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Flat Earthers: What They Believe and Why

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Rainbows are not just for the LGBT they are a beautiful reflection of God's own handy work, the firmament.

The glass dome: rainbows require water, light, and glass.​


Rainbow, Light Reflecting in the Firmament?​


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It's Amazing AMAZING to me that 27 Different Early Church Writers Affirm A Geocentric Cosmology in the first 500 years of The Church and even left Literal Quotes for Us but that's not enough evidence for The Church today ....

Ambrose,
Aphrahat,
Archeleus,
Arnobius,
Athanasius of Alexandria,
Athenagoras,
Augustine,
Basil:,
John Cassian,
John Chrysostom,

Clement of Rome,
Cyril of Jerusalem,
Ephraim the Syrian,
Eusebius,
Gregory Nanzianzus,
Gregory of Nyssa,
Gregory Thaumaturgos,
Hippolytus,
Irenaeus,
Jerome,
John Damascene,
Justin Martyr,
Mathetes,
Memoirs of Edessa,
Methodius,
Tertullian,



There are others like Origen, Martin Luther and John Calvin also that came a thousand years latter.

Relative to the fall of man and God's plan of salvation, of course the Earth is at the centre. The Earth is our frame of reference. It wouldn't make sense to refer to any other place as the focus of our salvation when the Earth is where it all plays out. That doesn't mean the physical universe orbits around the Earth though. The fact that the Earth is a globe which physically orbits the Sun, which itself physically orbits the centre mass of the Milky Way galaxy has no bearing on the salvation of mankind.
 
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The glass dome: rainbows require water, light, and glass.
No. It just requires one medium to refract light, which in the case of rainbows is millions of tiny water droplets. No glass required.
 
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No. It just requires one medium to refract light, which in the case of rainbows is millions of tiny water droplets. No glass required.

And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.Ezekiel 1:22

So now look at the rainbow with a fresh eye:

r/trueearthscience - Please note that the rainbow, as photographed, can appear up to a complete semi-circle.
 
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And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.Ezekiel 1:22

So now look at the rainbow with a fresh eye:

r/trueearthscience - Please note that the rainbow, as photographed, can appear up to a complete semi-circle.
How about from above.

What you might not realize is that the shape of a rainbow isn’t a “bow” or an “arc” at all, but rather a full circle. The only reason you see part of that full circle, under most conditions, is because the Earth itself (or other foreground features) are in the way, preventing you from seeing the entire rainbow at once.
 
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We also have sun dogs which are witness to God's firmament & I was fortunate to see one some years back.

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Sun dogs are commonly caused by the refraction and scattering of light from horizontally oriented plate-shaped hexagonal ice crystals either suspended in high and cold cirrus or cirrostratus clouds, or drifting in freezing moist air at low levels as diamond dust.The crystals act as prisms, bending the light rays passing through them with a minimum deflection of 22°. As the crystals gently float downwards with their large hexagonal faces almost horizontal, sunlight is refracted horizontally, and sun dogs are seen to the left and right of the Sun. Larger plates wobble more, and thus produce taller sun dogs.
 
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Sun dogs are commonly caused by the refraction and scattering of light from horizontally oriented plate-shaped hexagonal ice crystals either suspended in high and cold cirrus or cirrostratus clouds, or drifting in freezing moist air at low levels as diamond dust.The crystals act as prisms, bending the light rays passing through them with a minimum deflection of 22°. As the crystals gently float downwards with their large hexagonal faces almost horizontal, sunlight is refracted horizontally, and sun dogs are seen to the left and right of the Sun. Larger plates wobble more, and thus produce taller sun dogs.

So they are not caused by the reflection off the dome ? If you say so.
 
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What a deep conspiracy it would be.We can explain outer space by our science we see comets coming in and leaving asteroids coming near the earth all monitored by satellites.We have big telescopes out there.We have been to the moon and sent many probes to other planets.But you claim it a complete conspiracy we cannot see through and everything is a lie we are all being deceived on the highest level by everyone but a very tiny few are aware of it because they sense it and have reject all science.I must be one of the people trying to fool others and everyone else who thinks the world is not flat is also you have to believe this with your theory.Doesn't sound like a path I want to follow.
 
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They can program you into believing all stupid nonsense, what makes you believe it's true ?
Nobody programmed me into believing it. I hadn't heard of Sundogs before this thread, so I looked it up. I assume you looked up what you found about sundogs being caused by reflections or refractions of a glass dome, in your view.
 
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Nobody programmed me into believing it. I hadn't heard of Sundogs before this thread, so I looked it up. I assume you looked up what you found about sundogs being caused by reflections or refractions of a glass dome, in your view.

Yes I did & what I found is that they are reflection showing the firmament in all it's glory.
 
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Yes I did & what I found is that they are reflection showing the firmament in all it's glory.
So what makes your source more trustworthy than mine? The bible doesn't even mention sundogs, or reflections of the firmament, so you can't say that your source is biblical and mine not.
 
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So what makes your source more trustworthy than mine? The bible doesn't even mention sundogs, or reflections of the firmament, so you can't say that your source is biblical and mine not.

I don't understand, I never said that sun dogs were biblical :confused:
 
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So they are not caused by the reflection off the dome ? If you say so.
Why would sunlight reflecting off a dome look like that? Has anyone demonstrated the phenomenon using a model?
 
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Why would sunlight reflecting off a dome look like that? Has anyone demonstrated the phenomenon using a model?

Moondogs

are also —> caused by reflection of moonlight off a curved surface



The Firmament reflects light.



Moondogs and Sundogs are seen in the winter.

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