Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes

[David Lamb]

No they are not they are 33 degree Freemasons.

But as you so often do, you just state this without giving any evidence that what you say is right.

 

[Apple Sky]

But as you so often do, you just state this without giving any evidence that what you say is right.

Sigh!

 

[prodromos]

Show ...........

Don't be lazy. Go back and read your own links. Perhaps if you actually read the sources you link to, you wouldn't make so many false statements.

 

[Strong in Him]

To show how the supposed astro-nots were nearly all 33 degree masons.

Nearly all. So you agree that they weren't all Freemasons?
You were told that 2 of them were Christians. You claimed that they weren't.
How do you know? You don't know who all the astronauts were - you "couldn't be bothered" to check them out.

I don't think you do.

I've been quoting your own words - which are illogical.

i) In order to prove that Buzz Aldrin was a Freemason you quote an article which says that he was the first Freemason on the moon. I doubt you'll find an article/YouTube clip which talks about Buzz apart from the moon landings because that is what he is known for. Buzz Aldrin went to, and walked on, the moon. This is, in fact, the second link that you have given which speaks of his time on the moon - while insisting that he never went to the moon.
That would be like me providing a map to show whereabouts in Wales you live, and denying that there is such a place as Wales.
ii)You said that nearly all were Freemasons. The two who were Christians were probably the exceptions.
iii) You don't even know which of the 12 astronauts who walked on the moon were Christian, yet you have constantly rejected their testimonies and denied their faith.
iv) You seem to think that if someone is a Freemason they must be wrong, and lying, about everything. So the claim "we walked on the moon" is automatically dismissed because it might have been a Freemason who said it. You also fail to understand that some atheists might feel like that about you; "Jesus is alive? A flat earther told us that; it's obviously not true then because FE-ers don't know what they are talking about."
v) You once quoted an article which was written by Freemasons because "on this occasion, they have got it right."
vi) Thousands of those involved in the moon landings were not Freemasons.

 

[Strong in Him]

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More proof that Buzz Aldrin went to the moon.

Have you got any feet left to shoot yourself in?

 

[Apple Sky]

More proof that Buzz Aldrin went to the moon.

Have you got any feet left to shoot yourself in?

Yeah here they are again fooling the public again, one thing this picture dose prove is that it's all a masonic farce.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yeah here they are again fooling the public again, one thing this picture dose prove is that it's all a masonic farce.

Yet you continue to post them - photos which show that Buzz was a Freemason also show that he went to the moon. You can't expect us to believe your photos showing that Buzz was the first Freemason on the moon if you then say "well, of course, he never went to the moon."
All the articles and YouTube clips about Buzz mention his time on the moon. That is what he did; that is what he is known for.

 

[David Lamb]

Yeah here they are again fooling the public again, one thing this picture dose prove is that it's all a masonic farce.

It doesn't prove that at all. If anything, it shows that Buzz Aldrin was a mason. It doesn't say that all twelve men who claim to have been to the moon were masons, or that all the other people involved in the moon landings were masons. Nor does it show that the moon landing claims were part of a Masonic farce. That would be like saying, "Apple Sky is Welsh. Apple sky believes in a flat earth. The idea of a flat earth is a Welsh farce."

 

[Apple Sky]

Nearly all. So you agree that they weren't all Freemasons?
You were told that 2 of them were Christians. You claimed that they weren't.
How do you know? You don't know who all the astronauts were - you "couldn't be bothered" to check them out.

I've been quoting your own words - which are illogical.

i) In order to prove that Buzz Aldrin was a Freemason you quote an article which says that he was the first Freemason on the moon. I doubt you'll find an article/YouTube clip which talks about Buzz apart from the moon landings because that is what he is known for. Buzz Aldrin went to, and walked on, the moon. This is, in fact, the second link that you have given which speaks of his time on the moon - while insisting that he never went to the moon.
That would be like me providing a map to show whereabouts in Wales you live, and denying that there is such a place as Wales.
ii)You said that nearly all were Freemasons. The two who were Christians were probably the exceptions.
iii) You don't even know which of the 12 astronauts who walked on the moon were Christian, yet you have constantly rejected their testimonies and denied their faith.
iv) You seem to think that if someone is a Freemason they must be wrong, and lying, about everything. So the claim "we walked on the moon" is automatically dismissed because it might have been a Freemason who said it. You also fail to understand that some atheists might feel like that about you; "Jesus is alive? A flat earther told us that; it's obviously not true then because FE-ers don't know what they are talking about."
v) You once quoted an article which was written by Freemasons because "on this occasion, they have got it right."
vi) Thousands of those involved in the moon landings were not Freemasons.

