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UFO's - Biblical?

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How could He take His earthly body to Heaven?
In an alternate inorganic body.

Luke 24:50-51 Acts 1:9-11 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 Philippians 3:20-21

His inorganic body existed before the foundation of the earth.
John 1:1-3 Colossians 1:16-17 Psalm 90:2 Proverbs 8:23-27
 
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I believe there is life on other planets in the universe. But as we see in the moving Contact with Jodi Foster the only way to travel from here to there or there to here is through worm holes. The angels watch over the worm holes and they decide who who can travel through them. Just like Jesus is the door or the gate keeper.

Aliens would not be allowed to interfere with life here on Earth.
Clearly there is plenty of interference's with life on earth already, all demons need is a cooperative person to do their bidding.

The Bible is truth. Movies are not truth. Wormholes are hypothetical, not reality. etia's do not exist. Wormhole-guarding angels are your own imagination that is based on sci-fi notions.
The Bible says of angels that they are ministering spirits sent forth to guard us here on earth. Every believer has an angel that accompanies us at all times. None are out in space unless believers go out there.
 
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Wormhole-guarding angels are your own imagination
What difference does that make? Did you know that HALF of the books in the library are fiction? Do you think we should burn all of those books because they are just the product of the imagination.

The Bible does address this exact issue. Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". \

It is clear that I use my imagination for good or at me age God would have destroyed me.

In Psalm 90 10 Moses tells us: "Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures; yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away."

I am 72, so if my imagination was evil or wicked then I would not have lived past 70. Although long life mostly has to do with eating the right food and living right.

Anyways, I should tell you that EvoDevo tells us that the laws are the same everywhere in the Universe. So if there were life anywhere in the universe it would be a lot like life here on Earth. (Sean Carroll) Or maybe you just think that evolution is a product of our imagination like everything else. Do you believe we live in a virtual world? Is this all a part of the matrix?
 
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What difference does that make? Did you know that HALF of the books in the library are fiction?
I used the word sci-fi, doesn't that tell you that I have an experiencial grasp of the genre?
Do you think we should burn all of those books because they are just the product of the imagination.
No I don't. You misjudge me.. I've spent a certain part of my childhood, through some highschool years reading library books. I've watched sci-fi, and some anime, and I've written some fictional stories that remain unfinished.

Concerning the op, I don't use movie plots to form my interpretations concerning Biblical issues. I keep the fiction and the Bible as separate as possible.
The Bible does address this exact issue. Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". \
You brought up that verse, not me. But I think that you have reacted as if I did use it to condemn all that is fictional, your personal attachment to it is quite telling.
It is clear that I use my imagination for good or at me age God would have destroyed me.
Any sinner once saved could look back at their wayward life and say that.
In Psalm 90 10 Moses tells us: "Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures; yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away."

I am 72, so if my imagination was evil or wicked then I would not have lived past 70. Although long life mostly has to do with eating the right food and living right.
Psalm 90 is what the generation that came out of Egypt said after God said that their unbelief keeps them from going into the promised land. The age of 70 is not like the end of life as happened in the movie "Logan's Run" where upon reaching age 30 the people were killed in an elaborate way so as not to scare the onlookers that when they reached 30 they'd die that way too. It was made into a grand event akin to the Biblical rapture. After the movie's success they made a tv series out of it. I watched what I think may have been every episode but I don't remember any of them now.

So you see that I'm familiar with fiction.
Anyways, I should tell you that EvoDevo tells us that the laws are the same everywhere in the Universe. So if there were life anywhere in the universe it would be a lot like life here on Earth.
There's no guarantee of that. Every planet is different in distance from a heat source, in atmosphere, in measure of land to water if any, there are irregular weather differences, and none of them show signs of plant, animal, or humanoid life.

They'd all have to be terreformed to accomodate human life when humans get out there. Just think of all that would be required for the Mars program to make it even marginally habitable. It will probably take years and a lot of money and supplies for humans to be living inside large terrarriums. Like living in a camper while building a house.
(Sean Carroll) Or maybe you just think that evolution is a product of our imagination like everything else. Do you believe we live in a virtual world? Is this all a part of the matrix?
I don't know Sean Carroll so the mention does nothing.. Looking him up. All that he knows is based on evolution. His popularity and rewards are temporary and don't keep him from an ultimate unpleasant destination.

I would call evolution capable of imagination in that they believe in immediate materiality in the magical sense yet they expect people to take it seriously in a scientific sense. It's all formulated to explain away the need of a Creator who's highly moral and intelligent beyond any of them.

