UFO's - Biblical?

[Diamond72]

Who are you to think that God doesn't also have laws to cause the law of gravity on other planet's if He sends humans there to inhabit it with similar earth environment?

Sean Carroll holds a Ph.D. in Astrophysics from Harvard University1. He also has a B.S. in Astronomy, Astrophysics, and Philosophy from Villanova University. Sean Carroll, a theoretical physicist and cosmologist, generally supports the idea that the laws of physics are consistent throughout the universe1. In his book "The Big Picture," Carroll discusses how science can provide a comprehensive description of the universe, suggesting that the same fundamental laws apply everywhere2. This perspective aligns with the principle of uniformity, which posits that the same physical laws and constants operate throughout the cosmos.

The idea that the fundamental laws of physics are consistent throughout the universe is supported by several lines of evidence:

1. Uniformity in Observations: Astronomical observations show that the same physical laws and constants apply across different regions of the universe1. For example, the behavior of stars, galaxies, and cosmic microwave background radiation aligns with our understanding of physics here on Earth1.
2. Cosmological Principle: This principle suggests that the universe is homogeneous and isotropic on large scales, meaning it looks the same in all directions and from all locations1. This supports the idea that the same physical laws apply everywhere.
3. Particle Physics Experiments: Experiments in particle physics, such as those conducted at the Large Hadron Collider, consistently confirm the same fundamental particles and forces, regardless of where the experiments are conducted.
4. General Relativity and Special Relativity: Einstein's theories of relativity, which have been confirmed by numerous experiments, imply that the laws of physics are the same in all inertial reference frames and across the universe2.

NOW, show me what you have to suggest that there are variations in different parts of the Universe? Esp. to show that GRAVITY can be different. The planets do have a wobble effect on each other but gravity continues to be consistent anywhere in the universe. We are a part of a galaxy and gravity is consistent everywhere in our galaxy.

Gravity is one of those fundamental forces that’s pretty consistent across our galaxy, and even beyond. The laws of gravity, as described by Einstein's theory of General Relativity, apply universally. This is why the same principles that govern the motion of planets in our solar system also apply to galaxies far, far away.

 

[Diamond72]

That's a broad statement.. what science do you refer to that closely matches the Bible? Christians and Atheists debate that a lot.

They do debate that a lot. The atheists and skeptics try to show that God is not Just. As Christians we know that God's justice is very exact and very precise. Even Christians debate and believe that God can break His own laws, which He can not. God can not contradict Himself. He can not lie, cheat, steal or do anything contrary to His nature and who He is.

My grandfather was one of them.

My dad was stationed in Germany right after the war ended. He was one of the first to go into the concentration camps. He want back 20 years later and he said he could still smell the burnt flesh. I think maybe it was just his mind playing tricks on him.

 

[Panthers]

Yes they are.

Their concern over a balloon from China was much greater than the notable lack of concern at a highly granulated still unidentifiable object that they claimed in a barely hidden mocking tone that it could be/was an e.t. but it exhibited only what could be described as a projected image that the pilots moved around as they flew through the air as a flying exercise.

And since then there has been nothing further about it. No announcements of government officials in America or from other countries indicating their concern of a possible e.t. invasion. No. All news is about normal earthly wars among human nations.
The space project of going to Mars still continues without any indication of concern that e.t's might be there .. (this next part comes from conspiracy theorists and/or sci-fi-movies) to do with them what horrors they would in retaliation of supposed death and medical dismemberment of previous ones unlucky enough to crash in area 51.

The whole thing of military air-flight exercises that claimed e.t. ufo's was no more than what amounts to an April fools trick that some e.t. believers are too quick to believe that it was valid.

I'm not going to accept a grainy pixelated distorted image as real.

No, how they fit is your imagination. The supposed Intelligent life from another planet in the universe is an evolutionary Atheist construction.
The Bible clearly states that life was created by God on this planet.. the Bible identifies all beings alive. None are those that supposedly exist on other planets that evolved without God as Atheists say we did.

