabiter of the earth"

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Then revelation 12 is not the 3rd woe .
Revelation 11 is the 3rd woe.


Revelation 12 does not contain the word third


Here is the 3rd woe.It follows the 2nd woe.

Revelation 11

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Douggg]

What happens at the seventh trumpet is described in Revelation 11:15-18 since that describes events related to the seventh trumpet, not Revelation 12:12.

Revelation 11:15-18 does not contain the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

Revelation 12:12 contains the phrase "woe to the inhabiter of the earth"

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[tailgator]

Revelation 11:15-18 does not contain the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

Revelation 12:12 contains the phrase "woe to the inhabiter of the earth"

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 12 does not contain the word" third".
Therefore revelation 12 is not the third woe

Now it's settled.