The entire idea of intelligent life elsewhere that would be more advanced than humans on earth is evolutionary in that intelligence always goes from animalistic to increasing upward so as to be beyond us. Yet the atheists still don't accept a higly intelligent Creator God who created everything. The denial is spiritual not intellectual.

Do you believe we live in a virtual world?

I should think that it would have been obvious that I don't. But I can be entertained by a fiction of living in a virtual world but it's only capable with man-made computers programed by humans. Making that programmer a kind of god of that virtual world. But how can that be compared with God Created reality?

There are some movies that depict such a virtual world.. the "Tron" movie where a man in the real world was cubed and sucked into the computer but didn't become an NPC but instead having authority over the programming that was greater than the nemesis programmer.

In some ways it's evolutionary that the atheists create or make their own world then insert themselves into it as the rulers of the whole thing. In the sense that all world rulers have been ungodly.

I saw the Tron movie in a Biblical sense in that God created the world then sent His Son Jesus to be the Savior of it and help all of the misprogramed people to get deprogramed and reprogramed according to the original programming.

Is this all a part of the matrix?

Again, it should be obvious that I don't think that. But apparently that is the only way that you choose to communicate.
I can be entertained by the fictional movie "Matrix" that is a new version of Tron, based on Jewish concepts of things with unique fictional interpretation.
Neo was similar to a Jewish Messiah in that only he could defeat the computer based controllers. The one who taught Neo was similar to Moses. The difference of a computer provided fictional life of sin and luxury (Eygpt) while a free from computer control life (Israel) is there for anyone to see.

Perhaps the Matrix is meant to convey-- life is what you make it. Your choice, pick the red or the (green or blue) pill.
 
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Well, I am not sure what my thoughts are on UFOs. If there are any ships that appear in the sky, those ships might be top secret military planes instead of spacecraft. If UFOs are not of Earth origin, they might be of alien origin. However, there is not enough information to confirm nor deny the existence of extraterrestrial spacecraft, or whether the aliens are peaceful or have sinister plans.

I believe that God created the world and space (Genesis), so that means He has the capability of creating other planets outside of our solar system. Scientists already discovered thousands of planets outside of our solar system, known as exoplanets. Exoplanets orbit other stars, and are many light years away from our own star. Whether God placed life on other planets, the Bible does not specify anything about alien life.

If humanity does somehow meet intelligent alien life, once scientists/linguists understand the aliens' language, we should try to tell them about Jesus Christ in an understanding way (not forced), so that the aliens may be saved. Also, that would make a very good premise for a Christian sci-fi TV show. We should pitch this to Hollywood or an indie movie studio.

Mark 16:15-16 (NKJV): "And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Of course there is evidence of ufos

11 As they were walking along and talking, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them, and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 12 As Elisha was watching, he was crying out, “Avi! Avi! The chariot of Israel and its horsemen!” Then he saw him no more. So he took hold of his own clothes and tore them in two pieces.

What do you think angels are? They are not from earth.
 
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I don't use movie plots to form my interpretations concerning Biblical issues.
I mostly got that from Neil Degrasse Tyson. He claims that there is no scientific evidence that we are not a simulation. This is clearly not a scientific theory with evidence.
There's no guarantee of that. Every planet is different in distance from a heat source, in atmosphere, in measure of land to water if any, there are irregular weather differences, and none of them show signs of plant, animal, or humanoid life.
God can create a Earth like atmosphere on Mars. The main difference is going to be gravity. Of course you can not duplicate the conditions here on Earth. The size of our sun, the distance from the sun, the size of earth, the spin rate based on the dance the earth and moon. Still I think atmosphere can go a long way to creating earth like conditions here on Earth.

I don't know Sean Carroll
This goes back to before Stephen Jay Gould died. Two popular selling books at the time were Carroll and Gould.
  • Sean Carroll: Believes genetic changes are the main drivers of how life evolves. If you look at genes, you’ll understand how evolution happens.
  • Stephen Jay Gould: Thinks that evolution isn’t just about genetics. He argues that different factors and random events can lead to very different outcomes if we started evolution over again.
So, Carroll focuses on a more predictable genetic path, while Gould highlights the unpredictable nature of evolution due to various influences.

I think there is a lot that can be said for the fact that Gould died young from cancer which for me means he was in conflict with himself. Sean Carroll is still very much alive and is a professor at John Hopkins. My bother teaches there also. Although Gould, along with Niles Eldredge, proposed the theory of punctuated equilibrium.

Niles Eldredge was born on August 25, 1943, which makes him 81 years old. He continues to be active in his field as Curator Emeritus at the American Museum of Natural History.