That is what the Bible says that demons like. No water means no people inhabiting and therefore no people to work their evil through, depress, oppress or possess.

Ive personally watched a "UFO" with binoculars for 20 minutes.
I also read my Bible every day.
I know both to be true, and have accepted both as truth.

This has lead to a profound understanding of the universe and creation.

Tell me how UFOs have made life harder for you.
I want to understand why disbelievers think they are evil.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Ive personally watched a "UFO" with binoculars for 20 minutes.
I also read my Bible every day.
I know both to be true, and have accepted both as truth.

This has lead to a profound understanding of the universe and creation.

Tell me how UFOs have made life harder for you.
I want to understand why disbelievers think they are evil.

I've already given my reason in my previous posts, I won't repeat any of that for you here.

 

[Diamond72]

I want to understand why disbelievers think they are evil.

I want to know how they travel 5 light years to get here. Do they take enough food on their space ship to eat for the five years it takes to get here?

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Sean Carroll holds a Ph.D. in Astrophysics from Harvard University1. He also has a B.S. in Astronomy, Astrophysics, and Philosophy from Villanova University. Sean Carroll, a theoretical physicist and cosmologist, generally supports the idea that the laws of physics are consistent throughout the universe1.

So he-a theoretical physicist has to generally support the idea of consistency.

For all of his phd's, etc, he still doesn't know for sure. So why are you hammering at me when I don't agree?

In his book "The Big Picture," Carroll discusses how science can provide a comprehensive description of the universe, suggesting that the same fundamental laws apply everywhere2.

Again, he can only make suggestions about things. So the two of us could just as easily casually make statements of uncertainty that could earn us some phd's.

This perspective aligns with the principle of uniformity, which posits that the same physical laws and constants operate throughout the cosmos.

A posit is an assumption.. not a solid evidential fact.

The idea that the fundamental laws of physics are consistent throughout the universe is supported by several lines of evidence:

1. Uniformity in Observations: Astronomical observations show that the same physical laws and constants apply across different regions of the universe1. For example, the behavior of stars, galaxies, and cosmic microwave background radiation aligns with our understanding of physics here on Earth1.
2. Cosmological Principle: This principle suggests that the universe is homogeneous and isotropic on large scales, meaning it looks the same in all directions and from all locations1. This supports the idea that the same physical laws apply everywhere.
3. Particle Physics Experiments: Experiments in particle physics, such as those conducted at the Large Hadron Collider, consistently confirm the same fundamental particles and forces, regardless of where the experiments are conducted.

I find it difficult to believe that they'd know how it would be at other planets when they haven't actually been there.

An example: Due to evolutionary ideas NASA thought that the moon's age was older than it is.. they thought that surface soil accumulation would be thicker/deeper than it actually turned out to be. It's clear that the kind of science bias that they use has inbuilt errors.

1. General Relativity and Special Relativity: Einstein's theories of relativity, which have been confirmed by numerous experiments, imply that the laws of physics are the same in all inertial reference frames and across the universe2.

I'll accept that Einstein's theories are more right than most other scientists.. he's a Jew so that gives him an automatic inspired knowledge of God.

NOW, show me what you have to suggest that there are variations in different parts of the Universe? Esp. to show that GRAVITY can be different. The planets do have a wobble effect on each other but gravity continues to be consistent anywhere in the universe. We are a part of a galaxy and gravity is consistent everywhere in our galaxy.

I don't have to go any further than the difference of gravity on the moon in comparison to the earth. The moon has less gravity than earth. This alone can suggest that such gravity differences are likely throughout the universe regarding every galaxy and solar systems. It would suggest that Mars has less than earth, but more than the moon. Or visa versa.

It's clear that the differences in gravities from one planet next to another is the reason for the wabbling effect. Just like two magnets can make each other jiggle if you will, when the resistance field of both are forced closer to each other.