All my links were to show who were the Masons.

 

[Apple Sky]

All the articles and YouTube clips about Buzz mention his time on the moon. That is what he did; that is what he is known for.

 

[Strong in Him]

All my links were to show who were the Masons.

And they all said that this person/these people went to the moon.

They were Masons; so what? You're a flat-earther but even you must be right about some things.

 

[Strong in Him]

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But you are the one who keeps posting these "lies"!

You don't seem to understand.
You cannot provide an article about Buzz and say, in effect, "this article proves he was a Freemason; the society is proud that he was the first Freemason on the moon", then say "by the way the bit about going to the moon is a lie" and expect us to believe you.
If someone accepts your article, they accept everything; that Buzz was both a Freemason AND that he walked on the moon. If they don't believe he walked on the moon they would reject the whole article. It can't be partly correct and partly a lie.

If an atheist told you that Jesus was a great teacher and they accepted his teachings but then said, "but I don't believe that he was from God, or the Messiah" you would probably say "in that case you don't really believe his teachings because that is what he taught." If a person accepts and believes in Jesus, they believe everything about him - which includes that he didn't tell lies.
It's the same principle.

 

[Apple Sky]

They were Masons; so what?

I can't believe you just said this 'so what', you are obviously not clued up about them.

 

[Apple Sky]

You don't seem to understand.

No you are the one who doesn't understand.

 

[Strong in Him]

I can't believe you just said this 'so what', you are obviously not clued up about them.

Of course I am.
If we were talking about the Christian faith and you had said that Freemasons are believers, I would obviously have disagreed and would not have said "so what?"

But we're not.
We are talking about whether a well-documented event - experienced and watched by many - ever happened. Personal beliefs do not come into that at all.
Either Buzz, and ALL the other astronauts, were lying about having walked on the moon - taken flags and photographs, collected moon rock, and so on - or they weren't. They could believe that Andy Pandy was real and should run for President for all I care. None of that affects the fact that they walked on the moon - or didn't.

 

[Strong in Him]

No you are the one who doesn't understand.

Yet you can't explain it or answer my previous post.

 

[prodromos]

You can't can you ?

Of course I can, but apparently you can't. No surprises there.

 

[prodromos]

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This is what Apple Sky is known for.

 

[Apple Sky]

Of course I am.
If we were talking about the Christian faith and you had said that Freemasons are believers, I would obviously have disagreed and would not have said "so what?"

But we're not.
We are talking about whether a well-documented event - experienced and watched by many - ever happened. Personal beliefs do not come into that at all.
Either Buzz, and ALL the other astronauts, were lying about having walked on the moon - taken flags and photographs, collected moon rock, and so on - or they weren't. They could believe that Andy Pandy was real and should run for President for all I care. None of that affects the fact that they walked on the moon - or didn't.

Know your enemy.

14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it. 15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Mathew 7:14

 

[Strong in Him]

Know your enemy.

You're not answering my questions and points - either deliberately or otherwise.

Being a Freemason does not mean that a person lies about everything else. Personal beliefs do not change whether or not something has happened.
You believe the earth is flat. That is not true but that doesn't mean that you are wrong about everything else as well.
You are also a Christian - and that is absolutely true. Believing that the earth is flat, square, a triangle or made of chocolate has nothing to do with the fact that Jesus died and rose again. So you, and all of us, can be mistaken about something and yet, in other areas, be correct and truthful.

All the articles you quoted about Buzz being a Freemason show only that he was a Freemason. They do not prove that he never went to the moon - in fact, they all say otherwise.
All the articles you quoted about Buzz being a Freemason do not prove that 2 of the astronauts were not Christians. You have produced no evidence for this latter claim and, when challenged, can only repeat that Buzz was a Freemason. Thus making the assumption that a) they all were and b) that someone who is a Freemason is wrong about everything else too.

You are a Flat-earther and live in Wales.
You wouldn't like it if someone said to you "flat earth is nonsense, therefore we can't believe anything Apple Sky says, therefore we cannot believe that Christianity is true." Or "oh we can't believe anything the Welsh say - therefore Apple Sky is wrong about Jesus rising from the dead."

But that is what YOU are saying; "Buzz was a Freemason so is obviously lying about the moon."
That statement is untrue, unkind and completely illogical.