It's impressive how he's maintained such a long and impactful career!

Elon Musk envisions Mars as humanity's first step toward becoming a multiplanetary species1. His company, SpaceX, aims to establish a self-sustaining colony on Mars2. Musk believes that by shuttling thousands of people between Earth and Mars within the next decade, Mars could eventually support a population of a million people by the 2060s3.

Although now Musk is talking about sending robots to Mars. I think his real goal is to harvest the precious elements from the asteroids. Some of those elements are worth a million dollars an ounce. My son did some work for NASA on a robot core sample tester. My guess is they can do more with robotics and not have to actually send people there.

If you do not think we could duplicate the conditions here on Earth then maybe you support Gould that life would evolve very different if the conditions were different. Only Gould took it a step to far by saying if you started all over again here on Earth life would turn out very different from the way it is now.
 
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But apparently that is the only way that you choose to communicate.
My mind tends to wonder and it is difficult for me to stay focused. My brother said I have always been that way.
 
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My mind tends to wonder and it is difficult for me to stay focused. My brother said I have always been that way.
I meant that you asked me if I believe conspiracy theories even though I clearly indicated that I don't in my previous post regarding etia's. Usually Those who don't believe in e.t's also don't believe c.t's either. Unless there is such a rare group that I haven't come across.
 
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I meant that you asked me if I believe conspiracy theories even though I clearly indicated that I don't in my previous post regarding etia's. Usually Those who don't believe in e.t's also don't believe c.t's either. Unless there is such a rare group that I haven't come across.
UFO's are not a conspiracy theory. The United States government already acknowledges their existence.
How they fit into the Bible, is your question; and they fit in rather nicely.
Especially when you understand they like water.
 
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Usually Those who don't believe in e.t's also don't believe c.t's either.
Spielberg's works, particularly E.T. and Jurassic Park, resonate with universal themes like wonder, discovery, and the unknown—elements that are deeply rooted in human experience. These themes might indeed tap into what Carl Jung would call the "collective unconscious," a set of shared memories and ideas that transcend cultures and generations. Spielberg's ability to touch on these primal emotions could explain why his films are so universally appealing.
 
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UFO's are not a conspiracy theory. The United States government already acknowledges their existence.
"UFO" stands for Unidentified Flying Object. It refers to any aerial phenomenon that cannot be immediately identified or explained. It is usually associated with drinking a bit to much or too much swamp gas.
 
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I mostly got that from Neil Degrasse Tyson. He claims that there is no scientific evidence that we are not a simulation. This is clearly not a scientific theory with evidence.
Being in a simulation is a conspiracy theory that has no evidence. It's just as much pretense as any sci-fi movie.
God can create a Earth like atmosphere on Mars. The main difference is going to be gravity.
God could eventually terraform Mars to have the same environment as earth, then He'd also make the gravity be the same. Unless He'd want humans to invent technology suitable to live there as is. Just like we do here on earth.

This goes back to before Stephen Jay Gould died. Two popular selling books at the time were Carroll and Gould.
  • Sean Carroll: Believes genetic changes are the main drivers of how life evolves. If you look at genes, you’ll understand how evolution happens.
  • Stephen Jay Gould: Thinks that evolution isn’t just about genetics. He argues that different factors and random events can lead to very different outcomes if we started evolution over again.
What they believe is according to their own evolution model and not according to the truth from the Bible.
So, Carroll focuses on a more predictable genetic path, while Gould highlights the unpredictable nature of evolution due to various influences.

I think there is a lot that can be said for the fact that Gould died young from cancer which for me means he was in conflict with himself. Sean Carroll is still very much alive and is a professor at John Hopkins. My bother teaches there also. Although Gould, along with Niles Eldredge, proposed the theory of punctuated equilibrium.

Niles Eldredge was born on August 25, 1943, which makes him 81 years old. He continues to be active in his field as Curator Emeritus at the American Museum of Natural History.