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No. Your continuous statement that gravity is consistent everywhere in the universe is contradictory to the scientists assumptions that you've marginally quoted from.

Your statement is a product of your own "close enough means a definite" conclusion. That is how error and self deception is born.

Gravity is one of those fundamental forces that’s pretty consistent across our galaxy, and even beyond. The laws of gravity, as described by Einstein's theory of General Relativity, apply universally. This is why the same principles that govern the motion of planets in our solar system also apply to galaxies far, far away.

I already accept that the over all solar systems and galaxies have similarities due to the fact that God created them all. Just like all life on earth is variety yet all created by God.

I don't need the evolutionary bias of scientists to explain their assertions to me. They have developed or always had pride in their discovering and proving scientifically what I already figured out by believing what the Bible says.

 

[Diamond72]

So why are you hammering at me when I don't agree?

I simply answered your question by what authority I was saying what I was saying. DO you think I make this stuff up on own without doing the research and seeing what the experts have to say?

They have developed or always had pride in their discovering and proving scientifically what I already figured out by believing what the Bible says.

Yes, exactly, Science proves that the Bible is 100% true and accurate.

 

[Panthers]

I want to know how they travel 5 light years to get here. Do they take enough food on their space ship to eat for the five years it takes to get here?

The answer is then obvious; they are not organic.
Rather supreme machines sent from a supreme being.
Such a supreme being likely isn't organic either.
Most likely, ancient AI working in unicent with Alpha and Omega.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

I simply answered your question by what authority I was saying what I was saying. DO you think I make this stuff up on own without doing the research and seeing what the experts have to say?

You will have to judge yourself whether you make stuff up.. What I noticed in the given examples of so called authority was padded by you to be uncertainties and assumptions.

Yes, exactly, Science proves that the Bible is 100% true and accurate.

But, only Christian-scientists will admit it. I didn't bring them into the discussion very much but unless my memory is wrong, you didn't bring them into the discussion at all.

I'm now endeavoring to stay away from speaking in less-than meritorious expressions about non-Christian scientists because they are very helpful when the topics are neutral and not God-related concerning many provable things, but now returning to the OP, imo cosmic science observably and unfortunately more than not slips into sci-fi when it comes to the area of ufo's.

In earlier years the scientific position is that- (the following is excerpted from a science article) "For decades ..UFOs have often come to be dismissed by scientists as the province of wackos and thus unworthy of study. The term UFO has a smirk factor to it.."

I'm old enough to have lived for decades associating ufo's in that way. There's nothing in scripture to convince me otherwise.

So ends my interest in continuing further with this days long discussathon.

 

[Diamond72]

cosmic science observably and unfortunately more than not slips into sci-fi when it comes to the area of ufo's.

My point remains the same. We can not travel faster than the speed of light. The Universe could be full of life but we do not have any contact with them. I tend to think of Heaven as being a planet. The Bible talks about Chariots of fire. So perhaps a good place to start would be to make an attempt to understand that.

"Chariots of fire" is a powerful biblical image. It appears prominently in the story of the prophet Elisha. In 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah is taken up to heaven in a whirlwind by a chariot of fire with horses of fire. Also, in 2 Kings 6:17, Elisha’s servant has his eyes opened by God to see the hills filled with horses and chariots of fire, symbolizing divine protection.

The "wheel within a wheel" imagery comes from Ezekiel's vision in the Bible, specifically in Ezekiel 1:15-21. Ezekiel describes seeing four living creatures, each with wheels that have another wheel intersecting them. These wheels are often interpreted as representing the complex, interconnected, and divine nature of God's plan and presence. They symbolize movement and the omnipresence of God, indicating that His influence and power are pervasive and all-encompassing.

 

[timf]

Perhaps stars as so far apart to keep us from messing with each other.

When the movie Close Encounters came out I was puzzled as to why they had some French guy in it. I later learned that there was a famous French guy who had investigated a lot of UFO encounters and the film included the character as a sort of "tip of the hat".