It's impressive how he's maintained such a long and impactful career!
All of that elevates them, it doesn't change any of the truth from the Bible.
Elon Musk envisions Mars as humanity's first step toward becoming a multiplanetary species1. His company, SpaceX, aims to establish a self-sustaining colony on Mars2. Musk believes that by shuttling thousands of people between Earth and Mars within the next decade, Mars could eventually support a population of a million people by the 2060s3.
That would be in line with what I believe that God has plans for humans to do for eternity.. to launch out and populate/terreform each suitable planet in the universe. And make use of so many planets and Galaxies out there. The way that a gardener has a small spot on their property to grow foods then also has plans to plow the big field and plant crops that lies fallow.
Although now Musk is talking about sending robots to Mars. I think his real goal is to harvest the precious elements from the asteroids. Some of those elements are worth a million dollars an ounce. My son did some work for NASA on a robot core sample tester. My guess is they can do more with robotics and not have to actually send people there.
The more technology you invent.. the more likely something will go wrong with it. Like battery powered cars for instance. All it would take to make problems with Musks idea is a secretly opposing person to reprogram the robots to destroy everything there. [like was done on the movie "Lost in Space"] Or some other programming issue would cause serious problems [like the movie "Space Odyssey"]
If you do not think we could duplicate the conditions here on Earth then maybe you support Gould that life would evolve very different if the conditions were different.
I support the truth in and of the Bible, not evolution based science and those who come up with ideas to rearrange dna in an attempt to make a better human. God is the only one who can do that.
Only Gould took it a step to far by saying if you started all over again here on Earth life would turn out very different from the way it is now.
Would Gould be referring to what God did in Genesis 1-2? And what Revelation says of God's plans of a New Heaven and New Earth? Man cannot do what only God can do.
 
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Spielberg's works, particularly E.T. and Jurassic Park, resonate with universal themes like wonder, discovery, and the unknown—elements that are deeply rooted in human experience. These themes might indeed tap into what Carl Jung would call the "collective unconscious," a set of shared memories and ideas that transcend cultures and generations. Spielberg's ability to touch on these primal emotions could explain why his films are so universally appealing.
Those movies are strictly for entertainment and financial increase to Spielberg. Of course they have to be appealing or he won't get a good financial increase. Just compare them with the kind of movies that are being made now. There's the saying going around, "Get woke, go broke".
 
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There's the saying going around, "Get woke, go broke".
I miss the WW2 Vets. Their attitude is that they would die for your right to your opinion. Even if they do not agree with you. Needless to say that attitude died with them. For me if my choice is woke or broke I will go broke. The woke people just want to drag as many people down with them.

Romans 1:32: "Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." It drives home the point that both engaging in and endorsing immoral actions are equally condemned.
 
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He'd also make the gravity be the same.
He can not make the gravity to be the same. Are you one of those people who believe that God can contradict Himself and break His own laws? There is a lot God can not do. He an not lie, cheat, steal and so on. He has to be consistent with Himself and who He is.
What they believe is according to their own evolution model and not according to the truth from the Bible.
There is no contradiction between Science and the Bible.
All of that elevates them, it doesn't change any of the truth from the Bible.
People will do whatever it takes to stuff money in their pocket. There are very few honest people in that regard.
populate/terreform each suitable planet in the universe.
There are people who believe all the planets should have life on them. That does not mean it will be exactly as it is on the Earth.
All it would take to make problems with Musks idea is a secretly opposing person to reprogram the robots to destroy everything there.
We have that exact situation now. Musk and Gates are heavily invested in AI. AI is turning out to be a lot better than I thought it would. Yet there are more scams now than ever. Science can be used for good or evil. I personally would like to see an end to wars. I do not see where it does anyone any good.
not evolution based science
Evolution is mathematically not possible. But it is the best they can do to explain the evidence.
Would Gould be referring to what God did in Genesis 1-2?
Yes and for me that is why He is not alive anymore. He can not spread that nonsense.
 
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The bible doesn't teach that there are UFO's (material flying objects). It also does not teach demons can manifest themselves as material objects.

Some people say ... and even some in government and/or the military say they have seen them and/or actually have physical evidence of such.

As a Christian ...

What do you believe about the existence of UFO's and why?

If you believe UFO's (material spaceships) is true .... how do you reconcile that with scripture?

What do you believe in this regard?
Well if we believe in Gods word then there can't be aliens like conscious human on another planet because then God has another planet to deal with as far as sin and the fall of conscious beings is concerned. Being conscious means being able to know God. Then Christ has to go and die on that planet and the bible says Christ died once and for all.

So if there are alians they are not conscious beings and I don't think that is possible. To achieve intelligence to build space ships that can fly billions of miles requires consciousness. Even by the materialistic explanations that such complexity produces consciousness as an epiphenomena supports this.

So therefore aliens must be some spiritual manifestation if there are such things as aliens. This would make sense for Satan as to be able to have such great power that it amazes and fools people like its magic then an advanced alien tech would be perfect. He could come in all his glory performing miracles like saviour god sent from the stars somewhere.

But I am not sure alians are real yet. Its always someone who knows someone and never 1st hand and direct. But it makes sense also that perhaps human advanced tech such as some sort of quantum discovery or something is responsible.