I was informed that the real French guy was not a Christian and was himself puzzled in his research as to why so many encounters resulted in people being told that the bible was not true or that Jesus did not die for sins. A Christian would understand such encounters to be demonic. However, for those who reject Christianity, they are left with the UFO narrative.

 

[bniffty24]

Are UFOs Biblical...?
Could be. Satan prince of the power of the air , to which some have said means the air ways , television and radio.
Problem is there were no televisions or radios back then when it was said.

Chariots of fire ?......well we know horses and chariots can't fly , unless we still believe that Santa and his reindeer can.
And of course there are many more possibilities , just depends on what a person want's to believe or not believe.

Some say that star that led those guys to the house where the child Jesus was living was a UFO from Satan. And the dragon stood before the woman ready to devour her child.

And of course outside of the Bible there are so many stories , abductions , sightings , and scare events etc. Way too many for it to be a nothing burger.

 

[David Lamb]

Are UFOs Biblical...?
Could be. Satan prince of the power of the air , to which some have said means the air ways , television and radio.
Problem is there were no televisions or radios back then when it was said.

Chariots of fire ?......well we know horses and chariots can't fly , unless we still believe that Santa and his reindeer can.
And of course there are many more possibilities , just depends on what a person want's to believe or not believe.

Some say that star that led those guys to the house where the child Jesus was living was a UFO from Satan. And the dragon stood before the woman ready to devour her child.

And of course outside of the Bible there are so many stories , abductions , sightings , and scare events etc. Way too many for it to be a nothing burger.

But UFO stands for "Unidentified Flying Object." The chariot that took Elijah from the earth is called a chariot, and the object in the sky that led the wise men from Jerusalem to Bethlehem is called a star. The dragon that stood before the woman in Revelation 12:4 was in a vision.

 

[Diamond72]

Are UFOs Biblical...?

You would have to use worm holes and they are guarded by angels. The Jody Foster movie: "Contact" is about traveling to different planets in the universe. Even then they talk about other dimensions.

With current technology, the speeds we can achieve for human travel are still quite limited compared to the vast distances of space. Here's a rundown of some of the fastest speeds we can reach today:

Current Fastest Speeds:​

• Aircraft: The fastest manned aircraft, the North American X-15, reached speeds of up to 4,520 miles per hour (7,274 kilometers per hour), which is about Mach 6.7.

 

[bniffty24]

and the object in the sky that led the wise men from Jerusalem to Bethlehem is called a star.

Hi David. The men who saw Jesus in Bethlehem when he was born was the jewish shepherds after being told of his birth by the angel Gabriel.
When the wise men showed up , Herod had determined that Jesus would be around 2 yrs of age by then , and thats why we see them visiting Jesus as a child living in a house , and not as a baby in a barn.

Jesus was circumcised in Jerusalem at 8 days old and it says they went back to their home town of Nazareth.
Im not sure why some churches continue to use the wise men in the nativity scene , but they do.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

My point remains the same. We can not travel faster than the speed of light. The Universe could be full of life but we do not have any contact with them. I tend to think of Heaven as being a planet. The Bible talks about Chariots of fire. So perhaps a good place to start would be to make an attempt to understand that.

"Chariots of fire" is a powerful biblical image. It appears prominently in the story of the prophet Elisha. In 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah is taken up to heaven in a whirlwind by a chariot of fire with horses of fire. Also, in 2 Kings 6:17, Elisha’s servant has his eyes opened by God to see the hills filled with horses and chariots of fire, symbolizing divine protection.

The "wheel within a wheel" imagery comes from Ezekiel's vision in the Bible, specifically in Ezekiel 1:15-21. Ezekiel describes seeing four living creatures, each with wheels that have another wheel intersecting them. These wheels are often interpreted as representing the complex, interconnected, and divine nature of God's plan and presence. They symbolize movement and the omnipresence of God, indicating that His influence and power are pervasive and all-encompassing.

Ans. 11/16/24: My first thought is.. what does that have to do with sci-fi? And, my second thought, how can what the Bible describes of God's angelic mode of transportations have to do with ours? God has yet to say "And some day these will be yours to use anytime!"

It looks like with both cases- et's and angelic, neither of them will be ours. Humans can't survive in spaceships that travel faster than light.. even if we did get the free and unconditional technology from friendly and helpful et's. .. or from God's angels.

The warp-drive of startrek is less than tsol. Likewise the fastest spaceship speeds of the A-wing @ 1,300 kph in starwars. The stargate dealt with great distance travel, by foot or by puddlejumpers. [funny name ]. The dial n flush method was humorous to say the least.

And, really?.. the greys being called "Asgard". Just add another 's' and it's hilarious.
All entertaining scifi, but that is as far as it goes.

 

[Diamond72]

Ans. 11/16/24: My first thought is.. what does that have to do with sci-fi?

Like I said the movie contact is science fiction and it is all about worm holes. Carl Sagon was the host of a PBS program. He is a well respected man of science.

Wormholes:

• Concept: Theoretical passages through space-time, potentially allowing travel between distant points in the universe instantly.
• Function: A shortcut through the fabric of space-time, bypassing the conventional distances and barriers.
• Theory: Based on solutions to the equations of General Relativity, though not yet proven to exist.

In Carl Sagan's novel "Contact," the concept of wormholes is central to the plot. The protagonist, Eleanor Arroway, travels through a series of wormholes as part of her journey. Sagan uses wormholes to explore themes of space travel, the vastness of the universe, and the possibility of communication with extraterrestrial civilizations.

The theoretical foundation for wormholes comes from General Relativity and the work of physicists like Kip Thorne. Thorne, a friend and collaborator of Sagan, helped develop the idea of traversable wormholes in the novel.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Like I said the movie contact is science fiction and it is all about worm holes. Carl Sagon was the host of a PBS program. He is a well respected man of science.

I already mentioned startrek aliens and the Stargate wormholes in my previous post so why go on about what's already been covered?

Do you know anything about the Nephalim/Nefalim of Genesis 6? I've heard from Christians who state it as fact in these modern times.

Wormholes:

• Concept: Theoretical passages through space-time, potentially allowing travel between distant points in the universe instantly.
• Function: A shortcut through the fabric of space-time, bypassing the conventional distances and barriers.
• Theory: Based on solutions to the equations of General Relativity, though not yet proven to exist.

In Carl Sagan's novel "Contact," the concept of wormholes is central to the plot. The protagonist, Eleanor Arroway, travels through a series of wormholes as part of her journey. Sagan uses wormholes to explore themes of space travel, the vastness of the universe, and the possibility of communication with extraterrestrial civilizations.

The theoretical foundation for wormholes comes from General Relativity and the work of physicists like Kip Thorne. Thorne, a friend and collaborator of Sagan, helped develop the idea of traversable wormholes in the novel.

Have you forgotten that you've already mentioned in your posts to me of evolution-scientists and their unprovable theories. So again: there's nothing to prove what Sagon claimed. It's all sci-fi entertainment. Not science. One wonders why the so called serious scientists bother with such fairytales and expect anyone to take them seriously.

 

[Diamond72]

Do you know anything about the Nephalim/Nefalim of Genesis 6? I've heard from Christians who state it as fact in these modern times.

They are the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of humans." Basically, the descendants of Seth intermarried with the descendants of Cain, and God was not happy with that. We see in Rev that God has kept 144,000 pure onto Himself. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes or descendants of Israel.

 

[Diamond72]

imed. It's all sci-fi entertainment. Not science. One wonders why the so called serious scientists bother with such fairytales and expect anyone to take them seriously.

I think the word you want is imagination. Imagination and science are deeply intertwined, with imagination playing a crucial role in scientific discovery and innovation. Gen 8 21 says " the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth;"

The word fairytales is not in the Bible.