It could be that aliens and all the mystery and beliefs in some super advanced being is our own making. Satan is using us to fool ourselves through our own tech. Our tech is advancing fast and it seems we are the ones creating what is happening like a self fulling prophesy. It may be that we create the alien through Ai and it is that which becomes the copy cat humans who fool us and take over lol. .

Once again perfect for Satan. Even better as its down from within without people even realising it. By the time they realise its too late as people are some immerced in virtual artifical reality they cannot live without it.
 
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UFO's are not a conspiracy theory.
Yes they are.
The United States government already acknowledges their existence.
Their concern over a balloon from China was much greater than the notable lack of concern at a highly granulated still unidentifiable object that they claimed in a barely hidden mocking tone that it could be/was an e.t. but it exhibited only what could be described as a projected image that the pilots moved around as they flew through the air as a flying exercise.

And since then there has been nothing further about it. No announcements of government officials in America or from other countries indicating their concern of a possible e.t. invasion. No. All news is about normal earthly wars among human nations.
The space project of going to Mars still continues without any indication of concern that e.t's might be there .. (this next part comes from conspiracy theorists and/or sci-fi-movies) to do with them what horrors they would in retaliation of supposed death and medical dismemberment of previous ones unlucky enough to crash in area 51.

The whole thing of military air-flight exercises that claimed e.t. ufo's was no more than what amounts to an April fools trick that some e.t. believers are too quick to believe that it was valid.

I'm not going to accept a grainy pixelated distorted image as real.
How they fit into the Bible, is your question; and they fit in rather nicely.
No, how they fit is your imagination. The supposed Intelligent life from another planet in the universe is an evolutionary Atheist construction.
The Bible clearly states that life was created by God on this planet.. the Bible identifies all beings alive. None are those that supposedly exist on other planets that evolved without God as Atheists say we did.
Especially when you understand they like water.
That is what the Bible says that demons like. No water means no people inhabiting and therefore no people to work their evil through, depress, oppress or possess.
 
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He can not make the gravity to be the same. Are you one of those people who believe that God can contradict Himself and break His own laws? There is a lot God can not do. He an not lie, cheat, steal and so on. He has to be consistent with Himself and who He is.
I did provide an alternative. However God's laws are specifically for this earth. Who are you to think that God doesn't also have laws to cause the law of gravity on other planet's if He sends humans there to inhabit it with similar earth environment?
There is no contradiction between Science and the Bible.
That's a broad statement.. what science do you refer to that closely matches the Bible? Christians and Atheists debate that a lot.
People will do whatever it takes to stuff money in their pocket. There are very few honest people in that regard.
What does that have to do with this topic?
There are people who believe all the planets should have life on them. That does not mean it will be exactly as it is on the Earth.
Most people who don't believe there is a God say that.
We have that exact situation now. Musk and Gates are heavily invested in AI. AI is turning out to be a lot better than I thought it would.
Musk and Gates have opposing ideals. The AI will only be as good and beneficial as the people in charge who decide it's uses.
Yet there are more scams now than ever. Science can be used for good or evil. I personally would like to see an end to wars. I do not see where it does anyone any good.
Yeah. There's a song that begins "War!, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!" But that was the Vietnam War which was no good. Except to give the military something to do. And create traumatized, disabled and many dead American soldiers who likely would have won if the same military hadn't secretly provided the same weapons to the Vietnam fighters and claimed that other nations provided it. You can count that a conspiracy theory if such deliberate sabotage for the sheer sake of war-mongering bothers you.
Evolution is mathematically not possible. But it is the best they can do to explain the evidence.
Not mathematically possible? .. That ought to be all that is needed to eliminate the evilutionary theory from existing everywhere. And, it also eliminates any claimed truth of e.t.i.a's. But you probably didn't think of that.
Yes and for me that is why He is not alive anymore. He can not spread that nonsense.
But he has disciples that unfortunately still do.
 
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I miss the WW2 Vets.
My grandfather was one of them.
Their attitude is that they would die for your right to your opinion. Even if they do not agree with you. Needless to say that attitude died with them.
That was at a time when honor and national patriotism was high. Over the decades there has been a slow then recently a sharp obvious decline although it's been / then \ over the past 8 years. Many are wanting another /.
For me if my choice is woke or broke I will go broke. The woke people just want to drag as many people down with them.
The thing is not to choose woke so you don't go broke. Those who have chosen it have lost something along the way. The resulting evidence can be applied to anyone about anything. Before you make choices, count the cost.
Romans 1:32: "Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." It drives home the point that both engaging in and endorsing immoral actions are equally condemned.
 
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